PBS: The bogus high tech worker shortage.

[pnwmom]

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This should matter to everyone, high tech or not, because they try to convince the unemployed that it's their fault that they don't have the right training for "today's jobs" and that they need to pursue STEM degrees if they want jobs. But that's all a lie because those people are struggling, too.

I know of two newly-minted STEM PhD friends right now who are having trouble finding a job, and I knew a B.S.engineer who took a year.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/07/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-sho.html

Our analysis of the data finds that high-skill guest worker programs supply the preponderance of all new hires for the IT industry. The inflow of guest workers is equal to half of all IT hires each year and fully two-thirds of annual hires of workers younger than 30.

SNIP

At the same time, U.S. colleges are graduating more than twice as many science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) graduates than the number of STEM openings generated by our economy each year. In short, there is little justification to support the escalating numbers of new guest workers called for in the Senate's S744 legislation. Why then did it pass?

Today's guest worker programs target an important industry with a substantial hold on the public's imagination. But guest worker programs should be justified by national interests, not by the shortsighted interests of a particular industry. Proclaiming "shortages" where there is no evidence of them is not only disingenuous, it obscures the likely impact of large-scale guest worker programs, which stand to hurt all STEM grads, but especially minorities who are underrepresented in high-tech, as well as other foreign-born workers who compete most with newcomers. Can anyone argue that prioritizing access to good employment for high-skill domestic workers is not in the national interest?

SNIP

Yes, employers claim they have thousands of unfilled job openings, but the evidence is hardly compelling. Only about half of engineering graduates find engineering jobs, down from previous rates of about two-thirds before the current recession began in 2007. At the largest IT jobs website DICE.com, over half of the advertisements are for contract, short-term and part-time jobs -- assuming these jobs exist at all. (A recent Making Sen$e story suggested they well may not.) But even if they are available, these are not the types of jobs that U.S. graduates will find attractive, nor are they the types of jobs that will allow these graduates to pay off student loans, much less enter the middle class.

[Arctic Dave]

1. This scam has been going for too long.

Corporation are doing this with any high paying job as to create a glut of workers and then suppress wages.

It has moved from IT to all fields.

You are seeing this in the oilfields with DS and petroleum engineers.

BP has a "school" up here to train them instead hiring a degreed operator or engineer.

[SharonAnn]

30. I was so lucky to work in the IT field when it provided good jobs and the companies

Provided training for new technology as it was developed instead of throwing us out as technology changed and hiring new "guest" workers.

The field has changed so unbelievably that I can't recommend someone go into it now unless they really love it and don't mind about the lack of ever having true career opportunities.

There's just very little opportunity there and I don't see any coming in the future.

[Buns_of_Fire]

58. I was also fortunate to work in IT back in the good ol' days.

It was fun then, and an aptitude for making one of the damned things do what you wanted it to do (as opposed to what you told it to do) was a marketable skill to have.

Not so much, towards the end of my career. I remember an "educational" meeting with one of the "managers" about some new object-oriented language that the company had bought. "Unfortunately, it won't be available to the programmers and analysts," we were told. "Only managers will be using it."

In the feedback for the meeting, I wrote "Powerful package. What the hell are the managers going to use it for?"

I was gone, outsouced to Bangalore, within a year.

[think]

2. k&R

[hootinholler]

3. Not only does it hurt tech workers here

It also enables people to gain experience before taking work out of the US.

[pnwmom]

5. Yes -- people here train them so they can go back and outsource the jobs. n/t

[AnotherMcIntosh]

11. +1

[whttevrr]

4. Anyone know about the L.A. market?

I have CompTIA's A+, Network+, Security+, and am studying for my CCNA at the end of August. I've had better luck getting responses from Craigslist than Dice. Although, one guy started a phone interview by saying my Resume was weak, I was still offended by a $10 an hour offer. I just kept telling him that "I would not even consider such an insulting pay rate" over and over until he hung up.

Another person liked my written answers to their questionnaire. One of the questions was about a pond being covered by algae that doubled every day. If it was covered int 48 days when would it be half covered? Derp... Day 47... But Alas, I did not no what uname was... At least they were offering over $20 per hour. I'll be doing the Linux+ cert during the 2013/2014 winter break.

I do not think CompTIA(A+, Network+, Security+) certs are worth anything. But it seems to me that just knowing Linux basics makes one more marketable.

What do the tech guys here think a good starting wage would be for someone with limited hands on experience but has the CCNA and Linux+ certs?

[Egalitarian Thug]

6. Dice is almost as bad as Monster for scam positions. They're the go-to site for CYA ads to bring

in H-1(b)s, L-1s, etc. I can't give you a good number now for your skill set, but the industry in general pays less than half what it did 15 years ago. Cisco certs used ot be pretty good, but I see so many people with them now that I suspect they've evolved into just another revenue stream for training companies.

Linux will almost certainly land you a job (assuming you know your stuff), but it almost always pays less.

I always had the best luck working for consulting firms with 50 - 100 employees. They usually have established themselves in a lucrative niche and stay busy, but are small enough that grinding through a 50% annual employee turn over is not feasible. And finally, even if you are the right ethnicity, avoid the body shops like the plague. Not only will they steal from you with impunity, once they're on your resume you're permanently classified in the field.

[whttevrr]

7. Ahh... Dice = Monster

Yeah... that's what it felt like.

I just want to be a SysAdmin with a ballerina pole dancing girlfriend...

[Egalitarian Thug]

8. Well, you're certainly in the right city for it. All of my LA girlfriends were dancers, singers,

models, aerobic instructors, or actors. Is there a particular reason you want to go into IT?

[whttevrr]

9. The Power!!!

Muah ha ha ha

I know, I know, that comes from the cord that plugs into the wall thingy.

But, I've always done my own computer builds. It seems a lot easier than being a doctor. And... well... yeah... it's what I 'know' I can do. Plus, it seems like something that could afford me an opportunity to teach in my retirement years. Obviously I will need to get more schooling. But as a long term goal, computers and networking seems like an easier way for me to provide for myself and my family.

Plus, I want to know how that information gets from point A to Point B. I want to make sure it goes where it is supposed to go. And, I like figuring things out. I just read that senility is warded off by actively engaging the mind...

Oh and did I mention quantum computing!? This is something I would like to say some day: "We need to upgrade the quantum processors." That will be a cool day.

[whttevrr]

10. Quantum Computing...

Right now it is in it's infancy... and I have no hope of understanding the difference between 2 bit machine language of 1's and 0's and what 8, 10, maybe 11 bits of 1's, 0's, X's, Ʊ's, Y's, Ý's, Z's, Ƶ's, Ø's, Ɵ's, and... Ǧ's ? Might turn out to be, but I'm sure someone is going to be needed to implement these things. Might as well be me... I'm probably going to try to figure it out anyway. Might as well get paid for it... right?

[Egalitarian Thug]

43. LOL! ok, got it.

Good luck to you. Let us know how it goes.

[pnwmom]

25. What's a body shop?

I have a son who's majoring in C.S.

[hootinholler]

28. An IT industry temp agency

Assignments last from 3 months to a year or so.

I wouldn't say stay entirely away from them, but to have your eyes open going in to the gig. Like any business some are more reputable than others.

[Egalitarian Thug]

45. Particularly, WiPro and Infosys (in LA). Notorious Indian Companies and if they're on your

resume, your career is basically over. You can look forward to bottom of the pile grunt work, when you can find it.

[hootinholler]

50. Good to know

I'm in the DC market and a gray beard at that. I've landed a couple of longish term gigs on the temp to perm curve.

[Egalitarian Thug]

51. Glad to help. Since you're on the east coast you should add Tata (Hillary's corporate sponsor)

to that list of places to avoid. If you're not Indian, however, it's not much of a risk.

[whttevrr]

67. Thankfully I already have full time employment...

So, I will not be going to any kind of temporary position. I've often thought it would be fun to work at a lot of different places, meeting new people, getting a lot of experience; but it seems like an unstable lifestyle. I've done that before in another field of work. I do not want to go back to the feast or famine lifestyle.

Having a job already allows one to use the 'takeaway' sales technique. It has to be said in earnest and with a look of sincerity and humility but this often works: "I can work (state the preference), and if you can use me great, but if not, let me know now because I already have a job." And then shut up and look the hiring person in the eye. Before the silence gets awkward most people will say something and then you have your answer. Deal or no deal. In the past I've seen multiple interview schedules disappear with this technique. If people think they will miss out on something because of indecision, their instinct is to take what is in front of them.

Salespeople use this technique a lot. Always Be Closing. The Linux stuff is going to make me ruthless when I talk to these HR hiring people, whether the job requires it or not. I will know that I know what I am talking about. The whole interview process will be about leading them to ask me to join their team.

Now I need to go study advanced switching...

My weekends are Study, Sleep, Study. I may have to block DU on my firewall though. I am spending way too much time here.

[Egalitarian Thug]

68. Yes, I'm afraid those days are gone. I did it for 12 years and it was fun. I never had a famine in

that time, but it definitely wasn't a lifestyle for a family man. My beautiful house in the hills was little more than a place to store my stuff and a junk mail repository that I saw on the weekend.

But when Clinton opened the flood gates of H-1(b)s, it went downhill quickly.

And yes, DU can do that, so we'll talk again next week.

[whttevrr]

69. Well...

Maybe one more post won't hurt.

And then there is that other thread I wanted to read...

[CrispyQ]

26. Have you tried Meetup groups?

My area has a couple of groups where start ups are looking for IT talent. Hire a Developer & Pick a Programmer are two. The Meetup groups are also good ways to network & most also have job boards.

Good luck!

Love your screen name.

[whttevrr]

35. Thanks for the info...

The screen name is to remind me that I cannot take myself to seriously.

[shawn703]

55. Not sure about the LA market

In DC I would think somewhere between 40 and 50k. Have you thought about temporary self employment (even if it's just odd jobs for family and neighbors or charity work here and there) to get some hands on experience and add a line item to your résumé for "whttevrr Consulting"? I've been seeing that a lot more on resumes l've had to review and we will still call them in for interviews. The toughest part of our process is the technical interview, so you should keep up on that knowledge you gained while studying for those certs. The CCNA is one of the certs I have, but since it's not something I use daily I know I forgot 80-90% of it since I took the exam and would bomb a tech interview for any job focused on Cisco routing and switching.

Also I would strongly encourage specializing since that will open up more possibilities for you. The CompTIA certs are a good start, and if you found you enjoyed Security+ the most for example, consider studying for and sitting for the CISSP.

[whttevrr]

59. Thanks!

The CCNA is a lot of different things to remember... CompTIA Security+ was a joke, almost. I would not feel confident in saying I could secure a network properly after taking that class/test. It is so ethereal and broad in its knowledge base.

Cisco is now changing things up a bit and I might go with some of the CCNA extra certs, like CCNASecurity or CCNAVoip. The problem is cost. Outside of the junior college circuit these certs will cost 1000's of dollars each. As it is, you have 150 for the class, 250-300 for the books and online portions, and then 150 -250 for the actual cert tests. Outside of the colleges it is 500 for instruction, 200-300 for online support, 100 for books, and 300-500 for the tests themselves.

I just want to walk into a huge server room and say: "Yeah, I know this shit!"

[shawn703]

74. I did get the CCNA Security

It was all actually required as part of the degree I'm getting online from Western Governors (they give you vouchers for the exams and retakes up to a certain point if you need them). I think the most valuable study tool you can get are the practice test engines, because it's important to get an idea of how the questions will appear on the test and what topics will be covered. Once you see where you're falling down in the practice tests you know what you need to shore up on in the texts and what areas need the most focus. So if you look at the reviews and get a good textbook (ebook for even cheaper) and a good exam simulator you can save a lot of money on the cost of obtaining a cert. Getting hands on experience or instructor led training would be better of course, but in the end it's not required to pass.

[Fumesucker]

12. That sounds remarkably like a conspiracy theory

The government tells us there is a shortage of STEM workers, can we not believe what the government tells us any more?

Does Barack Obama's adminstration not have the best interests of Americans in mind?

[Brigid]

15. Not always.

Never trust anyone blindly. No one.

[Fumesucker]

18. There are many here on DU who would argue with that statement

Indeed, it's thought offensive, even racist, by some not to entirely trust the government.

Witness the ongoing arguments over Snowden and the NSA, one side does not entirely trust the government and the other side is calling them a great many names for not fully trusting.

[pnwmom]

19. I don't think anyone here says we should entirely trust the government.

And I don't know any reasonable person who thinks we should entirely trust Snowden or Greenwald.

[Fumesucker]

22. That's certainly not the sense of things I get reading the Snowwald threads

There are some who seem to take a middle ground but that's a distinct minority IMO.

My view is that government is a tool which humans use, possibly the most powerful tool we have. In my experience the more powerful the tool the more carefully and judiciously it should be used, you can give yourself a nice gash with a chisel, turning a big chunk of your hand into a pink cloud with a router is a horse of a different odor though.

[hootinholler]

27. So why drag that shit in here?

Nice ThreadJack.

Bonus points for yelling CT as well.

[Fumesucker]

33. What is being described certainly fits the description of a conspiracy

The only remaining question is whether or not it's just a theory or actual fact.

If the government is deliberately lying to us over this subject what is the rationale for doing so?

[hootinholler]

52. If by the government you mean our elected reps

The reason is one primarily of ignorance because they believe Bill Gates and Larry whatshisface (Oracle) etc when they cry that there's no one for them to hire whilst thinking for what I'm willing to pay.

By by saying Conspiracy Theory in caps, you appear to be denigrating those of us who have been living this shit for 20 years now, even though this might just be a simple case where interests are aligned because everyone with a big IT shop wants to minimize payroll. If you think that is a conspiracy, then by all means have the fuck at it, even though on this side it smells.

Have you ever seen the youtube of an HR training session given by a law firm who specializes in H1B visa acquisition and defense? It's quite telling. They lay out all the steps HR needs to check off before they can be confident they will get an H1B to fill a given position. It's not oriented at finding qualified citizens but on disqualifying citizens to proceed on the hire on the cheap.

For the last 10 years it has been moving out of IT into other areas, like nursing.

[Fumesucker]

53. What makes you think I haven't been living it too?

And I don't believe our elected representatives are as clueless as all that. It's quite obvious that wages are not going up which would happen if there really was a shortage of STEM workers in the first place.

My post was more a poke at the OP since that poster is fond of calling concerns that others have on certain other subjects "Conspiracy Theories".

Funny how Conspiracy Theories turn into reality when it's one's own ox that's being gored.

[whttevrr]

60. Ox goring is no CT!

You are an Evil Alien Bovine Mutilator!

I can tell from your avatar. Hrmpf!

[Brigid]

20. I'm 55. I grew up on Viet Nam and Watergate.

So there you have it.

[Aerows]

13. There are plenty of workers

Just not plenty of people willing to pay them enough. That's the problem.

[SharonAnn]

32. Exactly! If there were a shortage, they'd have to pay more. So they make sure there's not

a shortage by getting more "guest workers".

[OnionPatch]

72. A huge number of the employees

at my company are Indian or Asian and here on H1B visas. And I personally know Americans who could do those jobs but can't get hired. I'm sure seeing evidence that this isn't just a conspiracy theory. I think the corporations are just lying when they say they can't find Americans, and the government isn't checking enough to make sure it's true.

[reformist2]

14. Professionals - engineers, accountants, even lawyers - need to unionize.

[penndragon69]

16. There's only 1 tech shortage in America..

The number of IT specialists who are willing to work
endless hours for minimum wage and no benefits.

[GiaGiovanni]

17. Interesting how they keep blaming the workers

when it's really their own hiring practices that leave US grads unemployed.

[jtuck004]

21. Just breathless - what an incredible shortage - have to do SOMETHING

http://www.washingtonstem.org/

Sarcasm aside, according to these people there are 25,000 positions going begging (must be invisible, however, because they don't seem to be posted anywhere - maybe that's why they are unfilled, and we don't need to encourage kids to take on more college debt for jobs that don't exist), and many more will be needed in just a few years.

They leave any mention of the H1B visas that provide much a much cheaper workforce in a globally connected world...

A bit more info
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/outrageous-economic-shorts-there-no-stem-worker-shortage

It's not a bad idea to get people more fluent in varied sciences. Tens of millions of adults who "graduated" could certainly use the advantages this might bring them.

But don't lie and tell us there are massive job shortages when we can read the same statistics and job postings and immigration bills that everyone else has.

[pnwmom]

24. I've read that part of the problem is that computers are sorting the resumes

and have poor "judgment." They don't have the ability human beings do to know which skills are easily transferable to slightly different positions.

[jtuck004]

31. The computers do what they are programmed to do - sometimes by people with poor judgment.

I say that only partly in jest, because there is no way a company can sort through the 800 resumes they get for every low-level position, and that's just the ones that make it to the computer. They could hire more people to sort through the stack, but at the end of the day there's only one position to hire for, and the odds are good that it pays $15/hr or less. That won't support a family, much less more HR folks.

The problem is 200 million people with not enough money, because those at the top, and their shareholders, are taking too much for their own pockets and not investing enough back into the country, and the politicians they own are too comfortable in their house to worry about the rest of us in the fields.

[pnwmom]

34. But it isn't (yet) possible to program them to make the kind of

judgments that normal human beings make every day. They're great at math and logic. Not so great at anything that requires imagination or dealing with novel situations.

[jtuck004]

37. For the most part, yes. And that's where the human part comes in - deciding that it is a

task which doesn't need imagination or dealing with a novel situation. And if they make that judgement in error, (and our unemployment situation clearly demands more than we are throwing at it if we want to be anything but number 32 in the world, scared and afraid to travel for fear of the next bomb like the behavior we have forced on the people in Pakistan) then the thing that needs fixing are those that make the decisions.

[1-Old-Man]

23. Not only cheap to hire but they have moved the cost of education off shore

There is really no need to support (pay taxes for) education in this country if you can get another country put out the resources to educate its people and then entice them come here to work, or even better yet if it leads to cheaper prices, have them "telecommute" from anywhere in the world they can be had even cheaper and reap even greater (untaxed) profits taken from here.

[HiPointDem]

29. kr

[whttevrr]

36. What about security clearances?

I've noticed more than a few ads that require Security Clearances.

Can HB1's get those?

Will posting snark on DU preclude one from getting a security clearance?

[jtuck004]

38. It's H1B, btw. And it's people _with_ an H1B. There are varied levels,

and the company that hires you should be able to help with that, with the help of the gov...but absolutely, if you have the skills they want to exploit.

As far as the last question, it depends on what they can google about you, but generally no.

[whttevrr]

63. oops... (people with an H1B)

Yeah, that was a little bit insensitive of me.

[jtuck004]

64. It's a world where we speak in shorthand, and that leads us to forget we are talking about

people.

At least you care.

[1-Old-Man]

44. One wonders just what percentage of jobs actually requires a security clearance.

[treestar]

70. No way.

You have to be a citizen. In fact I knew of someone who could not get one unless his mother became a citizen.

[ShadowLiberal]

39. Engineers are an exception to this, 2/3's of all engineers in the US are baby boomers

I think you're right that there's an excess of some technology fields, especially stuff that can be more easily shipped overseas, but engineering in general is not one of them.

Engineering is a very difficult career to get through college. My father's an engineer, and they told the whole engineering class at the beginning that only 1/3 of engineering students graduate, the rest drop out or switch majors.

Engineering is also one that there's going to be a huge shortage of engineers before long, because 2/3's of all engineers in the US are in the baby boomer generation, which is starting to retire now. They won't all retire at once, but if you're a company that hires engineers, the lack of people going into engineering since the baby boomer generation has to concern you long term.

I work at a company with a lot of engineers (I'm a software developer though, not an engineer), and probably over half of the engineers have gray hair. I think there's perhaps 2 engineers at the company who are under 40, out of like 16+.

[reformist2]

40. So you say there's no excess, but that your company isn't hiring either.

[pnwmom]

41. Not really. My nephew is a mechanical engineer with fine grades from a very good school.

He got his first job from the same company where he did his internship -- and was laid off 3 months later when the whole division was shut down and they laid off 200 people. Then, after almost a year, he finally found a job in another state, but it wasn't an engineering position. A year after that he finally found a real engineering job, but the pay still isn't as high as what average grads of his college were being offered two years earlier. He has a number of engineering friends who have gone through similar situations.

And one of the two PHD's we know who can't get seem to get a first job has a degree in biomedical engineering.

You see a lot of older engineers because your company isn't hiring young ones. But they're out there.

[JCMach1]

46. There is no shortage of Engineers either... China, India, and the MENA region

create close to 1M new engineers each and every year...

The faux shortage is about getting students into seats to provide even more over-supply on the world market..

[IDemo]

48. I'm working at an R&D site of a large high tech company

This division has been in a rapid expansion mode for some time so perhaps it's an outlier, but the majority of E.E. and C.S. engineering team are new grads or in their 20's and 30's. I feel like Grandpa Simpson some days.

[DCBob]

62. yes, clearly there is an engineering shortage.. especially those with experience.

I think what happened is that back in the 90's many who could have gone into engineering decided to go into IT due to the Internet boom.

[KG]

42. there's articles posted monthly on yahoo's business section bemoaning the lack of quailified workers

it's a scam pushed by big business to lower wages.

[Egalitarian Thug]

47. This is all they really care about. n/t

[moondust]

49. Freedom!!!

(To pay people almost nothing for doing the work that makes me richer and richer and richer, without end!!! Yes, freedom. )

[mick063]

54. In the 80's

White collar workers lined up with "corporate office" in demonizing collective bargaining and blue collar workers. They towed the company line. They thought they were "safe". They believed that only those "below them" would be affected. That less for blue collar would create more for white collar.

They never understood two important realities:

1) Their wages were heavily, albeit indirectly dependent upon the wages negotiated through collective bargaining for blue collar workers..

2) Once "Corporate" reduced "operational costs" with blue collar workers, the white collar workers were next on the chopping block.


We are beginning to see the infancy stage of something new. Organizing by white collar workers for their own representation. It is happening in small, isolated pockets across the nation though not well established nor nearly as formal as traditional blue collar labor representation. It is still in the formative stages.

I am a member of the United Steelworkers and I have heard of professional and low level management groups contacting the USS for mentorship with respect to the workings of collective bargaining.

One must hope that the corporate overreach has taken them over the threshold. Hopefully the next big labor movement (it is inevitable) will include both traditional labor representation as well as the added political muscle through representation of lower to mid level management and educated professionals.

Another distinct possibility is the combined strength of this very diverse workforce to completely circumvent the system and create their own cooperatives to manufacture for and, buy/sell to each other. The capital is all that is missing, but adventurous people have been known to cross the continental US in a covered wagon, leaving everything behind, to find a new beginning. In evolution, nature finds a way to fill niches. Corporate greed is currently creating such a void that must inherently be filled.

Corporate executives have arrogantly convinced themselves that it is their "brilliance" that equates to corporate success. There will come a day when they discover that business will thrive more powerfully thanks to the subtraction of their unethical "leadership".

[Buns_of_Fire]

57. For the most part, "executives" in large corporations derive their entire worth

from knowing how much suction to apply, who to apply it to, and where to apply it.

Sorry to belabor the obvious, but I've worked around enough of them to know that it sure as hell isn't due to any superhuman expertise on their part.

[pnwmom]

66. The engineers at Boeing have long been unionized here.

But lately Boeing has been setting up shops in right-to-starve states like South Carolina.

[Populist_Prole]

75. Best post here. Should have been its own OP

You point out the obvious ugly truth: That all this is a problem only because it affects white collar types now.

I'd like to add one more line to your two bullet points about important realities ignored:

Those blue collar employees now making less, or unemployed altogether cause economic slowdown due to less demand....less spending power.

[One_Life_To_Give]

56. When US Engineers are tking contract position in Shanghai

talk about a crock of sheet.

[DCBob]

61. Also, whats curious is that a high percentage of open STEM jobs listed require US citizenship..

especially here in the DC area.

[whttevrr]

65. Some of the aerospace firms in El Segundo, CA

Pay interns 20-30/hr.

But, you need security clearance and advanced degrees.

[MH1]

71. Highly specific skill requirements can be hard to fill.

Especially when the company wants an "expert" in a software platform that's only been out for a year or two.

My theory is that certain groups of potential H1B's have learned how to work the system better than the average American college grad. Also, the average American college grad maybe doesn't want to "lower" himself or herself - or suffer the economic risk (which isn't nearly as high as they think it is, unless they are incompetent or unprofessional) - to rely on contracting positions for awhile to build up their resume. It's the new "paying your dues" and every American I've talked to doesn't want to do it. But they should, because the jobs are good once you get dug in well enough to the profession.

[mick063]

73. Yes

Just a wonderful answer to soaring student loan debt.

If a degree is the requirement, then the student has fulfilled his initial obligation. This is about lowering salary. Nothing more, nothing less.

[luvlingo]

76. 40,000 H-1bs are used by Offshore OutSourcers

~40,000 H-1bs a year are used by Offshore Outsourcers

Offshore Outsourcing companies hire almost no U.S. citizen engineers (effectively negative), as they actively discriminate against U.S. engineers and exist to remove jobs from the United States.

At a distant second, ~10,000 H-1bs a year, U.S. domestic software companies with large operations in India.

Put it together, most (practically all) h-1b visas are used to fill jobs for which there was any intention to hire a U.S. citizen. It is cheaper and easier to hire an overseas worker, vet that worker overseas, then make a position for them in the United States using the H-1b as a proxy.

This is how corporations have been doing it for decades with Green Card certification, see the Cohen and Grigsby video on You Tube. They have simply carried that over to another government program, in this case H-1b.

If Offshore Outsourcing companies were barred from the H-1b program, as they should be, we never have seen a year where we ran out of visa.

We have let the whining of a few tech CEO's, that frankly barely use the H-1b program, create a Monster job destroying and discrimination program in the United States.

No country on this Earth, except the bought-off U.S. Congress, would allow such a hideous program to go unchecked for more than 20 years.