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On this day in 1946, the Bikini Atoll Baker nuclear test. Just look at this huge photo of it: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 OP
... Socal31 Jul 2013 #1
color vid Go Vols Jul 2013 #2
Those little floaty thingies are war surplus battleships. leveymg Jul 2013 #3
you mean in the middle of the "stem"? That's a battleship? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #5
That's a battleship standing on its nose. There's another one in there also, a bit to the left leveymg Jul 2013 #7
Thanks, and thanks for the picture graph. It's very educational. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #8
3D simulator by historian Alex Wellerstein from the American Institute of Physics bananas Jul 2013 #24
This is absolutely horrifying. bunnies Jul 2013 #13
Duck and Cover. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #4
That dark smudge you can see sharp_stick Jul 2013 #6
Am going to look to see if there's any recent modern photo journal of this area. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #9
Most of the larger ships, especially the battleships survived the air burst Lurks Often Jul 2013 #11
"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #10
OFFS! Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 #16
I understand you had no bad intentions. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #18
"Whoa, dude! That's a pretty little Pacific island! Why don't we just blast it to fuckin shreds?" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #12
That came later with Mike, and Castle Bravo tests. longship Jul 2013 #15
I just youtubed the castle bravo test. bunnies Jul 2013 #17
Castle Bravo == largest US bomb. longship Jul 2013 #19
Is it still the largest? bunnies Jul 2013 #20
thanks! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #21
Captured WWII Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen GlashFordan Jul 2013 #14
US Nuclear Weapons: The Secret History MicaelS Jul 2013 #22
I wish that one time had been enough. DonRedwood Jul 2013 #23
And there are still 17,300 of them ready to go. rug Jul 2013 #25
The films of these tests (including the biggest, the Tsar Bomba) are here... Archae Jul 2013 #26
Crazy >> El Supremo Jul 2013 #27
Every post-WWII nuclear device manufactured and evey such device detonated have made this indepat Jul 2013 #28

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Those little floaty thingies are war surplus battleships.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jul 2013

Notice the one standing straight up at the bottom of the water column - that's a battleship. But, Bikini was only a teenie weenie A-bomb about the size of the Trinity device. For scale, here are various bombs ranging up to a 50 megaton H-bomb. The thermonuclear bombs dwarf the little Bikini Atoll bugger, like an ant:



leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. That's a battleship standing on its nose. There's another one in there also, a bit to the left
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jul 2013

But note the mushroom cloud of an H-bomb is proportionally even bigger. Please see the chart I've added.

One can see why it's been essential to avoid World War III.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
24. 3D simulator by historian Alex Wellerstein from the American Institute of Physics
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:00 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014545466

Wellerstein said on his blog: 'We live in a world where nuclear weapons issues are on the front pages of our newspapers on a regular basis, yet most people still have a very bad sense of what an exploding nuclear weapon can actually do.'

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
6. That dark smudge you can see
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

at the lower right part of the mushroom cloud "chimney" is an anchored ship being blown out of the water. I think this was the only shallow underwater test done. The explosion was only 90 or so feet underwater resulting in massive radioactive fallout that they couldn't scrub from the remaining ships.

I've attached another picture and a link to the youtube video.




 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
11. Most of the larger ships, especially the battleships survived the air burst
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

surprisingly well under the circumstances. What really did the damage in the Baker test were the waves generated by the shallow explosion.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
10. "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

I know you did not control the dates, but the timing is convenient with all the NSA surveillance talk going on around here.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
16. OFFS!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jul 2013

I see a lot of historical photos in my Twitter timeline.
I post some that I find compelling for different reasons. Nobody compelled me to post it, and that quote never entered my mind. I also had no thoughts about the NSA.

The sites that tweet them send out many different type of photos. A lot of them are historical in nature.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
18. I understand you had no bad intentions.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jul 2013

I had thought my post would have made that clear.

But images do provoke feelings, maybe even feelings you did not intent them to provoke. I was just stating what I stated to stop anyone from walking down that path of fear that caused things such as the patriot act in the first place.

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. That came later with Mike, and Castle Bravo tests.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jul 2013

Baker was an A-bomb, Mike and Bravo were H-bombs. The Castle Bravo test ran away and endangered all the observers. It exposed Japanese fisherman who suffered radiation poisoning.

Horrible things.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
17. I just youtubed the castle bravo test.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jul 2013

Thats got to be the scariest thing Ive ever seen. Geezus. I cant believe those things are legal.

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. Castle Bravo == largest US bomb.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jul 2013

As I wrote, it ran away. The physicists missed an important cross-section that made it (as Richard Rhodes described) go like gangbusters.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
20. Is it still the largest?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jul 2013

My gods... I just watched the Russian Tzar test. I dont even know what to say.

 

GlashFordan

(216 posts)
14. Captured WWII Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jul 2013

Survived two atomic bomb tests. Reminds me of a 1970's era Mercedes diesel lol

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
22. US Nuclear Weapons: The Secret History
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jul 2013

By the late Chuck Hansen. If you can find a copy, I really recommend you read it.

Very rare book. You may find it at your library, but if not copies are out there if you're willing to pay the price. I spent $150 for my copy on eBay several years ago, it was an ex-Library copy and it is worth every penny. Words do not do this book justice. Detailed information on every US Nuclear Weapon at the time of publication (1988). Color and black and white pictures. Footnotes like you would not believe.

http://www.amazon.com/Us-Nuclear-Weapons-Secret-History/dp/0517567407

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hansen

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=428361480&searchurl=an%3DChuck%2BHansen%26prl%3D10.00%26recentlyadded%3Dall%26sortby%3D1%26sts%3Dt%26tn%3DU.S.%2BNuclear%2BWeapons%253AThe%2BSecret%2BHistory%26x%3D61%26y%3D17

http://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-Nuclear-Weapons-Secret-History-Chuck-Hansen-1988-Hardcover-/271212431345?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item3f258547f1

indepat

(20,899 posts)
28. Every post-WWII nuclear device manufactured and evey such device detonated have made this
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

such a much safer world for all living things on this fragile planet?

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