I found a gun nut porno magazine at work today (pic heavy)...

[Gravitycollapse]

Outside of Cosmo, this is probably the most disturbing magazine I've sever seen.

The answer to this is simple and to the point. These people live in perpetual fear. They are unstable blobs of paranoia.


(Just realized that SHTF means Shit Hits The Fan)









But they still love their Iphones apparently.

[darkangel218]

1. Looks interesting.

Thanks for the publicity lol

[Squinch]

31. No, for real? Even if you like guns, is that really interesting to you?

This isn't snark. I'm curious.

[darkangel218]

42. Perheps you will get an answer

If you lose the condescending tone.

[Squinch]

74. Asking a question is condescention? Perhaps you were projecting. So forget I ever tried

to learn about your position on this.

[darkangel218]

77. You really werent asking a question.

Just criticising my comment

I prefer to pass such posts.


Toodles!

[chemp]

60. In past post I have mentioned

That I manage a gunstore/range.

These nutcases are out there.

*They hoard cases of ammo for "home protection".
*They talk about "evening the odds".
*They talk about someone "coming at them hot" and being ready.
*When their paperwork is not yet returned from law enforcement (background checks) after 7 days they threaten a lawsuit of we do not release their purchase. I tell them the law states "may issue", not "shall issue" and it is a FEDERAL CRIME for me to issue a firearm without the background confirmation, they go ripshit, until I start writing a check to return their deposit.

But I am glad that there are many more customers who laugh at these folks.

[Squinch]

76. In your experience, about what percentage would you guess are the loons?

[Jesus Malverde]

92. My favorite is "Tactical" everything...nt

[Paladin]

94. "Platform" also gets them excited..... (nt)

[tridim]

126. How do "those folks" react when laughed at by your other customers?

[Katashi_itto]

69. Not interesting, no women posing with them.

I might read it then, but only for the pictures then.

[Squinch]

75. Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

[Katashi_itto]

83. A veiled insult. Yaaa.

As for the guns, other than for hunting or civil war reenactment. I see no real use for them.

[Squinch]

84. If you choose to take it that way, it's up to you. All I was implying was that your

response was characteristic of others I have seen from you. If you find that insulting, it's not on me.

[Aristus]

2. It's a terrible thing, to live in fear...

Thank God I'm not a gun-humper...

[darkangel218]

3. That german shepard is cute though

Can't deny that :p

[Aristus]

4. I love German Shepherds.

Such handsome dogs.

I'll take one of those dogs over a million guns...

[darkangel218]

13. my parents had a german shepard,

They had him since he was a pup. He passed last year of old age

[LibertyLover]

135. I've had 4 GSDs

in my life and each and every one of them was very cute, very intelligent and very cuddly. You're right, that GSD was cute.

[mindwalker_i]

5. ...

[BainsBane]

6. Be careful with that

Some might not be able to contain their excitement.

[aikoaiko]

7. The Spike's Tactical SBR with the integral suppressor is a nice firearm.

If I had the money something like that would be my home defense rifle.

Thanks for posting pics in GD.

[BainsBane]

26. case in point

[SQUEE]

44. And in a nod to the banners.. and thier fascination to gun owners "equipment"

The Spikes tactical logo seems to have 2 erect penii in a sword fight, once someone pointed it out to me I can't unsee it.

[Eleanors38]

52. "2 erect penii in a sword fight:" Seems redundant...

[sofa king]

66. Oh no! Hahahaha!

Two penii fighting over the same labia. The story of my life.

[arely staircase]

8. porno?

that was a disappointment.

[darkangel218]

9. I was expecting s&m pics

[Gravitycollapse]

10. I mean, I can link you to actual porno if you'd like. But I'd be banned.

Why don't you step into my back office and we can talk.

[arely staircase]

11. don't promise what you can't deliver, sport nt

[Gravitycollapse]

12. The best I can do is a link to either Carlos Danger's or Geraldo Rivera's

twitter page.

[arely staircase]

14. in that case no

please god, no

[anneboleyn]

118. I have to admit I am a little disappointed...

[ileus]

34. I was hoping for something with more flesh...

[Liberal_in_LA]

15. another code - teotwawki -the end of the world as we know it

[JI7]

16. i was actually thinking of going to a gun show

to see in person how bad these people are.

[Gravitycollapse]

17. I've been to a couple gun shows. It depends on who you talk to...

And what your standards are for "bad."

A lot of them are very nice and unassuming unless you even hint that you're liberal. For the love of God, never wear an Obama shirt to one. You'll never make it out alive.

[derby378]

119. Not necessarily true...

I've worn Obama and Democratic Party merchandise to gun shows before; most of the people I've talked to registered no objection.

One gunsmith I talked with, a card-carrying Republican, told me that my Democratic shirt might not endear me to a few folks at these shows. I explained that I'm one of those malcontents trying in my own humble way to soften national Democratic policy on gun laws. Having a rifle in tow probably helped my cred a little, too.

[rrneck]

18. You need to get out more. nt

[LanternWaste]

85. I imagine many people pretend to be clever enough to know who should "get out more..."

I imagine many people pretend to be clever enough to know who should "get out more..."

[rrneck]

86. I don't have to imagine.

You found a magazine full of advertising and leapt to all kinds of conclusions about how seriously others might take it. That kind of literalism only grows in an intellectual cloister.

[Lint Head]

19. A magazine to meet any discerning cowardly fuckwad's taste.

[Eleanors38]

55. An exspurt has spoken. nt

[The Straight Story]

20. Imagine that, people liking things you don't like. And when it comes to living in fear

I live in the US - where we are so afraid of our fellow citizen we don't want them taking bottled water onto airplanes.

Our government is armed to the teeth with enough nukes to end the world and we are still so scared we kill men, women, and children a world away (and you are worried about the people here? I really doubt people in other countries are worried about the local citizen here having a gun hobby) because we think THEY are the threat to us.

Hell anymore it comes down to: me, you, anyone with a gun not working for the government, every man/woman/child in the ME and other countries really are all the ones we are supposed to be afraid of. The only ones we should trust are the ones that spy on us, start wars, and bomb other countries.

People collect guns. They shoot them for fun and hunting and some keep em around for self defense. You think your avg gang bangers on the street who are doing the drive by's are reading this magazine? And even if they did, do you think magazines (games/etc) cause people to kill (if so, why don't they all do so??? And why only less than 1% of gun owners use them in crimes?).

The fear people have here ensures I have no illusion as to why this country is the way it is now - we teach fear, preach it, and convince each other we are all the enemy and need the government to protect us.

The only gun porn I see are the threads like this and the ones trying to use shooting deaths to pimp an agenda whose only solution won't really solve the problems we face. But it will make folks feel awful good.

[BainsBane]

25. You're complaining about Nukes and fear?

Last edited Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Seems a contradiction. You are constantly saying guns are nothing more than inanimate objects and that they don't kill. The ill will in people's hearts kill.
We're supposed to find a cure for the darkness in people's hearts while making sure they have every lethal weapon they can possibly stockpile. (Why anyone who doesn't have ill intent even wants weapons like assault rifles, you of course never contemplate). You again make that very point in this thread, but someone nukes are different. The fact is nukes also require someone to set them off. By your argument, it is entirely illogical to worry about nukes, chemical or biological weapons, or any WMD, since they are merely inanimate objects. So much for ideological consistency.

Your entire argument lacks coherence. You complain that society cultivates fear, when in fact the greatest fear is perpetrated by pro-gun elements. The NRA and their lackeys deliberately cultivate fear of black criminals, of home invaders, of attackers in the shadows who can only be combated with scores of expensive weaponry. Most of us aren't afraid of our fellow citizens. Normal people don't go around in fear. They don't give much thought to terrorists, and know that their chances of being hit by a terrorist attack pale in comparison to being shot by a killer with a gun. In fact, we Americans have a higher homicide rate than do Palestinians in the West Bank living under Israel occupation. Such is life in the world's foremost gun culture. Even considering the US's disproportionately high homicide rate, most of us don't go around in fear. That falls to paranoids too terrified to go to the grocery store or coffee shop without a gun. All you have to do is read posts by gun proponents to realize that they exist in a constant state of fear that simply does not occur to rational human beings.


You insist we have no business being afraid of loaded, lethal weapons, yet have never once suggested to a gunner that he doesn't need to be fearful of physical attack from an unarmed assailant. Again, ideological consistency doesn't seem to matter. How bizarre that you would insist it is irrational to be afraid of a gun but not an unarmed teenager.

Tying to use "shooting deaths to pimp an agenda,"an agenda of human life over guns, killing, and corporate profits: Yep, count me guilty. I care much more about the lives of innocent victims that guns. I always will. Naturally you would suppress all notice of crime and gun violence to ensure no one question the sanctity of guns above all else. How morally corrupt of us "pimps" to actually care about human life. We should aspire to disdain our fellow citizens, to see them as only potential assailants or targets, just as the gun lobby teaches. How dare we care about innocent children and adults killed by gun totters, while their apologists work relentlessly to insist discussing such crimes is unacceptable.

I, and many like me, simply do not have the coldness of heart necessary to become what you think is acceptable. I will not refuse to care about human life because you find it inconvenient. Many of us remain human beings committed to social justice and human rights over the machinery of death and corporate profits. That is what being a socially conscious, morally responsible human being is about.

[smirkymonkey]

59. +10.000

What you said. Brilliant post.

[Generic Other]

62. Well said!

Anyone who is so afraid of the rest of us that they need to carry a concealed weapon every time they leave their home is a frightened little person who needs psychiatric care and meds for the paranoia.

[Cali_Democrat]

64. +1000

[madmom]

65. ...

[billh58]

70. Hear, Hear!

Well said, and you speak for many of us who are not as eloquent.

[BainsBane]

71. You all are very kind

about my late night ramblings.

[ornotna]

73. If only we could rec replies

Well said, thank you.

[Squinch]

78. Very well said.

[Nevernose]

81. Nice.

[otohara]

90. Only 1%

I like your post...

I see my neighbor everyday walking the neighborhood still looking lost and sad
after her ex blew their only son's brains out a couple of years ago.

They always try to minimize the numbers - nothing can minimize the damage done by guns.

[BainsBane]

96. How awful

I can't imagine the horrendous grief she must feel.

[DanTex]

120. One of the best DU posts I've seen on this topic or any other.

Excellent, BainsBane.

[SlimJimmy]

127. I disagree

Your entire argument lacks coherence. You complain that society cultivates fear, when in fact the greatest fear is perpetrated by pro-gun elements. The NRA and their lackeys deliberately cultivate fear of black criminals, of home invaders, of attackers in the shadows who can only be combated with scores of expensive weaponry. Most of us aren't afraid of our fellow citizens. Normal people don't go around in fear. They don't give much thought to terrorists, and know that their chances of being hit by a terrorist attack pale in comparison to being shot by a killer with a gun. In fact, we Americans have a higher homicide rate than do Palestinians in the West Bank living under Israel occupation. Such is life in the world's foremost gun culture. Even considering the US's disproportionately high homicide rate, most of us don't go around in fear. That falls to paranoids too terrified to go to the grocery store or coffee shop without a gun. All you have to do is read posts by gun proponents to realize that they exist in a constant state of fear that simply does not occur to rational human beings.

Then why have a lock on your front door or car, or a security system? Being prepared is not fear-based, it's smart - and in most cases, quite effective.

[Skip Intro]

144. +1000!!!

[NuclearDem]

21. Actually looks like a half decent read

Not that I particularly care for guns, nor support exploiting people's fears to shill ad space for gun manufacturers and paranoid RW survivalist crap, but frankly, it's at least entertaining.

[theHandpuppet]

33. "At least it's entertaining."

So is Mother Earth News, if you're truly interested in emergency preparedness and learning how to live off the grid. Of course, Mother Earth News doesn't peddle gun porn, so I'm sure some folks wouldn't find it entertaining.

[Politicalboi]

22. I want a tank

The cats will love climbing on it and in it. I will need to widen my carport, and get another litter box.

[jmowreader]

79. You can get 'em

Now, this is what I want...

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/2s1-gvozdika-280#currency=USD

A 2S1 is a Soviet-designed 122mm self-propelled howitzer. Every year in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, there is a classic car show called Car d'Lane, and the big draw is this parade of old cars. (Old is the operative phrase: this year, some guy showed up in a pristinely-restored Pacer.) CdA is FULL of freakin' teabaggers; can you imagine the looks on their faces if someone entered a commie artillery piece in their old-car parade?

[NickB79]

23. Looks like something MORE people should be reading

Home first aid, water purification, emergency food supplies, dealing with extended power losses, etc. These are bad things to study up on?

After all the natural disasters we've seen in the past few years just here in the US (Katrina, Sandy, multiple powerful thunderstorms knocking out power to major US cities for a week at a time, etc), I wish MORE people would learn some of these things, and take simple steps like stockpiling a few days of water, food and batteries.

After all, with climate change ramping up, it's only going to get worse in the years to come.

[Hoyt]

28. And the guns to shoot your neighbor, or unarmed black/brown kid.

There was a guy in the gungeon who posted some videos from a gun shop that obviously catered to bigots, they had some guns with confederate flag grips, etc. Anyway, one of their videos on YouTube actually went as far as suggesting what's the best gun 'if a brown person wonders across your lawn."

I' m sorry, I grew up around gun cultists, and am sick of the the callous, mostly bigoted, fools and their guns, whether holing up in the hills, or walking among us with one or two guns tucked in their pants waiting for Trayvon Martin to go to the store on a Sunday evening.

[SQUEE]

45. The more you post the more I think of

Shakespeare.. I have to wonder how in your travels and interactions you missed so many people that own and use firearms that were not bigots, or white, or male for that matter... Maybe... just MAYBE, there's a reason YOU only met bigots.

Well no time to tarry, I have to go shoot this weekend with an uncommonly diverse group of racist and ignorant professionals.

[Hoyt]

46. Please send photos to verify. Grew up in southern gun culture, glad I matured and moved on.

[SQUEE]

48. The onus is not me,

One person in this little tete a tete has taken to bigotry, stereotypes and dehumanization. Bigots almost never realize that they are bigots. The bright light of moral superiority always blinds them to the truth and gives them a warm glow of satisfaction, and oh Hoyt you do shine so brightly. Enjoy the day, I'm off to train.

[Hoyt]

49. Training to shoot people? Sounds like a real blast.

[Duckhunter935]

53. Went to the range Friday

Great time shooting paper targets, comparing shot groups and shooting cans and water bottles. FYI, I was the only white guy there. 1 black, 1 Hispanic, 2 pacific islanders. Wet and rained but we had a great few hours shooting each others and comparing our weapons. Now to clean my four weapons and put them back in the safe. Get nice exercise walking to the 200 yard targets.

[Eleanors38]

56. All those races and no one shot each other? My gawd!

[NickB79]

68. The gun articles in the magazine, meh

People who like guns, will read about guns. There are a million magazines out there dedicated to them.

That doesn't diminish what I said that more people should learn more about first aid, disaster prep, etc.

[theHandpuppet]

30. Here you go

http://www.ready.gov/natural-disasters

There are plenty of sites like this, sans the ammo dumps.

[NickB79]

80. Some people like hardcopy

Magazines and books over electronic media.

I have read that site before, and it has good information. However, I like to read multiple sources, because different authors can have insights that others might not think of.

Personally, I like magazines like Mother Earth News, Back Home, and The Backwoodsman. Not a lot of gun porn in them, and what there is, is generally how to use basic firearms for hunting. None of this tactical, militia-wannabe bullshit you see so much today.

It's unfortunate, but many of the magazines that have good disaster-prep info these days (like the OP's magazine find) also put in a lot of gun porn ads to sell issues. Just read what you find interesting and flip past the rest.

[Blue_Tires]

102. I'd personally take an ounce of prevention versus a ton of "cures" advertised in that mag

Naturally there's no manly quick fix or sexy fast buck to be made in infrastructure improvements and environmental stewardship, so those types of topics never get seriously discussed...

[NickB79]

141. Agreed, but we all know that's not happening

Every "climate conference" the world's governments hold always ends in the same way: agree that there's a problem, but that we need to do "more research" and come back again in another year or two because it would be too costly to business to go green in any meaningful way.

In the meantime, we keep adding more carbon to the atmosphere and the climate keeps getting more and more out of whack.

I try to live as sustainably as possible, I vote for ecologically conscious candidates, I write my congressmen, I attend a monthly meeting of like-minded locals who try to pressure our government to do more to act before it's too late. At this point there's not much more I can do individually to catalyze global change, so I must act personally instead.

[B Calm]

24. At my last job I use to find this crap

all over the break room. When no one was in the break room I would throw them all in the trash and dump wet coffee grounds on them, then make a new pot of coffee. After awhile who ever was bringing that crap in stopped doing it.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

37. this doesn't look like a break room

looks like someone stocking shelves or something. the magazine probably came off a magazine rack in the store...

sP

[oneshooter]

87. So you are proud of destroying someones private property?

They did not belong to you, yet you are proud of destroying it? Sounds sick to me.

[B Calm]

98. Damn right I'm proud! First off if it was PRIVATE

PROPERTY, why did the person bring that crap in and lay it around the employee break room? Most of the time this shit was open to an anti Obama article telling people he's gonna take your gun!!

[oneshooter]

101. Once more, It was NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

[B Calm]

114. ONCE MORE, if the original owner wanted this magazine

he would NOT have left it in the employee break room!!!! Have you ever cleaned the break room at work? My guess is NO!!

[oneshooter]

116. And your proof of this is? I leave my lunch kit in the break room,

as do many others. Does that mean that I do not want it? Do you also destroy any lunch boxes you find?

[B Calm]

123. Can you link me to one of your most liberal posts on DU?

[xoom]

91. Nice to know how you treat other peoples stuff...

[B Calm]

99. .

[xoom]

124. .

[LanternWaste]

133. Anything left there, gets thrown away.

I make a point to inspect the refrigerators in the break room every Friday afternoon. Anything left there, gets thrown away.

It's nice how I treat other people's stuff too... certainly wouldn't want to get cited for a health violation.

But I;'m quite certain you merely left out necessary qualifiers in your indictment.

[geckosfeet]

27. Wow - a tank for the daily commute. Roll over a few beamers for sure.

[Deep13]

29. Gawd! It's such a commitment of time and money.

Those tricked out AR15s are not cheap.

[ileus]

32. I bought the first issue of Recoil, when I flipped thru this

one but it didn't seem that interesting, I was mainly searching for reviews on the p227 and SR45.

Good luck getting anything from bravo company, they're sold out of almost anything you need to complete your AR build.

[lynne]

35. Prepper mag -

- certainly not devoted to guns only. You'd be glad to have the info on MRE's, water purification, first aid in the event of a natural disaster - hurricane, earthquake, flood, etc.

[theHandpuppet]

36. There are plenty of sources for that info

And without the gun porn.

[lynne]

38. They're advertisements, for crying out loud -

- absolutely nothing about guns on the cover. I don't have the time to leaf through an entire mag before purchase to make sure I am in agreement with their advertising policies.

[theHandpuppet]

43. I'll save you some time

http://www.motherearthnews.com/

[TheCowsCameHome]

39. It's more macho than sucking on a binky.

[Kingofalldems]

40. Fake Tough Guy Monthly

[leveymg]

41. I just loved the armored motorhome. Just the thing for mobile disaster tourism

[disidoro01]

47. Yeah

Let's get all offended about a magazine and tear into the stupid people who may read it. But please don't try to bring up that our gun nut administration is killing people right and left... and discuss drone killings? Hell no.
Can someone tell me again who the stupid people are?

[Sheepshank]

50. Go figure.....capitalism has found a niche that will make them some money

apparently feeding paranoia really is a profit making device.

[Eleanors38]

57. Clearly, feeding the interests of some "rational" banners.

[NutmegYankee]

51. I'd call that a prepper mag

Gun nuts buy mags like "guns and ammo". This is for those people who are preparing for the Apocalypse and built bunkers in their yards.

[Blue_Tires]

103. Bunkers are ultimately useless

If people live in this much fear, they're better off finding some island in the Pacific and living like the Swiss Family Robinson or something...

[NutmegYankee]

108. But what if the Zombies can swim?

[Marr]

54. Just a general observation...

I grew up among people who bought magazines like that one. They were terrified of their own shadows. Probably the biggest cowards I've met in my life. All the bluster and armament was overcompensation.

[Eleanors38]

58. Being this is "Porno," what does "Bullet Proof Diesel" mean?

[Tom Ripley]

61. ALL advertising exploits fear and anxiety but the gun nut industry wears the crown

[sofa king]

67. Soap opera ads get the tiara.

[sofa king]

63. That cover is from the game mod Day Z.

That appears to be a female survivor in some fairly standard in-game gear, with the photoshopped addition of gloves and rope, standing along the coast east-north-east of the town of Chernogorsk on the Chernarus map.

I can pretty clearly see the cylindrical granary facilities of Cherno, with a few smokestacks from nearby Elektro sprinkled in to break up the skyline.

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Chernogorsk

I've been watching people play that game a lot lately, and we even have a thread up for it in the gaming group, though I'm really the only person posting in it:

It makes sense that survivor types would gravitate to that game, with its utter ruthlessness and complete lack of social rules. As I mention in that other thread, the difficulty of the game increases dramatically if the person playing is streaming and appears to be part of a social out-group, as racists and bigots team up to hunt those players.

I do not know why racism goes hand-in-hand with survivalism, but in an alarming number of cases it does. I see it, and if you guys watch SoulCrush playing DayZ tonight, you will, too (also, SoulCrush can use followers and donations, hint hint).

[LondonReign2]

72. Bullet proof? Pfffttt

These idiots don't seem to realize those AREN'T drone proof.

[Habibi]

82. Take a Sharpie, and write

Gun Nut Porno across the cover. Then see who picks it up to read.

[oneshooter]

88. Would you like someone to do the same to your private property?

Maybe you would like to have insults written on the front of the magazines you own. Advocating for the destruction of anothers property is really progressive.

[Paladin]

95. Try posting something "really progressive" before you lecture us on it.

Hey, there's a first time for everything.

[oneshooter]

97. So you concider the destruction of private property, that is owned

by somebody else"progressive"?

[IveWornAHundredPants]

104. You're really torn up about "destruction of private property," aren't you?

Like it's this sacrosanct thing, some stupid fuckin' magazine.

[oneshooter]

115. Would you let someone destroy your property?

The magazine costs money, if you want to destroy/damage it then you can buy a copy.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

137. I'll tell you what, if somebody reacted to a magazine of mine so violently

that they destroyed it, I'd be surprised and amused more than anything. I don't run around gabbling "private property!" That particular obsession seems a very American thing, and I'm not American, so maybe that's it.

[oneshooter]

139. Why didn't you say so before? Americans consider that once

they have paid for an item it belongs to them. To take and destroy such an item is considered to be both a theft and rude. To do it only because of politics is considered stupid, and could be dangerous.

[MrMickeysMom]

89. Aptly featured amongst plenty of toilet paper, I see...

[Dash87]

93. lololol They used the term "SHTF" on the cover. So funny!

I could also only image someone driving that bullet-proof truck around. "Dur hurr when the SHTF me and mah NRA sticker gonna be ready!"

[Blue_Tires]

100. What's wrong with Cosmo?

Usually has more cheesecake photos than the SI Swimsuit issue

[MicaelS]

105. I guess you have never heard "Doomsday Preppers"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Preppers

Doomsday Preppers is an American reality television series that airs on the National Geographic Channel. Wise Food Storage Company and the United States Gold Bureau are official sponsors of the show.

The program profiles various survivalists, or "preppers," preparing for the end of civilization. The series interviews people who are preparing to survive the various circumstances through which life as we know it might come to an end, including economic collapse, societal collapse, electromagnetic pulse, terrorist acts, nuclear incidents, fuel shortages, war, pandemics, geomagnetic reversal, etc. The interviews detail the actions that the preppers have taken, and end with an expert analysis and recommendations for improvements.
Reception

Doomsday Preppers has received varied reviews. Neil Genzlinger in The New York Times condemned it as an "absurd excess on display and at what an easy target the prepper worldview is for ridicule," noting, "how offensively anti-life these shows are, full of contempt for humankind." Nevertheless, "The program has been a ratings bonanza, with a 60-percent male audience, with an average age of 44." "Doomsday Preppers is the network's most-watched series", and Brooklyn Bagwell, casting director for the second season, claimed "It’s the highest-rated show” in the history of the National Geographic Channel.

In response to negative comments, one prepper responded: "We don’t make it an obsession like some folks but we do spend a fair amount of time and money on it." "...you can’t always rely on the government or society to help you. The more people that are prepping minded, the better off we’ll all do."

[OLDBRO]

106. Gun Porno?

We are probably the most diverse society in human history. Free to do almost anything
that does not have the potential to harm others. You folks that wither at the thought of
a gun culture need to remember that point. Google "Knob Creek shoot". Then, instead of
whining about Gun Porn visit an event that hosts 10's of thousands of good folks every year
to enjoy a freedom unique to us.

[BainsBane]

107. "Free to do almost anything that does not have the potential to harm others."

Odd phrasing. Are you asserting guns don't have the potential to harm others?

[NRaleighLiberal]

109. so what's your views on background checks - and ideas about how to prevent

some of the horrendous things we've seen happen with guns the past few years?

[uppityperson]

112. What "freedom unique to us" do you mean? Welcome to DU.

[OLDBRO]

131. "unique to us"

Access to many types of modern weapons by law abiding citizens for recreational purposes.

[uppityperson]

132. Other countries do not have citizen "access to modern weapons for recreational purposes"?

I guess that is why the USA is the only country competing in Olympic shooting events, right? No. This is not "unique to us"

[derby378]

140. Case in point: how to own a gun in Japan

Step 1 - If a Japanese civilian of at least 20 years of age decides to seek out a firearm, she must sign up to attend a lecture on gun regulations for beginners, held once a month at her local police station. The lecture, which lasts for approximately three hours, is followed by a written examination with 20 questions; she must get at least 14 of them right to obtain a certificate that is valid for three years.

Step 2 - The prospective gun owner must supply her local police station with her employment history and all residences over the past 10 years, along with a roster of everyone who lives at her residence and a quick summary of her family history. Police will determine if she is seeking a firearm for hunting or competitive shooting. No other reasons for gun ownership will be considered, including self-defense.

Step 3 - If she does not have it already, the prospective gun owner must obtain certification from a doctor that she does not use illegal or recreational drugs and that she has no preexisting physical or mental conditions that would disqualify her from owning a firearm. She must hand this certificate over to the police, as well as her written examination certificate.

Step 4 - Police will check out her family to see if she is related to any Yakuza or other "undesirables." Having one black sheep in her somewhat-immediate family could disqualify her from owning a gun.

Step 5 - After a minimum one-month waiting period (usually takes longer because of background checks on family), if she qualifies, the prospective gun owner will receive a call from her local police station to come and pick up her license booklet. It looks similar to a passport, and will feature the prospective gun owner's name, address, birthdate, license number, date of issue, and a photograph of the licensee on the front page.

Step 6 - The new licensee must have a specially-designed gun safe installed somewhere in her home. The key to the safe must be hidden somewhere very secure, and not even her family should have access to the key. Police, on the other hand, may require that she provide them with a map of her home indicating where the key and the gun safe are located, and reserve the right to inspect her gun and gun safe with adequate prior notification.

Step 7 - The licensee must take a shooting class at an approved gun range, following by another examination. This stage is supposed to be fairly easy to pass.

Step 8 - After all of the prerequisites are satisfied, the certificates are approved, the safe is purchased, and the license booklet is deemed valid, our new licensee may finally head down to an approved gun shop and purchase...

...a single-shot, break-action shotgun.

Wheeeeee.

Step 9 - Time for our new gun owner to purchase some buckshot for that shotgun. Unfortunately, this requires a separate permit, and ammunition must be stored in a separate safe from that used to house the shotgun. In other words, she basically has to repeat much of Steps 1-8.

Wasn't that fun?

Now, contrast the Japanese process for legally obtaining a break-action shotgun with the American process for legally obtaining the same type of gun:

My dad gave me one. "Easy, breezy, beautiful, Cover Girl."

There are those who feel the Japanese approach to gun ownership is much more sensible than ours, and those are the kind of people I like to call "wrong." But this is DU, and you'll find a wide variety of opinions and observations here.

[The Straight Story]

117. I know a little something about Knob Creek, perhaps you recall the story

It was back in 1995 and a young girl (12-13) was killed there when the machine gun she was firing came undone from the mount and crushed her skull.

I knew that girl (Rachel) and her father. I had only just met the girl a few weeks before (though I had known her father longer through the business I was a manager at).

Pretty pro-gun guy here myself. So when I google knob creek, that is what I see.

You could have picked a better place for your battle.

[OLDBRO]

128. Actually no.

No, you're misguided. Allowing sensitivities to override reason. I can come up with tragedies tied to almost any event over time. Accidents are one thing, we should not base our freedoms on whether a accident may occur exercising such. Guns are dangerous in criminal/irresponsible hands, so are automobiles, ammonium nitrate fertilizers, and pressure cookers, none of the latter mentioned in that ancient, arcane document the Bill of Rights.

[LongTomH]

110. I wonder if anyone is doing sociological studies of the surivivalist culture and the people involved

If I may step outside the usual DU food fight for a minute: This could be seen as a darker, right wing answer to The Whole Earth Catalog; I say 'darker' because I don't remember the Whole Earth Catalog mentioning an apocalyptic collapse.

The era in which I first started seeing survivalist publications on the stands and mention of preparation for a societal collapse was during the Reagan Administration: the era of SDI/Star Wars and Red Dawn (the original). There was a cable program, run by a conservative commentator offering 'investment advice.' (Buy gold / buy silver). He also advised people to buy a year's supply of food; specially freeze-dried and packed in gold-plated cans (I'm not kidding; the cans had a very thin electro-plated layer of gold on the interior to prevent corrosion!). I believe this was a common phenomenon during the 80s; there was talk about whether it was ethical to shoot your neighbors to keep them from stealing your freeze-dried food supply.

I don't recall seeing survivalist publications during the Clinton years; maybe I wasn't looking or maybe the survivalist movement just went underground.

[whistler162]

111. Awwww.... You poor person!

Being forced to look at that magazine and then forced to post it on the internees!

[NM_Birder]

113. I had never heard oof this magazine before,...

But maybe I'll look for it now, thanks. Did it feel like reading porn behind the toilet paper in a store room ?

Bulletproofdiesel.com, specifically a website I will visit, I'm guessing you did not look at it yourself ? just assumed what the name meant ? The attack dogs are not for me,

1 Basic first aid
2 multi-tool selection
3 water purification
4 emergency food selection
5 selecting a 3day pack

All topics I am always interested in, if these were the scariest pictures you found then it's probably worth a look. I'll skip "Cosmopolitan" magazine.

[tabasco]

121. LOL at the military wannabes.

How far are you from a recruiting station?

[oneshooter]

122. As for me, been there done that got the scars. Too damn old now.

[NM_Birder]

129. I like what the pope had to say about gay people.....

and that it was not the place for anybody to judge anybody else,....PLUS I live fairly close to a church.... but have no plans of becoming a priest either.

All the articles I mentioned were advertised on the cover of the mag. I REALLY enjoy being in the woods without every single creature comfort available to me at home. And some of the best information for backpacking/survival is hidden in magazines like this one. There is good and bad information in ALL types of media. I have no more intention of stocking up on .223 and .45 for my "end of days" stand, than I do buying a "ShamWow" from that ding dong on TV, but I still watch TV.

There is not as much "pure bred, cold filtered clean progressive" outdoor information as you might believe. The closest thing here is REI, but to be honest that store is just a high dollar fashion show to be seen wearing the latest name brand gear.

"military wannabes" that's not even clever, I'll bet you didn't go to "bulletproofdeisel.com" either......it just looked really scary. like I said, hiding in the storeroom behind the toilet paper probably DID make this seem like porn, but it's not. There is right and wrong in ALL forms of media. Think of the most reliable news outlet you follow, ...their information is not 100% correct, you can separate the good from the bad, right ?

I'm capable of separating the good from the bad.

[B Calm]

125. Got admit this post brought out a few FREEPERS, LOL

[datasuspect]

130. very cool

thanks for turning us on to that!

[LanternWaste]

134. Subtext of the cover picture is quite telling...

Quite the dystopic, post-apocalyptic, taken-from-crappy-science-fiction fantasy depicted on the cover.

Subtext is quite telling. Though I imagine many people with shallow imaginations will take it as "really cool!"

[LibertyLover]

136. Just looking at the articles listed on the cover

I think this is more a magazine intended for the prepper or survivalist factions of the Gun Nut group. Not that preppers and survivalists aren't any less crazy in love with guns than your usual Gun Nut, but they do have certain preferred options that a generalist Gun Nut might not care about.

[NM_Birder]

138. preppers, survivalists and Gun Nuts...oh my Toto, I don't think we are in kansas anymore.

[GreenStormCloud]

142. If that got you upset, this would really freak you out.

[Skip Intro]

143. Somebody's a blob of paranoia.

aaaahhhhhhh - pictures of guns!!!!!!!!!1!