Brutal Toon in the NYT: Greetings from flyover country
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we need anymore conservative Democrats. Liberal Democrats yes not Conservative. That's why shit is so F'd right now chief.
Post all the F'ing cartoons you want but a conservative democrat sounds like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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was just mentioning you C D's in another thread. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Upvoting, so far, it's just cathartic.
I was also mentioning how you C D's always want to down the POTUS we have. Yep, there's problems, but the flyover of flyovers, will never be forgotten by me, Katrina and I know that fucker could see the dead bodies floating in the water. What did he do when he landed? Went and played golf. Democans and rethuglicrats, all the same, whether here or at NYT
in exchange for bailing them out, or: Bonus thing he could have and should have done, and ironically one of the very few things he could have got truly bi-partisan support for, he could have simply let them fail. That would not only have been far better for Main Street, ti would have greatly strengthened his position on the rest of that first year.
Welcome to the dark side, we welcome their hatred, here.
I have an under-grad degree in Economic (and Political Science, too).
No, I never heard anything about the consequences immediately after the collapse relative, where "nothing on earth was moving, no thing. Container ships were simply holding station wherever they happened to be. The loading docks were full, warehouses full of perishables rotted, no iPads were leaving China and no cerium or neodymium was being mined to make more. The entire global economic machine stopped.
Yes ... I do insist that people back up their claims
So .... Your whole response is to attempt to insult me as you refuse to provide support for your claim ... and to make matters worst; you claim to have the information (from paid subscriber newsletter charging $1,000s, no less) but just won't give it because ... well ... "I don't have too. So there!"
That certainly won this stream and influences people!
And BTW, your referenceing 1,000s of dollars subscriber info, and your failure to mention Roubini ... after it was pointed out that he makes his money shorting the US economy, while advising others to short the US economy ... all while decrying your personal poverty, has not gone un-noticed ... my trolling friend.
As always ... give a troll long enough, they will lift their skirt.
have to come to this.
He made his choice to protect the wealthy from the people, instead of the people from the wealthy, at the beginning of his first administration, starting off by telling the bankers that "I am the only one between you and the pitchforks".
Had Obama's speech been to the people, that it was clear there needed to be an investigation, that he was staffing the FBI just like it was when they put the S&L crooks in jail, that he was directing resources into finding out what we needed to do to bring us into the next century instead of dying from the effects of the past one, we might have gone down a different path. Could have told us that because of their actions, these people who donated heavily to the D party, that things might get harder for awhile, that it might be scary, but that supporting criminals is not only un-American but unwise, and will lead us to an even worse disaster. (That, for many, is proving to be the case today). It's not like there wasn't a trainload of sensible, experience, reliable and knowledgeable people calling for him to do that. He chose to listen to others.
There were even models, FDR being one. He was no dictator, but made far different choices, with a different result.
One can argue that we needed to do that to "save" ourselves, but I question that, given that most people are not being saved, and are in a worse position than they might have been had we let the wealthy lose their ill-gotten gains and start from a lower position. The wealthy would be worse off, but they aren't the most important part of our economy, if today is any indication. By any objective measure life is becoming worse for too many Americans, something they are ill-prepared to deal with.
When he took office there were a million families a year being yanked out of their homes in foreclosures, businesses closing...he had plenty of people that would have stood with him, had he chosen to exploit it. And having been part of what I consider a noble profession, a community organizer, he certainly had the knowledge to do so. Hell, he had the podium and the ticket that gives community organizers wet dreams.
But he made different choices. (I personally think it's because he, or the people he listened to, didn't believe in "we the people", trust them, like one would need to be able to in order to take on such a challenge. Or maybe he just wasn't up to the task. Or perhaps the Reagan disaster scared populists too much after Carter, rightly, told everyone we needed to grow up and be responsible. But that's water under the bridge now, eh?)
So, today, finally, you are correct, especially if one leaves out the historical context. Which is perhaps good for one's ego, but millions of kids are still going to bed without food, parents without jobs and self-respect, and it didn't have to be this way.
But, you wanna see something really scary? (I borrowed that line from a movie. 
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Even the person with a good secure job today has to worry about the 200 people down the street in the neighborhood that don't have one, realizing that the continuation of that job is probably dependant on those neighbors getting better. They aren't. We are sliding toward a cliff.
In a similar vein, as this continues, and as bad as the Republithugs are, more and more disaffected people, people whose conditions ARE getting worse and more tenuous are created. But they are not like the groups that were always afflicted with or threatened by poverty, who really don't vote in great numbers.
These people are used to voting. And people who think conditions are getting worse are far more likely to vote for a change than they are to continue with the party in power.
So while you may be right, I am not sure how much comfort there is in it.
See you on the other side...
Americans, data which was on the front page of this very site today, as well as on scores of other sites using government and private data that supports it. Which is why I only partially agreed with that previous post.
But if that feeds what you need, great.
Use the bully pulpit, just don't give any speeches! So true!
Union Jobs and all the other benefits that a fair wage for a day's work brings.
Most these jobs are gone, replaced by robots and offshoring.
Still the town is a great place. Why? The people are the best.
Are there any economic or labor issues where you aren't antagonistic to blue collar people?
The auto bail out happend in 2009 and the campaign was a couple years later. That bailout saved 1,000,000 jobs and not just there but for all the folks working in the parts companies that are in surrounding states like Ohio. The problems with Detroit have been going on since the '70s. And if the President can't even get Congress to pass a budget, let alone any type of additional stimulus, what makes you think they will pump cash into a city?
Here's the guy you should ask. He holds the "power of the purse" (fact: President can't cut a check) -
Pick up the phone and ask the Speaker of the House when he will move some jobs bills. Here's the number -
http://www.speaker.gov/contact
Office of the Speaker H-232
The Capitol Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-0600
Fax: (202) 225-5117 - See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/contact#sthash.foUMlVRy.dpuf
Power is certainly being spoken to by a random post on an anonymous message board!
If anything, Obama is continuing disastrous Conservative economic policies brought forth by Ronald Reagan.
This cartoon is BULLSHIT!!!
But thanks for sharing!
Reality and recorded fact rears its ugly head and suddenly you're the problem, alternating with the old "he's helpless in the face of mean people" canard.
