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Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:59 AM Jul 2013

I woke up today and President Barack Obama is still President of the United States of America

He is still leader of the free world--the leader of one of the most advanced industrial democratic societies the world has ever known.

Take that, FoxNews! Take that, haters! Take that, malcontents! Take that, racists of the U.S.

Barack Obama is one of the most eminently qualified men to take on this most challenging role, and he is hitting it out of the park despite the disgusting racism, mindless GOP opposition sending their approval ratings into negative numbers, and despite the peole who love nothing more than to carp and pick at every thing he does or says like a bunch of mean girls in middle school.

Good day, all. I said Good Day!

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I woke up today and President Barack Obama is still President of the United States of America (Original Post) Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 OP
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #1
You sound like you have anger issues Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #2
He can't reply to you in this thread once his post has been hidden davidpdx Jul 2013 #16
I posted my reply before his post was hidden Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #17
Oh, he didn't ride in on a horse. You know it was a unicorn! Hekate Jul 2013 #188
And a good day to you, too, sir! silverweb Jul 2013 #3
Cheers! And 3 cheers for Barack Obama! Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #4
You okay? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #6
Yep. Strident and ok. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #8
Three cheers for the four sections of the Bill of Rights destroyed on his watch! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #38
+1000 kath Jul 2013 #40
Destroyed on his watch Progressive dog Jul 2013 #51
It is the exact fucking definition from the FBI and the "patriot act". Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #79
"Obama talks out both sides of his mouth" - oh yeah, I see it ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #160
+1 Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #66
Lol! calimary Jul 2013 #190
lol... darkangel218 Jul 2013 #5
I accept your apology. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #7
Keep dreaming lol. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #9
Who are you rooting for in 2016--Wiz Khalifa? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #10
Im rooting for a true Democrat. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #12
Is that like a "real American"? You betcha Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #14
Lol darkangel218 Jul 2013 #15
perfect. haven't you heard.. Cha Jul 2013 #23
Yes! Pay no attention to any fact calling your opinion to question! Ignore all fact Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #33
+1 nt freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #36
You are grossly ignorant regarding geek tragedy Jul 2013 #85
^^That's it!! That's my favorite Facebook pic of President Obama!!^^ Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #131
Backatcha! Cha Jul 2013 #161
nice signature line!! :D Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #136
And, I woke up happy.. Cha Jul 2013 #164
Pass me some of those donuts, sir. I like sprinkles. Hekate Jul 2013 #189
+100000 nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #191
Please proceed! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #91
Wiz Khalifa... one_voice Jul 2013 #104
yeah..I have no idea why that rapper's name popped into my head Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #168
hitting it out of the park for who? the 1%? Corporations? cali Jul 2013 #11
So I take it you're not a fan of President Obama? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #13
so I take it that leaping to unfounded conclusions is a trait of yours. cali Jul 2013 #21
Avg CEO income up 40% since 2009, avg American earns less than they did in 1999. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #26
Yeah! He's such a powerful dictator, he can raise everybody's income all by himself! Amonester Jul 2013 #185
Ignorant hyperbole unless there are links to back that up, of course. People could jtuck004 Jul 2013 #192
the rising middle class in China and India should thank American politicians Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #194
He gets the responsibiltiy because he asked for it. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #213
I know and understand ALL that, but you don't seem to understand something: this House. Amonester Jul 2013 #199
I understand, and I apologize for my retort. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #215
I miss bill clinton Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #28
So you miss his signing of NAFTA or Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #77
no drones Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #81
We can all pick and choose, can't we? Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #84
opinion isn't bashing Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #88
Ruby Ridge happened in 1992. Clinton wasn't president until 1993 (nt) jeff47 Jul 2013 #102
yep. my bad on that one. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #117
That doesn't matter to the Clinton haters. Rex Jul 2013 #134
are you even reading? I have very little problem with Bill Clinton Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #135
Nothing worse than a Clinton hater. Rex Jul 2013 #144
so I see from this you aren't engaging in debate. just name calling. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #147
No you hate Bill Clinton, that is not a debate but a statement you made. Rex Jul 2013 #163
Operation Desert Fox. BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #106
yep. that too. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #114
Woo hoo! Trans-Pacific Free Trade! Austerity! Drilling! woo me with science Jul 2013 #18
Yes, such a wasted opportunity. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #186
Sure he "had the nation at his back." Except for every Republican politician; wingnut; racist; PUMA Hekate Jul 2013 #193
We will have to agree to disagree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #198
Courteous. Thanks. Hekate Jul 2013 #201
You really, really need to search DU and read Alan Grayson's words on the TPP Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #203
The issue was whether everybody had his back after he was elected. They didn't. Hekate Jul 2013 #204
The issue is the theft of the economy and our freedoms through Obama's own actions. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #205
I can tell you are really furious Hekate Jul 2013 #206
When the Constitution is being destroyed, when the nation is being handed over to Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #207
You've been shown the "other facts" but they don't penetrate. I don't need to reiterate them.... Hekate Jul 2013 #208
Ignore the destruction of the Bill of Rights on Obama's watch, ignore the destruction of the economy Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #209
You may have the last word.... Hekate Jul 2013 #211
What are words for, when no one listens anymore? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #212
But but she got her little retort in HangOnKids Jul 2013 #219
pretzel pretzel pretzel olddots Jul 2013 #19
are you Randal on The Superfical? Skittles Jul 2013 #20
I woke up this morning and saw that there are still people fooling themselves into thinking Obama Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #22
+1000000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #24
Thank You - Well Said cantbeserious Jul 2013 #29
+1 Scuba Jul 2013 #44
Great post! bigwillq Jul 2013 #58
Obama committed domestic terrorism? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #75
+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #132
"Holy shit, we have some hardcore nutjobs here." New to DU, are ye? Number23 Jul 2013 #216
Thank you. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #92
"Barack Obama is one of the most eminently qualified men to take on this most challenging role," bowens43 Jul 2013 #25
I sat down on my last break of the day... dtom67 Jul 2013 #27
And will be until Jan. 20, 2017. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #30
Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, unless we vote in numbers in both 2014 and 2016... Hekate Jul 2013 #195
Good Morning Pretzel_Warrior~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #31
You neglect to remember that most here were very ardent snappyturtle Jul 2013 #32
We have not had this elusive privacy in some time. juajen Jul 2013 #35
True. I grant you that. How is the President besieged? He has the snappyturtle Jul 2013 #43
Sorry, don't remember the " very ardent supporter" period emulatorloo Jul 2013 #67
You don't remember the President's first term? nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #73
Yes. And I remember DU then as well. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #82
My memory serves me a totally different picture. I know there was snappyturtle Jul 2013 #83
You remember correctly nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #105
no. I was here then. that comity lasted about a nanosecond Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #120
Yup BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #123
yeah. propaganda is a harder sell when people have good memories. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #124
you have the correct memory Skittles Jul 2013 #165
nope. that joy and common ground lasted literally about 2 months and started to unravel Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #167
FOR A REASON Skittles Jul 2013 #169
You are being too generous. He went under the bus 2 months before the inauguration when he stevenleser Jul 2013 #176
yes, now that you mention it...things were beginning to fray by then Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #184
You are EXACTLY right, Steven. Love the pathetic attempts to "whitewash" how this site has treated Number23 Jul 2013 #217
Not hardly. A contingent of folks were quite sure he had "promised" things... Hekate Jul 2013 #200
Yes, and emulatorloo is right about that too. Hekate Jul 2013 #197
LOL, this cracks me up. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #34
Funny in a pathetic way, tho. nt pecwae Jul 2013 #41
All the haters to this thread need to start their own party. Flame me, put me on ignore or mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #37
All the apologists in this thread need to admit that they're cali Jul 2013 #39
Well, good luck with that. One has not been found since the first President of the United States. mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #53
oooh, I love non sequiturs cali Jul 2013 #78
So say you. eom mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #113
Um, how is supporting Obama considered on an equal footing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #86
cali sheshe2 Jul 2013 #118
Anything Obama says or does is all right with you. That's quite a philosophy you have there. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #42
+1 nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #45
I never stated that I agree with everything, so twisting my words will not help. I mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #54
Throwing a shoe is one of the gravest insults one can offer in that country. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #80
And the pendulum swings both ways. eom mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #116
+ 100 cantbeserious Jul 2013 #56
Thanks for the update! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #46
Why do you care if someone doesn't like the president? bigwillq Jul 2013 #64
Because he is they and they are he bobduca Jul 2013 #94
I guess people take politicians too personally bigwillq Jul 2013 #99
Because when so called Democrats help Republicans make a Dem President unpopular, we get stevenleser Jul 2013 #220
K & R. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #47
And that's why there are head-explosions by some on DU BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #48
My goodness. That's a neat bit of projection cali Jul 2013 #50
On the contrary BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #55
Quite wrong. and isn't it interesting that you equate nearly all criticism of cali Jul 2013 #74
Incorrect assumption BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #97
The labels that liberals used to describe centrists here seem apt bobduca Jul 2013 #111
On DU, the definition of "centrist" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #119
Bottom Line is that you are offended by these characterizations and they sting bobduca Jul 2013 #121
see what you are doing? making shit up. if someone agrees with the president on ANYTHING Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #125
See what you are doing? bobduca Jul 2013 #170
Bottom line is that name-calling and faux "labeling" is not "criticism" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #126
Never a good idea to "agree to disagree" with the fifth column in our midst. bobduca Jul 2013 #171
Maybe the problem is the grade he earned is neither "A" nor "F"! Pholus Jul 2013 #49
this is a rather cogent point, but I think you're a bit off. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #127
Thank God he is!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #52
yes and look at the horrid state of the country! RAH RAH RAH not. boilerbabe Jul 2013 #57
i woke up this morning datasuspect Jul 2013 #59
I woke up today datasuspect Jul 2013 #60
And are being expanded upon most significantly. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #202
excellent creon Jul 2013 #61
I woke up today datasuspect Jul 2013 #62
I woke up today ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #65
I woke up today datasuspect Jul 2013 #63
AND Hillary will probably be President until 2021! Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #68
NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! bigwillq Jul 2013 #70
Anybody? OK, I'll give you Rahm Emanuel then. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #71
HA! That I did! bigwillq Jul 2013 #72
I love threads like these! bigwillq Jul 2013 #69
And a good day to you as well! Bluzmann57 Jul 2013 #76
. LWolf Jul 2013 #87
I honestly don't get threads like this senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #89
Then there is much you probably don't understand about DU or life Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #100
just read it bobduca Jul 2013 #115
Folks are free to post what they want. bigwillq Jul 2013 #109
thank you. and although I knew it would stir things up...the main point Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #122
I'm always happy when that happens! Aristus Jul 2013 #90
"mindless gop opposition" bobduca Jul 2013 #93
You funny nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #95
Yeah. That's exactly what I said Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #101
Well, I loved the American myth you put in there nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #103
I can drive for miles without any checkpoints in this country. I can vote by mail in Oregon Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #130
I like it that you think there are no checkpoints ever...in the country nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #156
you need to spend some time in Russia or China to understand Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #157
I grew up in a country in the depths of a dictablanda nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #158
Poking the Hornet's nest I see. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #96
this reminds me of the “k&r if you like Obama's smile!“ type threads. quinnox Jul 2013 #98
I woke up today and the USA is still the largest fascist oligarchy in the world. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #107
This is what they sent you to say while they work on the Larry Summers narrative? nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #108
Yeah I can't wait for a list of blue links full of his accomplishments bobduca Jul 2013 #110
BWAH! bigwillq Jul 2013 #112
We got spirit, yes we do. We got spirit, how 'bout you? mick063 Jul 2013 #128
Is brown nosing the 3rd Way method of holding his feet to the fire? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #129
I can build support for the president and his goals here AND write letters to him and Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #137
Why not here? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #138
because I refuse to be a part of a right wing echo chamber of demoralizing shit Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #141
No you would rather be a reactionary knee jerking apologist Rex Jul 2013 #143
you are making no sense now Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #148
generic last word reply bobduca Jul 2013 #172
Methinks you highly overestimate the impact of DU on voting results. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #145
So how many letters have you written? Rex Jul 2013 #142
not true. I have return correspondence in actual paper form from Barack Obama and Ron Wyden Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #146
Like I care. Rex Jul 2013 #149
it's fine if you don't believe me. you clearly don't believe in much. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #150
Why, because I called you on your garbage? Rex Jul 2013 #153
did I hurt your feelings because your opinions don't matter to me? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #155
Wow you cannot handle the insults, but can dish them out. Rex Jul 2013 #162
:D Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #166
Don't even bother. Seriously. Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #214
! Number23 Jul 2013 #218
Mean girls in middle school? Rex Jul 2013 #133
you're under the misapprehension I care what you think Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #139
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #140
Thank you to all who've participated on this thread. especially Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #151
Maybe he should act like it. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #152
I feel pretty good about it too! Just Saying Jul 2013 #154
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #159
I love Our President!!! Dagny_K Jul 2013 #173
Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #174
thank you for the kicks Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #175
You need attention I agree. Obvious. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #177
and thank you as well Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #178
You're welcome! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #221
First sentence true, second sentence meaningless. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #179
relatively speaking, yes there is. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #181
Saudi Arabia is a US ally. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #183
A)I know Saudi Arabia is an ally. Much in the way that Pakistan is an ostensible ally. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #196
I am stumped at this "free world." Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #180
He's undoubtedly our head of state and the person making final calls on diplomatic relations with Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #182
And he's still POTUS this evening. Good evening, Pretzel Warrior! Hekate Jul 2013 #187
Good old K n R Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #222
I woke up today Riftaxe Jul 2013 #210

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
2. You sound like you have anger issues
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jul 2013

You do believe he was democratically elected to a second term, right?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. He can't reply to you in this thread once his post has been hidden
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:57 AM
Jul 2013

It locks him out. Three hidden post, yeah I'd say he has an anger issue.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
17. I posted my reply before his post was hidden
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:03 AM
Jul 2013

Oh, and regardless of posts hidden, his post said "F Obama and the horse he rode in on".

Yeah, anger.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
188. Oh, he didn't ride in on a horse. You know it was a unicorn!
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jul 2013

Thanks for your OP, Pretzel Warrior!

Hekate

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
38. Three cheers for the four sections of the Bill of Rights destroyed on his watch!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:54 AM
Jul 2013

1: Domestic terrorism (as defined by the FBI and "patriot act&quot against US citizens for peacefully gathering to petition the government with grievance against the economic destruction wrought by banksters and corporations. SHUT UP AND WATCH TV is the message. March and meet hundreds of militarized police. SHUT UP AND GO HOME. 7400+ Occupiers arrested, two brought to within inches of death by militarized police. Force and threat of force against a civilian population for political purposes. And Obama continues to bail out Wall Street and the corps with our tax dollars to this day. Where is the outrage? Then the Supreme Court makes it illegal to protest on their grounds using words directly out of the 1st Amendment. Then Obama signs HR347 which makes it a Federal crime to protest where Secret Service are working (then he gives himself and George Bush lifetime SS protection...smell the trend?)
2: Shaky; under pressure
4: DHS can steal your personal electronics anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland =on a hunch=. So much for warrants, courts, reasonability. Zero right to privacy in the Bush/neocon surveillance state. Where is the outrage?
5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
6: The right to a speedy trial. Have you heard of Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?

When people gleefully gloss over the loss of our very founding documents and the freedoms they guarantee and cheer the guy doing it to them, high-fiving all the while....what the actual fuck!

Progressive dog

(6,905 posts)
51. Destroyed on his watch
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:42 AM
Jul 2013

Your first point about "domestic terrorism" is a bad joke, or do you have absolutely no knowledge of protests in American history?

Sounds to me like just another anti-Obama rant, where most of the substance of your post is either not true or outside of the President's defined authority.
And this

5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
would be outside his authority.
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
79. It is the exact fucking definition from the FBI and the "patriot act".
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:09 AM
Jul 2013

Force or the threat of force (arrest/courts/jail counts) against a civilian population for political purposes. Use your Google button.

If 5. is outside his authority, what is he doing to change it? Actions speak far more loudly than words. Like his bullshit about Trayvon Martin while calling the reknown unConstitutional racist Ray Kelly...well, Google that as well. 85% of stop and frisk (ruled unConstitutional) detainees were black or brown. Obama talks out both sides of his mouth; can't everyone see that yet?

And if that's the only call-out you can make on my multiple points, you are proving part of my point regarding those who WILL NOT SEE the facts of what is occurring in this country BECAUSE of Obama and his direct extension of the Bush/neocon agenda. FOUR PARTS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS. If Bush had done even one you'd be screaming your head off.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
160. "Obama talks out both sides of his mouth" - oh yeah, I see it
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

.
.
.

He's a well trained lawyer -

slicker than shit . .

but you know that already,

"doublespeak" - it's part of a lawyer's skill, and he is a good lawyer,

possibly more dangerous than idiot son when it comes to foreign relations,

AND domestic relations - This spying thing,

is not gonna have a happy ending;

but it will end.

Badly.

CC

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
12. Im rooting for a true Democrat.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:50 AM
Jul 2013

Whoever that may be. And keeping my fingers crossed he/she will not just talk the talk but will also walk the walk.

Enjoy your carnival in the meantime.

Cha

(297,317 posts)
23. perfect. haven't you heard..
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:33 AM
Jul 2013

President Obama's not a real Dem! much like we aren't real Americans.

The list goes on and on..

We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 221 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty

http://pctcblog.com/index.html/obama.html?utm_content=buffer2ce73&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

And, this is in spite of the gopropaganda obstruction machine.. and the profiteering left's propaganda machine.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
33. Yes! Pay no attention to any fact calling your opinion to question! Ignore all fact
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:40 AM
Jul 2013

that Obama is a Wall Street shill and does corporate bidding again and again and again while many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck...you may have missed this week that MacDonalds actually posted a recommendation that those not making enough at their job, get a second job. This is the reality while many cheer themselves into consensus reality and alienate all who can see through the energetic effort.

I voted for Obama and got this stupid NDAA section 1021 instead, which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation. And the DHS destroying the 4th Amendment with its "can seize your personal electronics along the entire border and up to 100 miles inland on a hunch" concept, with Occupy having faced what the FBI and "patriot act" define as domestic terrorism, eliminating the 1st Amendment, with the Supreme Court voting that you can't protest here in spite of the Constitution, with a court ruling that silence in court can be used against you, harming the 5th Amendment, with extra-judicial executions of US citizens...how much more of the US Constitution must be shredded by Obama before people say WHAT THE FUCK and do something?



THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY OR PURITY CONTEST. The Bush family and their neocon buddies are taking over the country and Obama is adding to their works!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
85. You are grossly ignorant regarding
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013
Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?


Section 1021 does NOT authorize any measures against US citizens. Federal courts have ruled this.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
131. ^^That's it!! That's my favorite Facebook pic of President Obama!!^^
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

I love that picture.
Thanks for putting it up here.

You are a fantastic person!!!

Cha

(297,317 posts)
164. And, I woke up happy..
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jul 2013

I even had a dream about him last night. He came in to do the dishes "because everyone else did all the cooking"! What a guy!

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
168. yeah..I have no idea why that rapper's name popped into my head
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jul 2013

maybe his look and major pot smoking habit...who knows?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. hitting it out of the park for who? the 1%? Corporations?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:48 AM
Jul 2013

How are the working poor doing? How about the middle class?

And that you think that people who criticize him are "a bunch of mean girls" is just pathetic.

Carry on with your adoration.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
13. So I take it you're not a fan of President Obama?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:50 AM
Jul 2013

He doesn't quite rise to the level of being worthy of your respect?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. so I take it that leaping to unfounded conclusions is a trait of yours.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:26 AM
Jul 2013

I respect President Obama. I don't have respect for many of his policies. I know this might be difficult for you to grasp, but it's not that novel a concept.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
26. Avg CEO income up 40% since 2009, avg American earns less than they did in 1999.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:57 AM
Jul 2013

Might have a little to do with it...

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
185. Yeah! He's such a powerful dictator, he can raise everybody's income all by himself!
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jul 2013

Really! It's posted here daily so it's true.

He's such a mean guy that he takes pleasure in not ordering any raise for anyone!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
192. Ignorant hyperbole unless there are links to back that up, of course. People could
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jul 2013

have earned it on their own, and the wealthy could have been made to pay their taxes. But that would take a government more interested in protecting the working people instead of underwriting their wealthy friends and protecting that wealth, among them the bankers that donated so heavily to the 2008 election. Banks whose ongoing criminal enterprise destroyed the lives of tens of millions of people, and continue to do so as they reap the benefits of $85 billion a month to the primary dealers, reporting a 2nd quarter profit of $20 billion, while children cry when they leave school on Friday, knowing they won't have anything to eat until they get back to school on Monday...



Some people see that as a success. I think it's shameful that we let billionaires avoid taxes and give these people less to eat than we contract to pay private prisons to feed people.

We don't have to have tens of millions of people grubbing for too few crappy jobs, and people trying to sell it as good news when 70,000 of the 195,000 jobs in our last report pay less than $15/hr, while in the same report it shows a net loss of over 200,000 full-time jobs and a 14.3% U6 unemployment rate.

He chose his side. "Obama to Bankers: I’m Standing ‘Between You and the Pitchforks’" Here.

It didn't have to be this way...and I don't have to like it. Your opinion differs, clearly you have other concerns.

Btw, the adolescent and snide pictures above mean nothing to me.








 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
194. the rising middle class in China and India should thank American politicians
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jul 2013

because the great global equalizing is occuring which is why the jobs situation in this country is so shitty. This started long before Obama. Not sure why he's the only one who gets responsiblity for stopping this 120 car freight train of jobs out of the country.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
213. He gets the responsibiltiy because he asked for it.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:58 AM
Jul 2013

But you are correct, it started long before him. In the early 1900's, when Democrats, and Gompers of the AFofL, and others helped business kill off the people who thought the power should be with the people, that what was good for business (i.e. the greedy capitalist) was good for America. For several decades, as long as there were natural resources and people to easily exploit, countries to rebuild that we had bombed into oblivion, or countries that stayed in the past, that worked to our advantage.

But about the time Carter came along, while telling told us that we needed to grow up and take control of our economy and act like adults, quit spending so freely, the world started exerting itself. Americans forgot what had gotten them to the point they were at, threw it all out the window, rejected Carter and put RR in the WH. And the time of living on the plantation began in earnest.

Bill Clinton signed NAFTA,a horrible piece of legislation which shut down factories all over the place and began a wholesale process of replacing good jobs with shitty ones, too preoccupied with blow jobs from an intern to tell the country that it would require 20 or 30 times the investment we were going to make in retraining and retooling to simply stay competitive, which is partly why tens of millions of people are vying for even fewer McJobs today. Even worse, he then signed the Securities Modernization Act, on the advice of Larry Summers. That legislation allowed the banks to hide the transactions which ultimately led to our current financial crisis.

Clinton acknowledges that error. From an interview "I asked former President Bill Clinton if he thought he got bad advice on regulating complex financial instruments known as derivatives from his former Treasury Secretaries, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. He acknowledged that he was wrong to take the advice of those advising him against regulating derivatives." He said he regretted Larry Summers' advice. I am guessing a hundred million other people regret it too.

So back to your question. Obama? Knowing what we know, and after putting Ben Bernanke into place, who protected the banks and the assets of the billionaires we call the 1% to the clear detriment of tens of millions of people, Obama now wants to appoint Larry Summers to that same job, giving this person who was directly responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people the keys to our economic future.

It, perhaps, didn't have to be this way. He could have told the banks that helped him get elected that their money wasn't going to keep him from staffing the FBI with forensic accountants (which he could have called for) and investigating the same criminal behavior which sent S&L officers to prison just a few years ago. He could have chosen to stand in front of the American people and tell them they had been snookered, but that he was going to work on their side. That he knew it was going to be hard, but that the alternative was that, just like Abraham Lincoln was afraid of and warned, the finance people, (banks back then), would take over our lives and turn us all into slaves. He could have called for a hundred million people to take to the streets and take their lives back from the bastards that now own them.

It would have been the greatest community organizing project of all time, and we would have been unstoppable.The bankers would have been in jail, people would be in school learning new things, people would be working, this terrible and costly inequality would be far less the tragedy that it is, and we could have shown the world our promise. But he didn't. Instead he cashed the checks, makes his speeches, and our economy is clearly and without question markedly increasing the wealth of those with the most, on the backs of those with the least. In so doing he gave away the power that it would have taken to get sensible gun control, to keep women's health clinics open, to jail the criminals that we are paying billions in profits to keep them fat and happy, to take a leadership position in addressing the global climate issues (which, if the latest information coming out is any indication, may make all this moot within the lifetime of the children I see on the playground across the street). It also gave new life and vigor to the Republican Party, and the lever they needed to bring most any progress forward to a screeching halt.

Are there some people that are better off because of some of the things that have been done during these past few years, Unquestionably. Is the price worth it? That's the question. Some people will certainly get health care that didn't have it before, but the insurance companies, judging by their stock performance, stand to make a killing. (Back to What's Good for Business is Good For America). And the reason that profit flows to the insurance companies instead of in benefits to the people, as Social Security did, is because the power, that could have been seized at the beginning of this presidency, wasn't. Better rights for the LGBT community, a few other things - he can take some credit for no longer standing in the way, but most of that groundwork was done by other people. Unemployment is a disaster - ask the DUer in the other forum who has been out of work for 3 years - and there are tens of millions of families and individuals just like him, and their future is very likely to be living in near poverty on a part-time job, or a full-time position from which there will be very little to help fund any kind of investment in our country as was done in past decades, so a gradual decline. Compared to what could have been done, had we started repairing the people instead of building outwards from the boardroom of Goldman Sucks, I mean $achs, some of the accomplishments seem almost like those balloons that businesses put on roofs, that must be filled with hot air to look as large as they do.

The reason people hold Obama responsible is because of the decisions he has made, and is making. It is the direction he stand up and talks about every time he speaks. As in the speech last night, others make excuses and point fingers in a vain attempt to explain away what could have been, and what we are left with.

I get that this is how some people do politics, and they fervently believe this is how it must be. But I think they are only convincing themselves, and we are smaller for it. The history books won't include their point of view, and I think it will look much different in retrospect.

But hey, I just help people with dogs...

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
199. I know and understand ALL that, but you don't seem to understand something: this House.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jul 2013

Yeah, that House FULL of reteaglicans will never, ever, and forever, let him succeed at ANYTHING aimed at improving the lives of millions of struggling Americans EVER, no matter how long any one would whine and moan about it on the intertubes.

Do You Copy?

In fact, complaining, whining and moaning is exactly WHAT THEY WANT AS ITS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR STRATEGY for 2014.

Breaking news: they've got nothing else than AUSTERITY 2 to run with. NOTHING ELSE.


Sorry for the caps (emphasis).

You're preaching to the choir here, BTW.

Won't bring any change much (never did, yet).

So what are you going to do beside complaining?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
215. I understand, and I apologize for my retort.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:18 AM
Jul 2013

I started a non-profit and brought a town together to work alongside each other and improve their lives by spaying and neutering their animals. Stopped the killing for a year. (their police take troublesome animal to the woods and shoot them). And when I get more money and time I will do more of that.

I work some, lately more with computers like I used to, and in my travels I try to enlighten people as to history, and feed them things that help them question who is telling them what and how those people profit from it, a bit about how we got where we are and how they might get off the plantation by working with their neighbors.

Still looking for a model to help push a another co-op, some way to show as employed people who have been unemployed for a long time, so they can have a current job on their resume, or maybe just a way help them teach themselves a new skill for the years we have coming up.

And I vote. Every time I get chance. Sometimes even for people whose party's grand strategy appears to be finger-pointing and name-calling.

I'm only one of 312,000,000 people, but I do try to put in my .000000003205~ cents worth.





 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
84. We can all pick and choose, can't we? Ruby Ridge, Waco, and
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jul 2013

Timorhy McVeigh along with the civil liberties reduced in their wake--all under Clinton.

See, I actually liked Clinton and thought he did well despite his own personal failings but I'm just pointing out anyone can play the game Obama detractors in here do.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
134. That doesn't matter to the Clinton haters.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

Funny how he likes Obama, but cannot stand Bill Clinton. Says all I need to know about the OP. Just another mindless RAH RAH thread.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
135. are you even reading? I have very little problem with Bill Clinton
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jul 2013

the point was obviously WHOOOOSH!! over your head. My point was even though many here can look back fondly to what Bill Clinton DID accomplish, it is still true there are many progressive goals he never came near to achieving and many "authoritarian" and what some would say are war mongering and anti privacy efforts his administration was responsible for.

I use the other posters fond memory of Clinton to point out how someone today can have problems with certain things Obama is doing or not doing but still have high regard for what he IS accomplishing and see him for the great president he is.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. Woo hoo! Trans-Pacific Free Trade! Austerity! Drilling!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:10 AM
Jul 2013

Race to the Top!

Private Prisons!

Fracking!

Kill Lists!

Double Taps!

Surveillance of every single American!

Woot! Woot!

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
186. Yes, such a wasted opportunity.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jul 2013

He could have been the best President we have ever had and set it up for many more Dem Presidents.
He had the nation at his back. It breaks my heart.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
193. Sure he "had the nation at his back." Except for every Republican politician; wingnut; racist; PUMA
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jul 2013

... and except for every "conservative" talk show host; Naderite; Kucinich-ite; Tavis Smiley-ite and Cornel West-ite. The GOP who got together the day he took the Oath of Office to take an oath of their own: to oppose every single thing he proposed no matter how necessary to the nation it might be -- they sure had Obama's back, and they were sharpening their knives while deciding which ribs to slip them through.

I do remember how "unified" DU itself was during the campaigns. It was heartwarming to read how Obama was not black enough, not angry enough, not promising the right things (incidentally he never promised any such thing as single payer health care; if the words "It would be nice IF" ever crossed his lips, I'm sure he's repented a thousand times).

Then as soon as he took office, DU and the Left certainly had his back while they raved about broken promises of things that were supposed to happen on the first day, the first month, etc. While the GOP stood solidly against everything he actually had promised.

Oh, I almost forgot how unified we all were in 2010 when so many Dems decided to stay home or vote 3rd party to show their dissatisfaction, as if we had a Parliamentary system, which oddly, we do not.

The man has made some -- perhaps even many -- mistakes. But if there's a "wasted opportunity" for greatness it wasn't due to him.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
203. You really, really need to search DU and read Alan Grayson's words on the TPP
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

then go back and ask yourself how Obama could possibly support it, much less allow it to be kept so secret that only one Congressman got to read it after having to work to get the opportunity.

Alan Grayson TPP Secret Treaty “This Hands Sovereignty of Our Country Over to Corp Interests"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049340

Sure, Obama is against handing sovereignty of our country over to corporate interests. Sure.



Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900

"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."


8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill

"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasn’t mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is what’s known as “tax extenders”, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.

5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters – Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so that’s saying something. According to David Cay Johnston’s The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."


The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama

Yes, Virginia, the Rich Continue to Get Richer: the Top 1% Got 121% of Income Gains Since 2009
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/yes-virginia-the-rich-continue-to-get-richer-the-1-got-121-of-income-gains-since-2009.html

U.S. banks in 2012 post highest profits since '06
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-usa-fdic-earnings-idUSBRE91P0N820130226?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=de8376aab3-DD_2_27_132_27_2013&utm_medium=email#.US5jjkXSlU8.twitter

This Year’s Subsidy to Wall Street = the Amount of This Year’s Sequester Cuts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/this-years-subsidy-to-wall-street-the-amount-of-this-years-sequester-cuts.html#.US_yiFwwnHY.facebook

Don’t Blink, or You’ll Miss Another Bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100466032

America faces more than a dozen deadlines, all caused by billionaires and wealth transfer
http://americablog.com/2013/02/america-faces-more-than-a-dozen-deadlines-all-caused-by-billionaires-and-wealth-transfer.html

Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/09-5

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
205. The issue is the theft of the economy and our freedoms through Obama's own actions.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jul 2013

His specific, "I made this" actions. Kill lists. Extra-judicial execution of US citizens. Twice signing the NDAA section 1021 providing for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation (destruction of the 4th and 6th Amendments). Of continuing to sign bailouts for banks and corporations while "austerity" is forced upon the little guy. Of giving appointments to legendary foe of worker's rights, billionaire Penny Pritzker and discussing Summers (another Wall Street deregulator) for a Fed position. Drone strikes killing children in five or more countries with whom we are not at war.

The list is astonishing. Too many here are JUST FINE with it. Which ain't democratic at all.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
206. I can tell you are really furious
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:02 AM
Jul 2013

I just do not agree with you or what I see as your hyperbole. We can agree to disagree.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
207. When the Constitution is being destroyed, when the nation is being handed over to
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:06 AM
Jul 2013

plutonomists and the Bush family and neocons, I get angry and tell people about it. No matter who is doing it.

How about some facts to go with your opinion?



Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900

"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."


8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill

"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasn’t mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is what’s known as “tax extenders”, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.

5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters – Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so that’s saying something. According to David Cay Johnston’s The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."


The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama

Yes, Virginia, the Rich Continue to Get Richer: the Top 1% Got 121% of Income Gains Since 2009
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/yes-virginia-the-rich-continue-to-get-richer-the-1-got-121-of-income-gains-since-2009.html

U.S. banks in 2012 post highest profits since '06
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-usa-fdic-earnings-idUSBRE91P0N820130226?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=de8376aab3-DD_2_27_132_27_2013&utm_medium=email#.US5jjkXSlU8.twitter

This Year’s Subsidy to Wall Street = the Amount of This Year’s Sequester Cuts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/this-years-subsidy-to-wall-street-the-amount-of-this-years-sequester-cuts.html#.US_yiFwwnHY.facebook

Don’t Blink, or You’ll Miss Another Bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100466032

America faces more than a dozen deadlines, all caused by billionaires and wealth transfer
http://americablog.com/2013/02/america-faces-more-than-a-dozen-deadlines-all-caused-by-billionaires-and-wealth-transfer.html

Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/09-5


I am okay with NONE of the above, and that only scratches the surface of Obama's collusion with the Plutonomy and doesn't even touch upon the loss of four sections of the Bill of Rights.

1: Domestic terrorism (as defined by the FBI and "patriot act&quot against US citizens for peacefully gathering to petition the government with grievance against the economic destruction wrought by banksters and corporations. SHUT UP AND WATCH TV is the message. March and meet hundreds of militarized police. SHUT UP AND GO HOME. 7400+ Occupiers arrested, two brought to within inches of death by militarized police. Force and threat of force against a civilian population for political purposes. And Obama continues to bail out Wall Street and the corps with our tax dollars to this day. Where is the outrage? Then the Supreme Court makes it illegal to protest on their grounds using words directly out of the 1st Amendment. Then Obama signs HR347 which makes it a Federal crime to protest where Secret Service are working (then he gives himself and George Bush lifetime SS protection...smell the trend?)
2: Shaky; under pressure
4: DHS can steal your personal electronics anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland =on a hunch=. So much for warrants, courts, reasonability. Zero right to privacy in the Bush/neocon surveillance state. Where is the outrage?
5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
6: The right to a speedy trial. Have you heard of Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?

Being quiet about the actual theft of the economy and the destruction of our guaranteed freedoms is not the answer!!!

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
208. You've been shown the "other facts" but they don't penetrate. I don't need to reiterate them....
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:11 AM
Jul 2013

Attack attack attack if you wish, but we can still agree to disagree with one another and share space on the same board.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
209. Ignore the destruction of the Bill of Rights on Obama's watch, ignore the destruction of the economy
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:17 AM
Jul 2013

as Obama legislates it to Plutonomists...what does it take to penetrate, to provide awareness and acceptance of such horror?

IT IS NOT ALRIGHT. Not if Bush did it, not when Obama does it. Supporting this monster is to support the destruction of this very country, and it's not because some people don't have his back. Obama is personally signing the legislation. Personally. It's not attack, it's fact which some are savagely determined to ignore and ridicule as if that will make it go away and somehow save the democratic party.

Obama's own personal actions are driving people away from the democratic party. Many Americans are smart enough to understand what he's doing to them. Want votes in 2016? Stop Obama today!

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
212. What are words for, when no one listens anymore?
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:22 AM
Jul 2013


I don't want "the last word"; I want you to LISTEN and GET what is wrong, and to join those willing to save the country from it.
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
22. I woke up this morning and saw that there are still people fooling themselves into thinking Obama
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:26 AM
Jul 2013

is a democrat. Despite the hilarious pile of easily-searched evidence to the uncontestably blatant contrary.

I woke up this morning and 7400+ Occupiers had been victims of domestic terrorism by the Obama administration for peaceably assembling to petition the government with grievance over the economy and the factors contributing to it. I woke up this morning and THIS still hadn't changed, except perhaps further in favor of the Plutonomy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3331831

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
75. Obama committed domestic terrorism?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:26 AM
Jul 2013

Holy shit, we have some hardcore nutjobs here. Like Sarah "Pals around with terrorists" Palin on steroids.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
25. "Barack Obama is one of the most eminently qualified men to take on this most challenging role,"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:45 AM
Jul 2013

well in that case he has proven qualifications are meaningless, he's been pretty much a disaster across the board if you're even slightly left of center

dtom67

(634 posts)
27. I sat down on my last break of the day...
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:02 AM
Jul 2013

P Here on the wonderful midnight shift and saw yet another post of the " ridicule all dissenters" variety. Luckily, it is not tucked away in a "Sacred Cow " discussion group, so let's talk about the President.
Don't care about the President. People like Jamie Dimon have more power than a US President these days.
And where is this" free world" you are talking about? How many drones do they have overhead? How many government agencies are spying on them there? Do they get due process there? What is the wealth gap there?
Had to chime in, get my name on malcontent list.

Break s over....

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
195. Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, unless we vote in numbers in both 2014 and 2016...
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jul 2013

... and otherwise get our shit together.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
31. Good Morning Pretzel_Warrior~
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:29 AM
Jul 2013
LIST: Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments~ First Term

Everyone has one of ʻthoseʼ kinds of friends, either on the left or the right - people who keep complaining that no matter what President Obama has done, they still don't seem to believe he's done anything at all.

Now, thanks to the hard-working and talented team at one of our favorite sources, Washington Monthly, there's a list of President Obama's Top 50 accomplishments you can helpufully show to the doubters. Team Randi hopes this is just a starting list from Mr. Obama's first term - what Paul Glastris at Washington Monthly calls 'President Clinton's third term'.

Read Paul's cover story, and check out a few of our favorites from Obama's 'Top 50' list, below.

Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?article=9880240#ixzz2a3GjDdyl


http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/12369/03/12369_1331401414.pdf

Thank you for your OP~
K&R

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
32. You neglect to remember that most here were very ardent
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:37 AM
Jul 2013

supporters of the President. Do you wonder why that there is criticism? Here's something to ponder: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017133965 Listen at 11:20 when Chris Hedges go on to say we are the most watched, surveilled, etc. population on earth.....ever! Do you not realize that the White House did not support the Amash/Conyers amendment voted on in the House yesterday?

If we allow our privacy to be taken it will no matter how we feel about race issues, LGBT issues, abortion issues, ad infinitum....because our information will be used to control us. This NSA policy is at the core of our system....to keep us freely able to dissent. We're losing that. So, enjoy your 'advanced democracy' while you still have it. My allegiance to freedom granted in the Constitution rises above party. That is not to say I have lost all confidence that the party could be turned to support our guaranteed freedoms....in every way. imho

juajen

(8,515 posts)
35. We have not had this elusive privacy in some time.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:50 AM
Jul 2013

DU has been talking for years about "Agent Mike" listening in to every post on our forum.

Not sure what our besieged President could have done, but am still waiting for fallout.

He certainly didn't instigate all of these programs, and looks at it from a different perspective than almost all of us.

Whole lot of "judging" going on!

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
43. True. I grant you that. How is the President besieged? He has the
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:08 AM
Jul 2013

stage if he wants it, case in point, the White House came out against the Amash/Conyers amendment. I also agree that the President looks at surveillance from a different perspective under the guise of national security, you know, that catch-all term that usually means something unconstitutional is happening. I guess I'm old fashioned and prefer the methods of gathering intelligence on an individual basis when ample suspicion can call for a warrant. Not this collecting data pre-emptively, just in case, don't you know. imho

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
67. Sorry, don't remember the " very ardent supporter" period
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:30 AM
Jul 2013

I remember lots of hatchet jobs by paid fake Leftists like BetterBelieveIt being recommended thru the roof though.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
82. Yes. And I remember DU then as well.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jul 2013

Same folks posting the same old shit, except for those who got banned.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
83. My memory serves me a totally different picture. I know there was
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jul 2013

a lot of problems during the candidate selection process, particularly between Hillary and Barack supporters, but once the President was elected, it seemed to me all hands were on deck for his success. imho

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
105. You remember correctly
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jul 2013

People cried out of joy when he went to the park in Chicago.

For me the luster ended with dropping single payer from the discussion...next day I became an independent. As a reporter that is best.

I still voted for him in 2012... Come 2016, given recent events, I might sit out...or just vote my heart. National elections, as far as policies influencing the mic, it maes no difference.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
120. no. I was here then. that comity lasted about a nanosecond
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

once the GOP started stonewalling stimulus, etc. the purists on here started to sharpen their knives about what a caving DLC'er Republican-Lite DINO Obama was. We're talking within the first couple of months.

it only got worse from there in 2009 as Single Payer purists flipped a lid about any compromise on health care.

Oh, we remember.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
123. Yup
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jul 2013

where the stimulus "wasn't big enough" and Krugman was suddenly deified and cited early and often by the all-or-nothing crew, who salivated over kicking millions off of unemployment in the name of principle, until such time when Krugman finally figured out how a bill becomes a law, and then under the bus he went.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
124. yeah. propaganda is a harder sell when people have good memories.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

that's why "the memory hole" was so important to big brother or any mass of people who want us to avoid facts and actual events and just focus on what they are spouting at the moment as the eternal truth.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
176. You are being too generous. He went under the bus 2 months before the inauguration when he
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

announced his first few cabinet picks.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
184. yes, now that you mention it...things were beginning to fray by then
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

I just for some reason remember a month or two into actual presidency people kind of went ape shit when their pet project/issue wasn't dispatched immediately.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
217. You are EXACTLY right, Steven. Love the pathetic attempts to "whitewash" how this site has treated
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:23 AM
Jul 2013

this president.

He got thrown under the bus before he even got sworn in for his first term.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
200. Not hardly. A contingent of folks were quite sure he had "promised" things...
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:21 AM
Jul 2013

... things that he would get done the very moment he took office. All of them at once. He was gonna. And when reality set in (such as the GOP 100% refusing to do anything helpful) these same people flamed him so hard here that I'm still trying to blow the ashes off my screen.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
37. All the haters to this thread need to start their own party. Flame me, put me on ignore or
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:52 AM
Jul 2013

curse me like you do the president. I do not really care. I am an Obama supporter with the good and bad. When you find your perfect candidate let Rush and Hannity know. I am sure they will appreciate your loyalty.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
39. All the apologists in this thread need to admit that they're
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:55 AM
Jul 2013

supporting vile shit because the President has a D after his name and for no other reason.

No one is looking for perfect, just a wee bit better.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
53. Well, good luck with that. One has not been found since the first President of the United States.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jul 2013

I wouldn't suggest holding your breath.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
78. oooh, I love non sequiturs
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jul 2013

and look, if you're gonna call those of us who criticize the President's policies haters, you're gonna get it back in kind from me. Apologist is less offensive terminology than hater.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
86. Um, how is supporting Obama considered on an equal footing
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

with accusing him of being a "domestic terrorist."

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
118. cali
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

from your words post #21

so I take it that leaping to unfounded conclusions is a trait of yours.


I would say you're doing that here with this statement

All the apologists in this thread need to admit that they're

supporting vile shit because the President has a D after his name and for no other reason.


Sorry but don't presume to know all about "us"
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
42. Anything Obama says or does is all right with you. That's quite a philosophy you have there.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:03 AM
Jul 2013

Do you not perceive the complete lack of an open mind, and how that may scare away those capable of discrimination?

When republicans followed Bush without any question whatsoever, we jeered at them righteously. How is this any different at all, and how is it not also deserving of the same treatment?

And that you are unwilling to even attempt to parse the genuine loss of freedom as the Constitution is slowly dismantled, much less than that all of this mess is directly from Bush, and that somehow Obama is adding to it...

Seeing all of this, why should people not flee the democratic party in fear and disgust? BTW, I voted for Obama (but I am capable of seeing that he is a complete betrayer working for the enemy). And I'll fight that bullshit be it from republicans or democrats who are republicans.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
54. I never stated that I agree with everything, so twisting my words will not help. I
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:52 AM
Jul 2013

said as a supporter, I take the good with the bad. Sure he has done things I don't agree with, but I don't resort to bashing from the Monday morning couch. I disagreed with the majority of the policies of the Bush administration, but when I saw an individual in another country throwing a shoe at the President of the United States, I was incensed. Respect cost nothing.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
80. Throwing a shoe is one of the gravest insults one can offer in that country.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jul 2013

Considering the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq over an invasion for oil, it's an exceptionally well-deserved trifle.

You mistake the office of the president of the united states with some of the monsters who have taken it (and by Bush, I mean that literally).

Blind allegiance is very dangerous and very very useful to the monsters. You're not winning me over with your further opinion!

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
64. Why do you care if someone doesn't like the president?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:26 AM
Jul 2013

Do we all have to? Do you like EVERY democrat?

You can love the president all you want. Fine by me. But some don't, and that's ok too.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
94. Because he is they and they are he
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jul 2013

and we are all together koo koo ca choo.

Less lyrically, they have gone and confused their own interests with that of the man who is president. The personal and the political are intertwined such that if you attack anything he says or does, you are attacking them, personally.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
99. I guess people take politicians too personally
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jul 2013

There's folks that I like and if you criticize them, so be it. I am not that personally attached to anyone in power.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
220. Because when so called Democrats help Republicans make a Dem President unpopular, we get
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:58 AM
Jul 2013

a Republican President in the next election.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
50. My goodness. That's a neat bit of projection
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:41 AM
Jul 2013

the heads exploding appear to be those of you who freak out over every criticism of the President and who defend policies that they'd savage were they from a repub President.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
55. On the contrary
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:53 AM
Jul 2013

There is more bashing of the President on DU than bashing of the loony and obstructionist rightwing Congresscritters. It's quite remarkable that a so-called "progressive" site is littered with libertarians and extremists.

There is constructive criticism from a tiny fraction of DUers and then there is the daily hate-filled invective that completely negates any constructive criticism that was purportedly the goal.

Fortunately DU is not a reflection of the general populace when it wallows in lala land.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
74. Quite wrong. and isn't it interesting that you equate nearly all criticism of
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jul 2013

the President's policies with "bashing". I see very little hate toward the President, though there is some.

The fact is that many of us totally reject the republicans and an ancillary to that is that we reject republican type policies wherever they come from- like the TPP, TPA and chained CPI.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
97. Incorrect assumption
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jul 2013

but you knew that, right?

Calling individuals "authoritarians" or "totalitarian" or the other such hyperbolic nonsense that has littered DU to the exclusion of much eise, is not "criticism" by a long shot, unless one is a junior high school Mad magazine reader.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
111. The labels that liberals used to describe centrists here seem apt
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:19 PM
Jul 2013

Not ad-hominems or cutesy nicknames but rather accurate labels describing repeated behavior.

Logical fallacy is the stock and trade of "compromise" based politics.

Apologist is someone who writes on behalf of a position. An Authoritarian is someone who always sides with authority, and uses the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority, among other fallacious rhetoric.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
119. On DU, the definition of "centrist"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

has become anything liberal or progressive that's not extreme "leftist".

Bottom line, the continual use of this sort of "labeling" accompanied by nonsensical definitions of such, is nothing but an admission of poor debate skills.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
121. Bottom Line is that you are offended by these characterizations and they sting
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jul 2013

accurately describing behavior is not a personal attack.

A Centrist is someone who believes that republicans are right when trying to elect a democrat in a "Red" district. It is the fig leaf that covers the embarrassing levers of elite power.

A Centrist is someone intent on amassing political power with no ability or intent to change the status quo.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
125. see what you are doing? making shit up. if someone agrees with the president on ANYTHING
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jul 2013

he is labeled an authoritarian by the juvenile here. Quit pretending it is not so.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
126. Bottom line is that name-calling and faux "labeling" is not "criticism"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jul 2013

It shows the lack of ability to posit an argument without accepting that others may disagree. I.e., there are always shades of gray and too many on DU refuse to accept that. I.e., folks refuse to "agree to disagree".

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
49. Maybe the problem is the grade he earned is neither "A" nor "F"!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:38 AM
Jul 2013

When I was going to college some of my upper level classes got real small. One had just myself and one other person. The teacher used to joke about curving it. By a strict classical curve, one of us would get an "A" and the other and "F." Of course, if one of us offed the other, we would get a guaranteed "C". The jokes in the statistics of small numbers write themselves....

The problem comes only when your scale has only two settings. My take? He's done alright with a list of very glaring moments where it feels like he threw the game. Probably a low B on my scale at the moment. Better than the "alternatives" we were allowed to choose from, but nowhere near what could have been.

Much of the friction I've seen comes from people who think he deserves the highest "A" possible (and maybe even deserving of a special new grade we create above that like an "A+++ Awesome&quot . That isn't true in any objective accounting and like any pre-med-school student worried about their GPA, we fight brecuase anything less than that "A" simply must be a hater's "F."

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
127. this is a rather cogent point, but I think you're a bit off.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

It's not that I am grading Obama an A++++++ and anything that sounds critical of that is deemed by me to be an F.

It is the fact that some criticize Obama in a way that seems to indicate there is no room for a middle ground. In their mind, no matter what he did right....the grade cannot be a B- or a C. Because he failed him in "Pet Cause #344" it is nothing but

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

boilerbabe

(2,214 posts)
57. yes and look at the horrid state of the country! RAH RAH RAH not.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:06 AM
Jul 2013

i guess some people think piss is lemonade.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
59. i woke up this morning
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:22 AM
Jul 2013

and saw a bunch of broke ass motherfuckers living off of credit cards, EBT, and UI benefits.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
65. I woke up today
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:27 AM
Jul 2013

And the Dow was at a record high.

And the food pantry I volunteer at can't keep up with the demand from working families. = (

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
76. And a good day to you as well!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

And there are many people who are glad the Barack Obama is President. Today, tomorrow, next year, until 2017. So hip hip hooray! And so on.

senseandsensibility

(17,066 posts)
89. I honestly don't get threads like this
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jul 2013

What is the purpose? The most obvious one, which would be to stir things up? I do have to say they make for entertaining reading, and the replies are always much more interesting than the OP.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
109. Folks are free to post what they want.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jul 2013

The purpose is to celebrate the accomplishments of President Obama.
That being said, even if it were just to stir things up, this is not the first, and won't be the last, post on DU that may try to stir things up. Get used to it.

edited

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
122. thank you. and although I knew it would stir things up...the main point
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jul 2013

is that there really is no other alternative at the moment than continuing to lobby President Obama for some more changes toward the people's will--not INC's will.

There is a lot about what is happening throughout the administration that Obama detractors are failing to acknowledge which represents roll back of the Rethuglican era in Washington.

Just as a basic "for instance" getting rid of the color coding fear system that Rove played like a Stradivarius during Bush. Voters in this country have stupidly short memories about what was.

That's how DUBYA was able to claim there was virtually no difference between him and Gore "except I'm way cooler so vote for me. ehehehehehe." Despite 8 years of peace and prosperity, dipshit electorate was able to make it close enough between Gore and Bush that the Rethuglicans could steal it.

The rest, they say, is history. We got ass reamed for 8 years by the worst president ever.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
93. "mindless gop opposition"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jul 2013

What better to counter [font color=red]His[/font] recent NSA related dip in approval ratings, than...

Mindless Dinocratic Support!

Also, quite telling that you automatically compare the any dissent to "mean girls in middle school" Inadvertently revealing much about where your mind is at with regard to "Support" of your "Hero". Political and the personal are all mixed up with the BOG crew, this is why you see any attacks against Obama's policy as attacks against your very fragile construct that is your political ego.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
103. Well, I loved the American myth you put in there
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jul 2013

Most powerful man

Greatest democracy...

Given recent events


Declining empire and democracy in name only.

But hey...yes, you implied he was that perfect. In reality historians will not be kind to either bush or Obama, for different reasons.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
130. I can drive for miles without any checkpoints in this country. I can vote by mail in Oregon
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jul 2013

I can participate in local elections and the campaigning and election for national elections. I can go out to a public square and say really nasty things against politicians I don't like.

Obama, according to many here, has only to make a phone call and all European nations are influenced to act on America's behalf.


Yeah. You may not like it. But despite the declines and despite the things we would like to see improved and fight for, the United States is still one of the lead innovators of technology, the largest economy, the most powerful nation politically, one of the most vibrant regarding culture and the arts.....

Yes, everything I said was true, actually. I'm sorry if the truth botehrs you.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
156. I like it that you think there are no checkpoints ever...in the country
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:42 PM
Jul 2013

Or other none sense you are posting here.

Yup, elections are held, at this point they mean both shit and jack.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
157. you need to spend some time in Russia or China to understand
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jul 2013

Those countries aren't even at their nadir of repression and closed society, but you as a tourist will still bet the heebie jeebies spending any amount of time in those countries and seeing how many things you take for granted every day are not a part of reality in truly authoritarian countries.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
158. I grew up in a country in the depths of a dictablanda
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jul 2013



Exactly where we are right now. You are barking up the wrong tree. This is an improved model of 1970s Mexico, not China.

It could become China, it's just turn key.

So safely I can say you have no clue. You should try reading on inverted totalitarianism.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
96. Poking the Hornet's nest I see.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

Openly declaring your support for the second term Democratic President ... and doing so on a site dedicated to electing more democrats to office.

Are you insane??

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
98. this reminds me of the “k&r if you like Obama's smile!“ type threads.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jul 2013

that a certain duer used to post.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
107. I woke up today and the USA is still the largest fascist oligarchy in the world.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jul 2013

How do you fix this?
A start would be -

Publicly funded elections. Rescind Citizens United.
Tax Revision so the Corps/Wealthy pay their fair share. 1950-60 levels.
Inheritance tax to levels that remove generational Oligarchs.
Universal Health care with public option.
Dismantling of the Military Industrial Complex. Pull troops back from around the world, greatly decrease the size of military. Focus on home.
and so on...

How much of this will happen. NONE of it. Why? Because we are a Fascist Oligarchy. Only things that benefit corporations and the wealthy happen in our gov't. The only things that ever happen that appear to help the middle and lower classes ONLY happen in order to retain "order" and stop unrest and major revolution from coming to fruition.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
110. Yeah I can't wait for a list of blue links full of his accomplishments
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jul 2013

and how any opposition to his nomination is racist.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
128. We got spirit, yes we do. We got spirit, how 'bout you?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jul 2013

Politics are now a team sport.

I sure hope our side wins. Love the blue uniforms.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
137. I can build support for the president and his goals here AND write letters to him and
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

congress critters in attempts to hold his feet to the fire.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
141. because I refuse to be a part of a right wing echo chamber of demoralizing shit
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jul 2013

to try to focus on the negative and what Obama has personally done to FAIL ME....yes, ME. It is a stupid waste of time. And if I truly care about progressive agenda but am realistic, I know demoralizing Democrats who participate in this forum is counter productive to my goal of getting more Democrats in office to sweep aside road blocks to good legislation supporting Obama's agenda.

Again, I have written multiple letters to Obama, my senators, and representative on issues I care about. Have you?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
143. No you would rather be a reactionary knee jerking apologist
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jul 2013

Which is equally sad, no matter how many times you try and distract from that point - it always comes right back in your face.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
145. Methinks you highly overestimate the impact of DU on voting results.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jul 2013

And, if it's so effective, why hasn't the "demoralizing" affected you and the other "supporters" of the president. What makes you so impervious?

And, if you dared to criticize the president here, do you think your criticism would change the outcome of any federal election?

Should all Democrats just kneel down, kiss the ring, and follow orders?

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
146. not true. I have return correspondence in actual paper form from Barack Obama and Ron Wyden
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jul 2013

along with Jeff Merkely when I wrote to them about my concern about guns and the need for firmer regulations. I also wrote and received replies from them on my concerns about the need to finally pass immigration reform laws and the need to stop putting the recovery on the backs of working Americans including the need for them to get tougher on banks about foreclosures.


I actually care and volunteer with local politicians' campaigns. What do you do? Whine on a message board. That is it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
149. Like I care.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jul 2013

See how much fun you've created with your projection! Of course I don't believe you...kewl story bro!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
153. Why, because I called you on your garbage?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jul 2013

You seem to be convinced of your pretzel logic. Have a good one mean girl and try not to insult people in your next thread. Thanks.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
155. did I hurt your feelings because your opinions don't matter to me?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jul 2013

because that is just a fact. your body of work makes clear I would be a fool to care what you think. that is not an insult. just rational thought.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
133. Mean girls in middle school?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jul 2013

You seem to be the only one stuck in middle school. I give you a D+ for effort, yet with no originality.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
139. you're under the misapprehension I care what you think
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

but since you brought up a point at least one other poster brought up, namely, "mean girls"....

I know I shouldn't have to explain it to you, but perhaps you've had a rough week.

There is legitimate conversation about what we see going wrong with the administration. I get that. I can even get the angry posts where someone discusses a litany of their wishes or perceived promises from Obama and comes at their disappointment with Obama using facts and reason.

But too often, there are childish name calling of Obama and his administration and focusing on trivial details meant to be insulting and negative--not to enlighten any of us on the big issues of the day.

It's those petty and catty posts I was comparing to "mean girls" of middle school. They only say those things to make themselves feel better, get some kudos from their clique, and try to make others feel bad.

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #139)

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
151. Thank you to all who've participated on this thread. especially
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jul 2013

the ones who disagree but who did so without resorting to insults, foul language, and name calling.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
154. I feel pretty good about it too!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jul 2013

I have pretty realistic expectations of what a Democratic President can and will do.

I'm still hopeful for a more aggressive agenda this term and maybe more Democrats in Congress will make that happen after the next election. GOTV!

Dagny_K

(39 posts)
173. I love Our President!!!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

I love Barack Obama like my mother's generation loved John Kennedy! It's my hope that when his term is over, he'll come back home here to Chicago and I might be able to meet him. Tears would come to my eyes and when I shake his hand I won't want to let go!!

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
181. relatively speaking, yes there is.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jul 2013

it is always strange when people want to minimize the contrasts between the U.S. or England and say..China or Saudi Arabia when it comes to freedom and equality.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
183. Saudi Arabia is a US ally.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

It is always strange when people wish to ignore the blood-soaked US empire and its satellites and allies and construct some "free world" that the US is supposedly the leader of. Most people in the countries you'd include in the "free world" long ago stopped thinking the US was their leader. In large parts of the world, the US supports tyrants and killers.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
196. A)I know Saudi Arabia is an ally. Much in the way that Pakistan is an ostensible ally.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jul 2013

That doesn't take away from the fact that any man or woman is much more free to live their lives in the United States than someone in Saudi Arabia.

Go read a Pew Research poll about global attitudes and you will see a LOT of our European allies still want the U.S. to stand up and lead by example on a whole range of issues.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
180. I am stumped at this "free world."
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jul 2013

Where is it. President Obama is the head of the executive branch of the U.S. government and is our highest elected public servant. As a representative democratic republic, we don't elect leaders, we elect representatives. Sure, they tell us they are our leaders, and many of us buy into the whole thing, but there is an important philosophical reason why we should never allow any elected representative to call himself or herself or leader.

From what I've seen, the rest of the world isn't crazy about our imperial attempts to lead it. Empires are notoriously poor when it comes to civli rights, so those of us that esteem civil rights should stop the whole leader of the free world thing.

He is the President who presides over the executive branch, one of three coequal branches of the U.S. government.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
182. He's undoubtedly our head of state and the person making final calls on diplomatic relations with
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

allies and how to manage foreign policy with enemy states or states who are generally out of step with the world community of countries (N. Korea).

Although I get what you are saying that he is REPRESENTING American people, there is often the opportunity to actually LEAD.

There's a reason we called DUBYA the resident of the United States. Not really a leader.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
210. I woke up today
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:19 AM
Jul 2013

and the world is pretty much the same as it was 40 years ago. Although every new day I wake up I do grow a greater appreciation for just that.

Sure some gains have been made, and some lost but the change itself is so small, it is not noticeable depending on the granularity you are willing to look at life.

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