Why aren't we able to get a real explanation of Saudi ties to 9/11?

[noise]

All this stuff about the necessity of endless war, torture is great, warrantless surveillance is awesome, indefinite detention is peachy, etc.

None of this police state garbage holds up when one realizes that the supporters of these tactics have no interest in being honest about what really happened in regard to 9/11 as it relates to US/Saudi relations.

Bob Graham, the former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, is on the record stating that there was a Saudi support network for the hijackers operating in the US. His theory is that Saudi government officials were trying to appease Bin Laden and gave him access to their network in exchange for Bin Laden not attacking inside Saudi Arabia. Saudi links to 9/11 were never properly investigated because it would have made some Saudi and US citizens rather uncomfortable. Some of the these US citizens were high level government officials who happen to be key advocates and cheerleaders of police state counterterrorism tactics.

[noise]

1. For the record

Government officials should not be able to constantly reference 9/11 to justify their ever expanding counterterrorism tactics when they have never had to account for their conduct before 9/11.

[arely staircase]

2. what specifically don't you know?

the 9/11 hijackers' connection to SA is well known, as well as the government's shielding of the bin Ladin family and others in the immediate aftermath, such as allowing them to fly out of the country. It is fucked up but I don't know of any mystery here.

[noise]

3. Why are US officials are protecting Saudi officials

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at the expense of 9/11 victims? Why US officials are promoting the necessity of police state counterterrorism policies when they know that the lack of such policies was not the issue in regard to the the failure to prevent 9/11. Why hasn't the Obama administration released 28 redacted pages of the JI 9/11 report which deal with Saudi links to the hijackers if the connection is well known?

The disconnect in the war on terror is off the charts. Which is one reason why so many people support Edward Snowden.

[arely staircase]

6. ok

what Saudi officials are being protected?

[reusrename]

10. You just said it's no mystery.

[arely staircase]

11. who (what saudi officials) are being protected? I know the

bin laden family was allowed to fly out of the country and they should have been questioned first, but who is being protected now?

[reusrename]

12. You're the one who claimed to know all about this, not me.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. 28 redacted pages from the commission report about Saudi government support

for the terrorists. Mystery is all there is.

[johnnyreb]

4. Here's some of my notes

...haven't kept up lately 'cause of the Royal Baby news.

Former Sen. Bob Graham will personally lobby President Obama to reopen the investigation
Sep 08, 2011
http://www.wusf.usf.edu/news/2011/09/08/bob_graham_wants_911_inquiry_reopened

6,600 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, Sept. 20, 2012:

"Until we get everyone who financed and supported 9/11, including the Saudis, we are not going to stop."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/on-behalf-of-the-911-families-united-to-bankrupt-terrorism-170555486.html

Scarborough ~ March 2011, on Bob Kerrey and Bob Graham supporting the families' decade-long lawsuit-that-nobody-ever-heard-of

Bill Maher interviews Bob Graham - 9/11 Saudi Connection
November 2008 - Sen. Bob Graham talks about government coverup involving the joint inquiry into the intelligence failure of September 11, 2001 which he was involved with. Important findings of the inquiry, including 28 pages dealing with Saudi financing to the terrorists were censored by the Bush administration before it's public release

Published on Sep 13, 2012
Senator Bob Graham reflects on the events of 9/11 and raises questions about the investigation that followed.

New evidence links Saudi Arabia to 9/11 hijackers: Graham
September 9, 2011
http://www.tampabay.com/news/new-evidence-links-saudi-arabia-to-911-hijackers-graham/1190773

History Commons:

28 Pages - The classified document in question is part of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, 28 pages that were redacted in the final report and concerned possible Saudi government support for two of the 9/11 hijackers (see August 1-3, 2003). The 28 pages were actually written by Jacobson and are obviously relevant to his and Leseman’s work at the 9/11 Commission, but Jacobson cannot remember every detail of what he wrote.
Stalled - Leseman therefore asks Zelikow to get her a copy, but Zelikow fails to do so for weeks, instead concluding a deal with the Justice Department that bans even 9/11 commissioners from some access to the Congressional Inquiry’s files (see Before April 24, 2003). Leseman confronts Zelikow, demanding: “Philip, how are we supposed to do our work if you won’t provide us with basic research material?” Zelikow apparently does not answer, but storms away. [Shenon, 2008, pp. 110-112]
Leseman Later Fired - Leseman later obtains the document through a channel other than Zelikow, and will be fired for this (see (April 2003)).
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0403zelikowblocksredacted#a0403zelikowblocksredacted

Kristen Breitweiser, an advocate for Sept. 11 families, whose husband was killed in the World Trade Center, said in an interview that during a White House meeting in February between President Obama and victims’ families, the president told her that he was willing to make the pages public.
But she said she had not heard from the White House since then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/middleeast/24saudi.html?_r=0

[catnhatnh]

16. Great Post!

Be careful-around here using facts can be dangerous. I don't want to be asking "Who shot JR?"

[defacto7]

7. Where is a good whistle blowing hacker when you need one?

[DeSwiss]

8. O.I.L.

- K&R

[truth2power]

17. Just for the heck of it, google, Booz Allen Hamilton Carlyle...

Wheels within wheels.

[elehhhhna]

19. then google carlyle bin laden

[blkmusclmachine]

9. Operation Northwoods ..

Operation Northwoods

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

15. my thought since the day it happened.

Edit to add: There wasn't a real investigation, just a coverup. The NY Fire Fighters want a REAL INVESTIGATION. And the mainstream media continue their performance for the money it pays.

[Alamuti Lotus]

13. You answer your own question

never properly investigated because it would have made some Saudi and US citizens rather uncomfortable. Some of the these US citizens were high level government officials who happen to be key advocates and cheerleaders of police state counterterrorism tactics.

Power tips the scales, always. Who do you propose "investigate" the powerful individuals you refer to with the above line? Peers and friends of the aforementioned or some other faction of prevailing interests? Nothing of the sort happens without actual change to the structure of power, which nobody involved will peacefully acquiesce in--therefore, nothing changes and nothing is decently investigated.

[Are_grits_groceries]

14. They don't want to give us one. nt

[Eddie Haskell]

18. And how about the dancing Israelis?

This thread will soon be censored, because the government's explanation cannot be questioned. Physics be damned.

[Igel]

20. Physics in 9/11 threads usually does feel damned.

Usually it escapes unharmed, however, so it's really more of "being sent to purgatory" than to hell itself.

However, there's no question that when it comes to physics in 9/11, knowledge most certainly is dammed. Little floodgates let out just and only what's needed to meet the demand while the rest is carefully held back lest it sweep away all the complex and convoluted structures built on the alluvial sand and silt.