George Zimmerman’s heroic car crash rescue appears to be a fraud

[PSPS]

George Zimmerman’s heroic car crash rescue appears to be a fraud

This was a suspicious story from the beginning.

We have seen news reports of protesters doing thousands of dollars of damage to be wrong. The claims of separate attacks by protesters over the Zimmerman verdict turned out to be false. Now added to the list of false news reports appears to be the story of George Zimmerman heroically rescuing a family of four from a burning SUV.

The initial report was that George Zimmerman was ‘just coincidentally’ driving by after a car accident occurred, that he leaped out of his vehicle to come to the rescue of the family of four trapped inside as the vehicle caught fire, pulling them to safety. That was followed by the claim that the family he rescued had planned a press event to thank George Zimmerman, but that they canceled due to threats from Trayvon Martin supporters.

It appears they may have canceled the event because they did not want to be part of the fraud of making Zimmerman out to be a hero, when that story was not precisely true.

More: http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/

[Berlum]

1. Fraud. How Republican is that?

Sheesh

[Lugnut]

2. I'm shocked!

Not.

[Blue Owl]

3. A sloppy Zimbo photo opp gone wrong

[Beartracks]

4. Who plans a press event to thank their rescuer?

Or was there only a "claim" that they were going to do a press event, so that the "claim" could also be made that the event had to be cancelled because of "claimed" threats from Martin supporters....?

Sorry, I haven't been following this story, so I'm just asking.



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[Brother Buzz]

10. Who plans a press event to thank their rescuer in the rescues lawyer's office?

Odd venue

[Skittles]

5. the people who believed this story

are the same ones who believe NRA propaganda - gullible paranoid nitwits

[Chaco Dundee]

18. sad but true

Those people believe in santa clause and that egglaying easterbunny as well.you can't really blame them for that.

[Fumesucker]

6. There was an OP calling skeptics "Birther Like" the other day over this

Hmmmm.. Could Corvidae be on the menu?

[Curmudgeoness]

19. Ah, an ornithologist.

I love when posters speak my language....not that I am an ornithologist, but I play one on TV.

[Fumesucker]

77. You might enjoy this

The Ugly Chickens

It's rather ornithological.

[Curmudgeoness]

100. I enjoyed it very much.

Thanks. I especially liked Snuffo, the god of extinction.

[vaberella]

59. I remember that post. n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

7. Well, knock me over with a feather. Who would have thought. . .

I think we all smelled a rat when that story first broke.

[sakabatou]

8. "I'm shocked! Shocked that there's gambling in this establishment!"

[SummerSnow]

101. "Your winnings sir"........"Thank you very much"

Sorry I couldn't resist .

[sakabatou]

109. I know

[asjr]

9. When we see Georgie boy leap tall buildings

in a single bound we may change our minds about his "bravery".

[ShadowLiberal]

11. I never clicked on the story in the first place, didn't want to give them page views spreading a lie

I never read the story in the first place, to avoid giving page views to anyone running such an obvious lie.

Not having read the story before I figured the way Zimmerman seemed to be at the right place at the right time was probably something more like Zimmerman following an ambulance around for a few hours until it pulled over to rescue someone, and then "OMG look Zimmerman's here to help the ambulance". Which I thought just screamed "I'm really desperate to get some good PR for Obama's justice department won't prosecute my ass for hate crimes".

Getting a call from a first responder to show up also makes sense, and makes Zimmerman look even worse then I thought. And then just happening to show up with a fire extinguisher in your car, really? Who carries a fire extinguisher around in their car?

[notadmblnd]

14. According to the article- here's what happened.

What did occur was that an accident occurred where a car slid on it’s side into a median. People at the scene called 911, which went to the Sanford office of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office. BEFORE responding to the 911 call, News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero. News Ball.com also provides a social media screen capture of a curious statement about Rehder taking pleasure when someone gets credit for something they did not do.

Rehder’s name appears on the accident report as the responding officer; social media shows his connection to Zimmerman.

There were plenty of people driving by who witnessed the accident, and stopped to help the family out of the vehicle, BEFORE Zimmerman showed up, according to the 911 calls, but no ‘thank you’ press conference mentioning anyone else by name specifically was scheduled by the family, and no mention of anyone other than Zimmerman was made by the sheriff.

Zimmerman showed up AFTER he was called by a SCSO member according to a report at News Ball.com, Zimmerman then got out of his car with a fire extinguisher, and apparently left without doing anything especially heroic. You can hear the course of events here in the 911 calls; many people who were there as the accident happened stopped to get people out, and the fire and smoke problem from the calls, appeared some time after they were out of the car. As you can hear from the calls, people were out before there was a smoke or fire problem; Zimmerman did not appear to risk his life to pull anyone out of a burning car, as was claimed. :

http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/

[Curmudgeoness]

20. I also paid no attention to this story

because I immediately thought it was a big show of nothing, but I am still shocked at the truth. Calling Zimmerman before responding to the scene is beyond belief.

[notadmblnd]

24. It certainly shows their level of thinking

Which is not very sophisticated if they thought no one would seek to verify their story. If there's anything I hate more than a liar, it's a bad liar.

[freshwest]

21. Is Officer Patrick Rehder still ripping off the taxpayers as a LEO? Needs a PR job with the NRA.

[Cha]

26. It would seem his job as zimmerman's PR stunt man is

Over.

[freshwest]

28. Is there another link? It's not in the OP link. Nice comment, 'welfare junkies.' No bias there, no!!

[JI7]

30. how much does that guy weigh ? defense claimed Zimmerman was weak, that a skinny kid

was able to beat him up and this was when zimmerman was in better shape.

but now we are supposed to believe the out of shape zimmerman is able to lift vehicles and pull guys like that one ?

[shanen]

64. Would you attack a much bigger and older guy than you?

Actually the thing that bothers me about Zimmerman's version (well, that version out of his various versions) is the idea that a little kid would turn around and attack a much bigger and older guy. It's not impossible, but I feel like there had to be some significant provocation or something like being cornered.

If Trayvon Martin had been prone to get in fistfights or had any sort of record of such aggressive behavior, then I'm sure it would have been brought out in the trial. I know it wasn't simply because it was never cited by the rightwing loons on Faux. All they could say was that Trayvon dressed funny, taking the hoody in the dangerous sense of funny.

I don't actually think Zimmerman got away with murder because I think he's too stupid for that. I'm convinced he did get away with manslaughter, and probably assault, too, since I'm pretty sure that Zimmerman started it. That's the part of the REAL story I was hoping might come out in the trial. If Trayvon had been charged with battery, then I think he is the one who could have claimed self defense--but under Florida law, unsuccessful self defense just doesn't count.

[anneboleyn]

36. I can't believe that Officer Rehder isn't being disciplined for this

If what we think to be true IS true (and it does look very suspicious indeed), then that officer should be penalized for using his position, and a car accident involving a third party innocent of all to do with Zimmerman and his supporters, as this behavior is very, very inappropriate for a police officer ffs. I can't believe the audacity of this -- and I notice that the story has totally fallen out of the media. Nobody in the media seems to be following up on the story --wonder why? (sarcasm)

[bluestate10]

48. If the report about Zimmerman rescuing people proves to be false and the officer was involved

in the fraud, the officer should be fired.

[Pelican]

56. The reason...

... is that the only person telling the story is an online blog with a hatred for Zimmerman.

The whole story hinges on an "unnamed Family member" that they coerced into revealing that the Officer made a call or a text, they aren't sure, to someone named George around the time of the accident.

No photos, no actual phone records.. Just some guy on the internet...

[R B Garr]

58. Then is there another verified explanation as to how George arrived at the scene?

I see it's easy to discount a connection between the officer and Zimmerman, yet George was allegedly there at the scene.

Another alleged connection was the officer's Facebook page that showed he is a supporter of Zimmerman. I don't think all this came from just one disgruntled Zimmerman blogger, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Pelican]

61. Every story I have seen links to the same blog at "Newsball"...

... which is just a blog for an anti-Zimmerman guy.

I don't know what you mean by verified explanation as to how he got there.

How would you verify that he was just driving by. Anyone that is associated with Zimmerman would be dismissed as part of the "conspiracy" to include the police.

[R B Garr]

62. Okay, that's the first I've seen that he was just driving by

I've only seen that he was listening to a police scanner.

[Pelican]

65. According to who?

Which news agency reported that Zimmerman was listening to the police scanner and rushed to the site of the accident?

[R B Garr]

66. I have not seen any news agency reports of how Zimmerman arrived at the scene

You seemed to know the chronology, so I responded to your post.

If it matters, this site was the first I saw about the Zimmerman heroics. Now it seems you're saying this is all based on one other blogger's dislike of Zimmerman. Either way, it seems rather bizarre that George Zimmerman and one of his supporters on the police department arrive at the scene of an accident together with George just driving by. Odd all the way around.

[HangOnKids]

70. No photos, no actual phone records.. Just some guy on the internet...

Sounds just like you!

[Pelican]

71. Sounds like all of us....

Except I'm not trying to pretend play reporter...

[HangOnKids]

72. No it doesn't sound like all of "us"

But thanks for the feeble explanation.

[Pelican]

74. Yes, I'm sure your deep thoughts on an internet message board...

... will have wide and resounding effects on policy and the socio-political structure of the 1st world.

Not at all like the other 1000s of people.

You're special...

[HangOnKids]

75. Sorry you are distracted Pel

But grab the clue phone, because this thread has nothing to do with effects on policy and the socio-political structure of the 1st world. But thanks for saying I'm special, it matters to me a great deal what you think.

[Pelican]

81. At least you're happy...

I'm glad you've got at least one thing going for you...

[HangOnKids]

113. Thanks again Pel

I feel so sad that you are not happy. I'm sure you have something going for you too.

[Beartracks]

122. So as before: He's just a legend/hero in his own mind.

Delusions of being Rambo, Captain America, and Judge Dredd, all at once.

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[hrmjustin]

12. I wonder who he will save this coming week.

[SummerSnow]

102. Lois Lane

[hrmjustin]

103. I heard he is working on world peace and on climate change. What a guy!

[Mr.Bill]

13. Even if he did help people out of a wrecked car,

so what? I've done it several times. No big deal, no heroism required.

[Igel]

37. So what?

Well, it must mean something and somebody must get something out of all the threads about it.

It was a non-story. It didn't make the media for 5 days. The family involved pulled out of the spotlight as much as possible. Only after a bit of furor was a press conference scheduled--and then, in the midst of more furor, the family bailed leaving O'Mara.

But things had already gone crazy with a schizoid public. One side wanted to paint GZ as a hero. That's just uncalled for. "So what?" is the right response.

The other side continued to demonize him.

The side that wants to demonize GZ insists it's only out for the truth. Which is why websites have tracked down everything--every possible detail, past and present--of the family involved, accusing them of lying, being involved in the staging. Some have said that without a photograph of the crashed vehicle they won't believe there was a crash. The 911 calls and police report apparently don't count. They're all liars. Frauds. And the justification is that they're not innocent, so any trashing that the "investigators" do of that family, whatever stalking, is actually GZ's fault. (Handy, tha absolute denial of personal responsibility for their own actions. The devil made them do it. Or perhaps the family deserves it, the lying racists. Proof they're lying racists? They're GZ supporters. A website said so.)

But those who think there was a crash--with a foot in reality--are stuck with asking, How? So then one site claimed to have the policeman's phone records and say that he called GZ. Another said he texted GZ. That they were buddies. And anything the policeman had said, even days before the accident, were relevant to this particular event. Again, we're into character assassination. But again, the only person being investigated is GZ.

"Police scanner" isn't enough. There must be a conspiracy involving dozens.

There's some deep psychological need being met here. Ain't healthy.

[SunSeeker]

15. K & R

[Kingofalldems]

16. His DU pals already prepping a diversionary response

[HangOnKids]

73. Look upthread

It is quite amusing!

[romantico]

17. Um

Didn't Mark O'Mara appear on Piers Morgan's show talking about how this was typical George Zimmerman and how he was a hero? Wasn't a press conference set up by Zimmerman's lawyer? They HAD TO HAVE KNOWN this was all bullshit. I sure hope the 'liberal media' reports on this latest development.I should email this to Piers Morgan in hopes he does a follow up.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

22. Zimmer Man didn't come to the rescue? What will he do with his cape and leotards, and

the the shirt with the big "Z" on it?

Maybe the Zimmer Man story is a lie because nowhere in the story does it say he started a fight with an unarmed black kid, began to lose because he's a pussy, then took out his manhood extender than blew the kid away. This story is about "saving" people, and Zimmer Man can't do that. . .he only knows how to save him. . .from justice.

Fuck George Zimmerman and anyone that supports that asshat!

[elehhhhna]

87. I mIGHT be inclined to believe this IF it was revealed that

GZ ran the family off the road, then "rescued" them. Too bad he forgot to use his lifesaving skills on TM.

[Cha]

23. So, those calling us "birther" like because we were

damn skeptical of zimmer man will now apologized for the birther reference?

[notadmblnd]

25. A bit of advice. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to apologize

even if they listen to the 911 calls, they won't believe their lying ears.

[Cha]

27. Okay

[JI7]

29. how can anyone believe what he says after claiming to get his head slammed 30 times

with nothing to show for it.

[Cha]

31. That's what I want to know? they must have believed

Z in the first place.. and we're the birthers.

The polls are with us..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023352473#post46

[JI7]

32. was glad to see how unpopular zimmerman was

and that his supporters truly are a fringe .

but i guess this is why they had fake a hero story. to try to improve his image.

[Cha]

33. that's their mentality.. republicon fake.

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[ZombieHorde]

39. I never compared this to being a birther, but this isn't exactly evidence of anything.

The article establishes a motive for one police officer, but that doesn't prove anything.

Again, I have never compared crashers to birthers.

[Cha]

40. And, I said .. those who were using the "birther" reference.

I think the article establishes quite a lot. zimmerman didn't do shit.

[ZombieHorde]

43. Maybe. nt

[Bonx]

52. But it's not a news article. It's just some blog post.

[Cha]

53. who did research.. and "news outlets" don't always get it right.

nor do they give rats ass about exposing those who support zimmerman as bullshitters.

[penultimate]

93. The problem with this guys research is that a lot of it comes from unnamed sources

and he is often times wrong with a lot of his claims. He does correct them when it's proven he is wrong, but if so many facts are later deemed incorrect, I find it difficult to trust much of everything else he says. It's just with this blog posting either, but in his other ones too. I highly recommend you read some of the other things on his site and some of crap that revolves around the author of that blog.

I wouldn't take much of anything he says at face value, even if it does make a compelling read at times. Some of his conclusions don't really make much logical sense either. He also isn't a news reporter at all, nor does he act like one. He is a blogger and he tackles stories as a blogger with personal opinions and agendas (as opposed simply doing research and reporting it) For example, he was on facebook arguing with girl and her family after he wrongfully said she was arrested for being involved in a murder. He the proceeded to comment about how she's guilty and it's just a matter of time before she is finally arrested. That's fine for a regular blogger, but not the behavior of a journalist who can be trusted (in my opinion)

[cthulu2016]

41. If you believe insane, moronic things you are like a birther. And if you

do not, then you are not like a birther.

It's precious to cobble together some "us" to rally around, but meaningless unless you are defining who "us" is.

If "us" is people who maintain the accident was staged, then "us" is exactly like the birthers.

If "us" is people who were skeptical that the thing was as heroic as painted, that was and remains common sense.

So who is this "us" you're talking about? Insane morons who were called "like birthers" on account of being insane morons, or a group of people who were not called "like birthers" because they were not making extraordinary and baseless claims?

[Chemisse]

34. I think there are a lot of assumptions being made here

I could care less if Zimmerman helped people out of their car (now it's said to have been burning?) after an accident. I don't care if it is true or not true; it changes nothing. He is still a violent racist.

But I must say, if I had been in that car and was suddenly the focus of a nationwide, tornadic frenzy of anger and hurt and gun-loving racism, I would cancel that press conference and leave town!

So I don't think the cancelling of the victim statements to the media is in any way evidence of the whole story being fake.

[MoonRiver]

35. Low life right wing scumbag gets away with murder.

What else is new. Nothing to see, move along.

[ChiciB1]

38. BOLO, BOLO... A Somewhat Rotund Male Running

around the east coast of Florida looking to become engaged with any and/or all citizens looking to be in distress. This man is known to be packing a concealed weapon so all precaution should be taken if said person is cited. Immediately call Sanford Police Department or a lawyer who goes by the name of O'Mara. They will be extremely helpful and will make sure that a news bulletin is issued to the public for maximum coverage.

Said individual may exhibit narcissistic and grandiose delusions of self importance. Given his past interactions, mostly with people of color, it would be wise to avoid contact or risk serious danger or even death.

Further updates will be released should they be needed.

[Recursion]

42. I still don't see any evidence the story was wrong

Do you have any you can share?

[anneboleyn]

44. Ashley Todd, Morton Downey Jr. -- remember them?

Ashley Todd was the McCain campaign worker who claimed that a "black man" assaulted her, while saying something about Obama, and carving a backwards "B" into her face, during the 2008 campaign. The Freepers went ballistic, and the media made it a breaking-news type of story with huge initial coverage (especially on Fox). Then very quickly her story began to fall apart, and the police turned against her when surveillance tapes, etc. disproved her story.

Downey Jr., just as his late 80s "shock talk" race-baiting show began declining in the ratings, claimed that he had been attacked by a gang of skinheads in SFO. (He had a swastika backwards on his face --like Ashley Todd's "B&quot . His story also got a huge amount of attention as the Geraldo-led "skinhead craze" was still big at the time. Later persons close to Downey Jr. admitted what had been long suspected -- that the alcohol and drug-addled Downey Jr. had faked the incident for sympathy and ratings.

So some of us are wondering about this incident. It certainly has some very strange elements. The media has gone strangely silent on the matter. Initially the story featured prominently on Fox -- but now silence. Rather odd.

[Cha]

45. Mahalo for the link, PSPS.. it's quite a thorough debunking

of zimmer man's alleged "heroism".. and yet.. there are those who refused to give up on their man zimmer.

What the fook ever.

[bluestate10]

46. Every authority figure in that county should be investigated by the Justice Department.

Something is rotten in that county.

[NealK]

47. It's a Bird...It's a Plane...It's

[CatWoman]

49. LOL

Where all the Zimmer Bots at?

[Bonx]

51. Super-Obsesman ?

[rl6214]

50. You got anything more than a blog to support this?

[Pelican]

54. The whole story hinges on the phone/text call between the Officer and Zimmerman

1) How does an organization like "newsball" have access to the private records of a cell phone belonging to the Officer? They aren't shown and it's claimed that they were gained "online."

2) How do they know that it's Zimmerman's number

3) Why don't they know if it was a phone call or a text?

http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

Found their explanation.

UPDATE 7/26: Explanation of our information: After deep digging & gradual convincing, a family member of Officer Patrick Rehder’s became a source by hoping to extinguish this situation once & for all so that the scrutiny & chaos surrounding the individuals involved would stop. They envisioned having to go into hiding like George Zimmerman if someone did not answer to the conspiracies & skepticism. The family member confirmed in a phone call that they saw a text call log with the name “George” associated with it, time stamped 5:51PM eastern. Family member also confirmed phone records show a series of calls prior to 7/17 between the Officer & the same number labelled “George” in the phone.

IOW, an unnamed family member supposedly saw the Officer's phone records to a person named "George" around the time of the accident but wasn't sure if it was a call or text.

*yawn*

[R B Garr]

60. So there is no valid explanation as to how Zimmerman arrived at the scene

The closest thing to an explanation is that Zimmerman was listening to a police scanner. If that's true, he apparently thought he was more important than Sanford's first responders. Instead of fire trucks and paramedics, George and his pickup are there at the ready.

So many oddities...

[penultimate]

92. There is another valid explanation though...

He could have just been driving by and saw the accident. We have as much evidence for that explanation as we do that he was actively listening to a police scanner for incidents to respond to. It could also very well be that he was driving near by and just had his scanner on for his listening pleasure (weird, but I know people who listen to scanners for fun) Then when he heard about the accident and his close proximity, he thought maybe he could use it to clean up his image a bit. That wouldn't surprise me one bit, given what we all learned about him during the trial. However, that's all speculation with nothing to back it up, and I don't think it's honest to say it's the only valid explanation. It very well could be that he did just happen to be in the area and the media always looking for a story made it look like he saved the day.

[Peaceplace80]

55. Wow

Imagine that, a psycho that gunned down a teenager would lie about saving someone. Things that make you go hmmmm.

[rdharma]

57. It's a bird, it's a plane, it's ........Zimmerman! Theme song

Check out theme song!

https://soundcloud.com/mike-in-raleigh/the-adventures-of-zimmerman

[JI7]

63. HAHAHHAHAH

what a fucking loser he is

you know the fucker was looking to be a hero when he went after trayvon also.

[LittleBlue]

67. This reminds me so much of the birthers

Posting obscure websites full of speculation as "proof".

[madrchsod]

68. stephanie miller called it as soon as it was first reported

her and the mooks had a great deal of fun with the story

[hfojvt]

69. funny thing about this story

and maybe it is just me.

I clicked on that story and it mentions a couple reports by a newsball dot com. So I click on those links and a screen pops up on my computer from McAfee Site Advisor and says "woah, suspicious site. Are you sure you want to go there?"

Maybe that is just me, like I said, Maybe I have some strange settings on my anti-virus software. Or maybe it is just one of those things, like the sites I use at work that always give these "I would not go there warnings" and I go there anyway and things are just fine.

Or maybe the source of this story really is some b.s. blog site putting out b.s. stories that are a suspicious as McAfee says they are.

Of course, such stories will never be doubted by those who already believed what the stories confirm.

But if the first story can be b.s., then why can't the supposed debunking story be b.s.?

The bottom line seems to be that even if Zimmerman really did risk his life to save a dozen orphans from a burning building some people would still think he was the illegitimate grandson of Hitler and Ilse Koch

[NealK]

79. The bottom line is that Zimmerman Killed a kid and got away with murder.

[hfojvt]

80. well my own bottom line

is that Zimmerman got attacked by a juvenile, defended himself and has now had his life ruined by people who want to flog this story for their own gain, starting with lawyers for the Martin family.

You know who got away with murder?

The guy who killed Ranisha Jones (and shot a baby too, along with killing the baby's father and aunt Ranisha).
The guy who killed Jalisa Reed.
and so far, the guy who killed Ramon Thomas.

They got away with murder. All of those victims are black. The first two are younger than Trayvon.

Jalisa Reed was 16 years old. She was shot and killed on March 16, 2012.
Ranisha Jones was 16, killed on March 5, 2012.

There are no stories naming the people who killed those girls. They have not had to go through the trial. Nobody is making death threats against them. Nobody is online calling them racist lying sacks of excrement. Now THAT is getting away with murder.

Although, for all I know, Ramon Thomas could be the one who killed one of those girls, Maybe that is why the 31 year old was gunned down recently in his own front yard in broad daylight (or also, maybe not, probably not) by "two heavyset black men" who, so far, also seem to have gotten away with murder. But maybe those two men will never be named as his killer, will never goto trial, but instead will just be killed within a year and show up as two more black 'victims' of homicide in the KC metro area.

[CatWoman]

110. you, like other Zimmer bots, sure leave a lot out

you are Pelican's Ostrich.

[hfojvt]

114. my post is already twenty times longer than yours

I should have included more?

And why should I be Pelican's anything? I have been here 9 years to his/her less than one. I have 31,000 posts to his 1,000.

[CatWoman]

115. I was referring to the Zimmerman part, which is the primary subject of this thread

I know nothing about nor wish to comment about the other herring issues you posted about.

I feel people who believe that self defense senario have other motives -- like the first juror who came forward.

BS aside, if my son or grandson was being followed by some freak in the darkened rain, I should hope IF HE IS ACCOSTED, he should fight back as well.

There are lots of freaks out there. And too many victims in the cemetaries.

[hfojvt]

118. but I was replying to a post about "getting away with murder"

certainly those people are not in the news as being on trial. They seem to have gotten away with murder. Unlike Zimmerman who seems likely to have to spend the rest of his life in hiding unless he moves to rural Idaho/Montana, where they probably don't like hispanics either. (with apologies to those from Idaho and Montana, but both places are seemingly more isolated and more white).

I would never want somebody to fight "BACK" if they are merely ACCOSTED, which my dictionary defines as "approach and speak to, especially boldly".

There are lots of freaks out there, but there are even more decent people who do not deserve to be attacked just because of your fear/paranoia. If you are afraid - run, and call 911.

[PSPS]

120. You left out this part: "If you are afraid-run and call 911. Then create confrontation and murder."

[Pelican]

83. How are the two events related?

[DesertFlower]

78. thought he was hiding.

[B Calm]

82. K&R

[Babel_17]

84. The original source is newsball.com

http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

Anyone else disturbed by the following quote?

Still large reward for the 6 jurors names & pictures

We still need the public’s help in identifying the names of the six female jurors, especially the bully f the group Juror B37 who went on CNN hidden in darkness a few weeks ago basically admitting to being the leader who guilt tripped the hold out vote into not causing a hung jury & forcing them to wait it out until they all switched to not guilty. A lot of curious readers out there would like to see what they look like. Even with the interview of juror B29 “Maddy” who showed her face yesterday, it is not enough. We want her identity for our publication. Our freakishly OCD need to be thorough & complete extends to complete uncensored media. So if you know that your neighbor was one of them, send their name & pic in for a large reward. We aren’t expecting a family member to give them up. Read about each of them, see & hear their interviews HERE.

On another page, they post this.

In the meantime, we are still offering a large reward / researcher’s fee for the jurors names & pictures of the Zimmerman trial – with the most interest in obtaining the identity of Juror B37, who went on to bully & force the jurors who voted guilty to change it to not guilty. The signs were there – she manipulated her way on to the jury in the first place:

Having all the facts we're entitled to is one thing, what the jury as a whole is being subjected to, in part, by newsball is not what our system of trial by jury is supposed to be about. The attitude expressed by newsball isn't anything new to my ears but I remember that style of demagoguery usually coming from right wing sources.

It's a useful form of messaging, if that's the way one wants to go. But, perhaps by ingrained reflex, my hackles go up when I'm exposed to it.

[Pelican]

85. How the mighty have fallen...

I remember back when the Newsball media empire really stood for solid journalism....

[penultimate]

88. The guy behind newsball is kinda sleazy from what I've seen...

While I'm no fan of Zimmerman and I find the whole rescue thing a bit funny smelling, some of the leaps this guy at newsball made question a lot of his conclusions. A lot of unnamed sources (many which later turn out to be wrong) and his methods leave a bad taste in my mouth. I read some of his other articles this morning and they left a similar feeling of distaste. I don't trust him or his conclusions at all. He might get some things right, but much of the shit he puts out there is garbage.

[Babel_17]

89. newsball

newball may end up exposing some fishy stuff with the story in question but that won't excuse their bounty on the personal information of the jurors. And that bounty speaks of their ethics and it raises other questions regarding their information gathering and the release thereof.

[penultimate]

91. I'm with ya 100% about the jurors....

Also, I'm not sure I agree with his conclusion that these people deleting their online profiles is indicative they are involved in some larger conspiracy. After all, the guy has been posting their personal details and pictures all over his blog. I'd do the same if I was in their shoes. Focus on Zimmerman and why he was there and if the cop gave assisted in making it look like Zimmerman helped when he didn't, but don't go posting accident victims personal photos and details.

[Babel_17]

94. Is newsball run by Cole Bartiromo?

I'm looking at this now.

[penultimate]

95. Yeah, that's him.

[Babel_17]

97. Well, his reputation has its detractors

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cole+Bartiromo+scam

[Babel_17]

99. The US Attorney who prosecuted Cole says "he has no empathy for his victims"

http://www.re-newsit.com/2013/07/a-sociopath-in-truest-form-cole.html

A Sociopath in the truest form, Cole Bartiromo - I've done a bit of research on this scumbag who released pictures of the family George Zimmerman rescued from an overturned SUV. He not only put up pictures of the two adults, he also posted MANY pictures of the small children as well. For obvious reasons I am not going to post a link. He tweeted the pictures to at least 1,000 people yesterday.

Well, the deal with the bounty for juror information and also with posting pictures of the family from the SUV certainly speaks to a questionable sense of responsibility. Though I think "sociopath" could easily be a large stretch. I'd lean towards seeing a numbness or a disconnect from the rest of society due to the impact of our modern culture. And that was then, he might be a different person these days.

But at the end of the day, imo, huge grains of salt need to be applied to his theories and unsubstantiated allegations.

[penultimate]

105. I didn't even realize this guys history until just now...

I suppose my instincts about him were right. Searching his name on here (DU), I see others brought up similar issues with his methods and ethics. I'm by no means a "zimmerman fan" either. Me looking at this guy with a WTF-eyes is based on him, not some motive to defend zimmerman.

[penultimate]

107. Blahahahahahha OMG.... This guy is a hoot...

http://dollarscholar.com/the-dd-sports-consulting-service/

I hate to continue to harp on this, but OMFG, I cannot believe what I just read there.

*face palm*

[rrneck]

90. Soooo....

We have unsubstantiated reports about a questionable act of heroism as reported by a "journalist" who won't tell us who they are.

[mstinamotorcity2]

96. Walk like a dog?

Bark like a dog? Okay its a Duck

[Sometimeswedrown]

98. I knew it was BS from just FOX news silence

I watched fox news most of the day soon after the story broke and it was only mentioned almost in passing. I knew right then if fox was not all over this as a way to pump up George Zimmerman it was fishy.

[louis-t]

106. So now fox news has scruples?

Since when?

[SummerSnow]

104. Just a disgrace that he continues to lie. He's a dangerous sick fool

[customerserviceguy]

108. If so

then why haven't we seen any investigative reporting from mainstream news sources? Are they part of the racist conspiracy to cover up Zimmerman's crimes?

[CatWoman]

111. LOL

CHICAGO!!!!!

[ksoze]

112. Our junior cub reporters on the roll again

Using blog posts as news sources. Let me know when this story is from more than the conspiracy theories of an unknown source. Until then it is just more diversion for those who look for a nugget of gold in a crap pile. Newsball? Please.

[kentuck]

116. But the way a lie works....

...is that if enough people read the first edition, they tend to believe it and move on if that is their inclination. Therefore, they never hear the correction or the facts after the initial story. So, to them, he is still a hero that saved the family. That is the work of a good propagandist and liar.

[dballance]

117. I think it's telling I didn't see this story on MSM

I didn't check FAUX news' site because I refuse to give them clicks. But this doesn't seem to have gotten play in the MSM.

[briankdinnj16]

119. It would not be surprising at all if the whole incident was set up

In order to improve that bastard Zimmerman's image to the public. Pathetic really.

[uppityperson]

121. +1, I agree?