Just can't beat up on Pelosi

[RobertEarl]

As much as she has acted weird, like her vote to keep on spying, I just can't bring myself to beat up on her.

She has been attacked again and again for doing things we agree on, and her political enemies are my political enemies.

As for the spy-evermore program, remember that Obama is for it, for now. Pelosi is not going to vote against Obama if she can help it. So what she has done is point out to the president the writing on the wall.

Pelosi will bring Obama around to where the two of them can stand together and truthfully claim: We did this. We ended the Bush spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program.

Just you watch.

[Dawgs]

1. Can't disagree. I like Pelosi.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

2. You, sir, are an extraordinary optimist.

[RobertEarl]

5. Yeah, well, gotta have some

I look long and hard and find some on occasion.

It's politics. Lawd knows there are some people who voted against me and have come to regret it, and I am a nobody. Obama be somebody.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

3. K&R. Pelosi is a national treasure. nt

[RobertEarl]

9. What do you think?

You think Pelosi will eventually vote to stop spying on you?

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

19. I think we should reign in intelligence gathering a bit, i.e. 2 hops instead of 3.

Hopefully they do some polling on the matter and see what will put Democrats out in front on this issue

[Fuddnik]

14. Fools gold and zircon.

[GeorgeGist]

4. Leading from behind ...

tastes more like chicken than chess.

[leftyohiolib]

6. im not so impressed with ms impeachment-is -off-the-table

[Cleita]

7. That's when she lost me. Too much of a triangulator, although I'm grateful

for the good things she has accomplished.

[RobertEarl]

8. That still hurts

Knowing the Bush people, there were extenuating circumstances.

Thing is, most of America agreed with her, including Senator Obama.

[LWolf]

29. That's when she lost my respect. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I am a confirmed cynic

So I don't expect nothing from pols anymore. I wish I could think that way...but between covering city hall and following the game for many years before that...

[RobertEarl]

12. Yaaa

But there comes a time when we have to focus. Either, or. Either fight just our foes, or fight everyone.

Pelosi, more or less, is not our foe as much as she is friend.

She knows the house. She saw the house voting against the spy-for-evermore program. It is back on the table.

[bemildred]

11. Policy over personalities, that's my view. I remember LBJ, the good and the bad.

I'll support the right policies from any politician willing to vote that way. Many true words are spoken through false teeth.

I'm not giving up on Obama either, but I certainly will tell him what I think.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. "We ended ..." Or did she and others convert the "Bush spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime

program" to the Obama spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program by joining others in financing it.

Billions of dollars, or trillions, or gazillions are being squander upon Obama's spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program. There is no way that she could have been unaware of the funds approved for this purpose.

It's not just that she immediately gave her impeachment-is-off-table statements after the 2006 when we trounced the Republicans and wanted the rule of law restored, it is that she has actively continued to finance the undermining of the rule of law.

How does anyone in their right mind think that spending gazillions of dollars to spy upon all Americans is more important than than building public schools, repairing American roads and bridges, and otherwise using tax dollars for the general good of Americans.

The Obama spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program when end with the election of the next president. Then it will be the Clinton spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program, or the Jeb Bush spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program, or whoever's spy-on-eveyone-anywhere-anytime program.

By approving of the funds, Pelosi has betrayed us all.

[RobertEarl]

17. Well

When she had control of the house, the house really did some good things. Were she in control of the house today (meaning more Democrats) things would be a bit different.

Besides, Obama, for now, is all for funding the spying. So is the repuglican leadership. And a very large portion of the citizenry. For now. That will all change.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

21. "a very large portion of the citizenry" are for the spy-upon-all-Americans program?

Well, as NSA's budget increases and the NSA employs more and more to spy upon Americans, the NSA employees undoubtedly are for the spy-upon-all-Americans program.

The prison-industrial complex, and their employees may be in favor of that as well.

The let's-get-rich-by-exploiting-inside-information politicians and persons related to them may also be in favor of that.

But a very large portion of the citizenry? In this country? And not East Germany or Russia? That seems to be just an unsupported assertion.

[RobertEarl]

30. Yes. Many, too many

Of course, since we know so few facts, most people are just shooting from the hip, partially still enamored of the Bush years.

[Egalitarian Thug]

15. What do we get when you're proven wrong? n/t

[RobertEarl]

18. More spying is what you'll get.

That ain't gonna happen. Too much Snowden falling in DC.

[Egalitarian Thug]

20. So, nothing. That's what I figured.

Do you guys ever get tired of backing people that are almost always wrong?

[RobertEarl]

23. Democrats are almost always wrong?

Who do you back?

We are going to see some serious changes in the spying program. I back that. Are you in?

[Egalitarian Thug]

31. Third way, centrists, pragmatists, law & order liberals, whatever you're calling yourselves

these days. You're wrong on every issue and everything you do makes the world a worse place for sane people to live in.

[avaistheone1]

16. It does shake Nancy up a bit when she meets the peeps and they are not showing her the love.

“People on the far right are saying oh, this is the fourth term of President Bush,” Pelosi said. “Absolutely, positively not so.”

Pelosi’s comments provoked the crowd, prompting conference attendees to boo and interrupt the lawmaker they previously looked up to. Security guards escorted one activist out of the conference room because he stood up and questioned Pelosi too loudly.

“It’s not a balance. It’s not constitutional!” shouted 57-year-old Marc Perkel from Gilroy, Calif., before being escorted out. “No secret laws!”

Several other activists walked out in support of the man, angry at the California Democrat’s remarks. Others shouted comments in support of Perkel, and expressed their opposition to the NSA surveillance program, with some calling the US a police state.

“Leave him alone! Secrets and lies! No secret courts! Protect the First Amendment,” the audience members shouted, according to the San Jose Mercury News.

“You suck!” one man yelled at Pelosi..snip

“We’re listening our progressive leaders who are supposed to be on our side of the team saying it’s OK for us to get targeted for online surveillance,” Jana Thrift of Eugene, Ore., told the San Jose Mercury News. “It’s crazy. I don’t know who Nancy Pelosi really is.”

http://rt.com/usa/pelosi-booed-nsa-wiretapping-171/

Nancy needs to meet with the peeps more. She legislates better when she does so.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

22. The spying gives top-level politicians inside information which they can exploit to gain more wealth

When she wants to hang around people who will show her the love, she just needs to get next to more of the super-rich.

[RobertEarl]

24. That is a big problem.

It is why we need at least another 435 house members. They are just too cozy in DC. I say we split each district in two and get twice as much representation. Maybe thrice is what we need?

In the meantime, Obama needs to see the writing on the wall. Pelosi sees it.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

25. This guy sees the writing on the wall?

[bemildred]

27. More is definitely better. nt

[forestpath]

26. No offense, but I think you're dreaming. The only thing Nancy cares about

is her insider-traded stock portfolio.

[RobertEarl]

28. Pelosi has done a lot

She can do more. She is no idiot and as long as her constituents keep electing her, she's the leader. As for the spying, she sees the house on the move. As for everything else, it is the system that needs foundational improvement. Pelosi is just a wind-vane on the top the system.