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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI woke up today and President Barack Obama is still President of the United States of America
He is still leader of the free world--the leader of one of the most advanced industrial democratic societies the world has ever known.
Take that, FoxNews! Take that, haters! Take that, malcontents! Take that, racists of the U.S.
Barack Obama is one of the most eminently qualified men to take on this most challenging role, and he is hitting it out of the park despite the disgusting racism, mindless GOP opposition sending their approval ratings into negative numbers, and despite the peole who love nothing more than to carp and pick at every thing he does or says like a bunch of mean girls in middle school.
Good day, all. I said Good Day!
Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)
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Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)You do believe he was democratically elected to a second term, right?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It locks him out. Three hidden post, yeah I'd say he has an anger issue.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Oh, and regardless of posts hidden, his post said "F Obama and the horse he rode in on".
Yeah, anger.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Thanks for your OP, Pretzel Warrior!
Hekate
silverweb
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Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!!!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Thank you for your concern. You are your brother's keeper.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)1: Domestic terrorism (as defined by the FBI and "patriot act" against US citizens for peacefully gathering to petition the government with grievance against the economic destruction wrought by banksters and corporations. SHUT UP AND WATCH TV is the message. March and meet hundreds of militarized police. SHUT UP AND GO HOME. 7400+ Occupiers arrested, two brought to within inches of death by militarized police. Force and threat of force against a civilian population for political purposes. And Obama continues to bail out Wall Street and the corps with our tax dollars to this day. Where is the outrage? Then the Supreme Court makes it illegal to protest on their grounds using words directly out of the 1st Amendment. Then Obama signs HR347 which makes it a Federal crime to protest where Secret Service are working (then he gives himself and George Bush lifetime SS protection...smell the trend?)
2: Shaky; under pressure
4: DHS can steal your personal electronics anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland =on a hunch=. So much for warrants, courts, reasonability. Zero right to privacy in the Bush/neocon surveillance state. Where is the outrage?
5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
6: The right to a speedy trial. Have you heard of Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?
When people gleefully gloss over the loss of our very founding documents and the freedoms they guarantee and cheer the guy doing it to them, high-fiving all the while....what the actual fuck!
kath
(10,565 posts)Yeah, what the actual fuck?!???!
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)Your first point about "domestic terrorism" is a bad joke, or do you have absolutely no knowledge of protests in American history?
Sounds to me like just another anti-Obama rant, where most of the substance of your post is either not true or outside of the President's defined authority.
And this
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Force or the threat of force (arrest/courts/jail counts) against a civilian population for political purposes. Use your Google button.
If 5. is outside his authority, what is he doing to change it? Actions speak far more loudly than words. Like his bullshit about Trayvon Martin while calling the reknown unConstitutional racist Ray Kelly...well, Google that as well. 85% of stop and frisk (ruled unConstitutional) detainees were black or brown. Obama talks out both sides of his mouth; can't everyone see that yet?
And if that's the only call-out you can make on my multiple points, you are proving part of my point regarding those who WILL NOT SEE the facts of what is occurring in this country BECAUSE of Obama and his direct extension of the Bush/neocon agenda. FOUR PARTS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS. If Bush had done even one you'd be screaming your head off.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
.
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He's a well trained lawyer -
slicker than shit . .
but you know that already,
"doublespeak" - it's part of a lawyer's skill, and he is a good lawyer,
possibly more dangerous than idiot son when it comes to foreign relations,
AND domestic relations - This spying thing,
is not gonna have a happy ending;
but it will end.
Badly.
CC
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Goddess help me the Cheer Squad is up early this morning.
calimary
(81,320 posts)Yep! Love how you put that! May have to steal it...
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Be sure to rec this too.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I might rec it for amusement purposes, can't deny its hilarity.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Whoever that may be. And keeping my fingers crossed he/she will not just talk the talk but will also walk the walk.
Enjoy your carnival in the meantime.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Like Cali said, carry on.
Cha
(297,317 posts)President Obama's not a real Dem! much like we aren't real Americans.
The list goes on and on..
We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 221 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty
http://pctcblog.com/index.html/obama.html?utm_content=buffer2ce73&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
And, this is in spite of the gopropaganda obstruction machine.. and the profiteering left's propaganda machine.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)that Obama is a Wall Street shill and does corporate bidding again and again and again while many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck...you may have missed this week that MacDonalds actually posted a recommendation that those not making enough at their job, get a second job. This is the reality while many cheer themselves into consensus reality and alienate all who can see through the energetic effort.
I voted for Obama and got this stupid NDAA section 1021 instead, which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation. And the DHS destroying the 4th Amendment with its "can seize your personal electronics along the entire border and up to 100 miles inland on a hunch" concept, with Occupy having faced what the FBI and "patriot act" define as domestic terrorism, eliminating the 1st Amendment, with the Supreme Court voting that you can't protest here in spite of the Constitution, with a court ruling that silence in court can be used against you, harming the 5th Amendment, with extra-judicial executions of US citizens...how much more of the US Constitution must be shredded by Obama before people say WHAT THE FUCK and do something?
THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY OR PURITY CONTEST. The Bush family and their neocon buddies are taking over the country and Obama is adding to their works!
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Section 1021 does NOT authorize any measures against US citizens. Federal courts have ruled this.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I love that picture.
Thanks for putting it up here.
You are a fantastic person!!!
Cha
(297,317 posts)I love it too
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Cha
(297,317 posts)I even had a dream about him last night. He came in to do the dishes "because everyone else did all the cooking"! What a guy!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)And the coffee.
Thank you.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)LOL.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)That made me laugh out loud!
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)maybe his look and major pot smoking habit...who knows?
cali
(114,904 posts)How are the working poor doing? How about the middle class?
And that you think that people who criticize him are "a bunch of mean girls" is just pathetic.
Carry on with your adoration.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)He doesn't quite rise to the level of being worthy of your respect?
cali
(114,904 posts)I respect President Obama. I don't have respect for many of his policies. I know this might be difficult for you to grasp, but it's not that novel a concept.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Might have a little to do with it...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Really! It's posted here daily so it's true.
He's such a mean guy that he takes pleasure in not ordering any raise for anyone!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)have earned it on their own, and the wealthy could have been made to pay their taxes. But that would take a government more interested in protecting the working people instead of underwriting their wealthy friends and protecting that wealth, among them the bankers that donated so heavily to the 2008 election. Banks whose ongoing criminal enterprise destroyed the lives of tens of millions of people, and continue to do so as they reap the benefits of $85 billion a month to the primary dealers, reporting a 2nd quarter profit of $20 billion, while children cry when they leave school on Friday, knowing they won't have anything to eat until they get back to school on Monday...
Some people see that as a success. I think it's shameful that we let billionaires avoid taxes and give these people less to eat than we contract to pay private prisons to feed people.
We don't have to have tens of millions of people grubbing for too few crappy jobs, and people trying to sell it as good news when 70,000 of the 195,000 jobs in our last report pay less than $15/hr, while in the same report it shows a net loss of over 200,000 full-time jobs and a 14.3% U6 unemployment rate.
He chose his side. "Obama to Bankers: Im Standing Between You and the Pitchforks" Here.
It didn't have to be this way...and I don't have to like it. Your opinion differs, clearly you have other concerns.
Btw, the adolescent and snide pictures above mean nothing to me.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)because the great global equalizing is occuring which is why the jobs situation in this country is so shitty. This started long before Obama. Not sure why he's the only one who gets responsiblity for stopping this 120 car freight train of jobs out of the country.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)But you are correct, it started long before him. In the early 1900's, when Democrats, and Gompers of the AFofL, and others helped business kill off the people who thought the power should be with the people, that what was good for business (i.e. the greedy capitalist) was good for America. For several decades, as long as there were natural resources and people to easily exploit, countries to rebuild that we had bombed into oblivion, or countries that stayed in the past, that worked to our advantage.
But about the time Carter came along, while telling told us that we needed to grow up and take control of our economy and act like adults, quit spending so freely, the world started exerting itself. Americans forgot what had gotten them to the point they were at, threw it all out the window, rejected Carter and put RR in the WH. And the time of living on the plantation began in earnest.
Bill Clinton signed NAFTA,a horrible piece of legislation which shut down factories all over the place and began a wholesale process of replacing good jobs with shitty ones, too preoccupied with blow jobs from an intern to tell the country that it would require 20 or 30 times the investment we were going to make in retraining and retooling to simply stay competitive, which is partly why tens of millions of people are vying for even fewer McJobs today. Even worse, he then signed the Securities Modernization Act, on the advice of Larry Summers. That legislation allowed the banks to hide the transactions which ultimately led to our current financial crisis.
Clinton acknowledges that error. From an interview "I asked former President Bill Clinton if he thought he got bad advice on regulating complex financial instruments known as derivatives from his former Treasury Secretaries, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. He acknowledged that he was wrong to take the advice of those advising him against regulating derivatives." He said he regretted Larry Summers' advice. I am guessing a hundred million other people regret it too.
So back to your question. Obama? Knowing what we know, and after putting Ben Bernanke into place, who protected the banks and the assets of the billionaires we call the 1% to the clear detriment of tens of millions of people, Obama now wants to appoint Larry Summers to that same job, giving this person who was directly responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people the keys to our economic future.
It, perhaps, didn't have to be this way. He could have told the banks that helped him get elected that their money wasn't going to keep him from staffing the FBI with forensic accountants (which he could have called for) and investigating the same criminal behavior which sent S&L officers to prison just a few years ago. He could have chosen to stand in front of the American people and tell them they had been snookered, but that he was going to work on their side. That he knew it was going to be hard, but that the alternative was that, just like Abraham Lincoln was afraid of and warned, the finance people, (banks back then), would take over our lives and turn us all into slaves. He could have called for a hundred million people to take to the streets and take their lives back from the bastards that now own them.
It would have been the greatest community organizing project of all time, and we would have been unstoppable.The bankers would have been in jail, people would be in school learning new things, people would be working, this terrible and costly inequality would be far less the tragedy that it is, and we could have shown the world our promise. But he didn't. Instead he cashed the checks, makes his speeches, and our economy is clearly and without question markedly increasing the wealth of those with the most, on the backs of those with the least. In so doing he gave away the power that it would have taken to get sensible gun control, to keep women's health clinics open, to jail the criminals that we are paying billions in profits to keep them fat and happy, to take a leadership position in addressing the global climate issues (which, if the latest information coming out is any indication, may make all this moot within the lifetime of the children I see on the playground across the street). It also gave new life and vigor to the Republican Party, and the lever they needed to bring most any progress forward to a screeching halt.
Are there some people that are better off because of some of the things that have been done during these past few years, Unquestionably. Is the price worth it? That's the question. Some people will certainly get health care that didn't have it before, but the insurance companies, judging by their stock performance, stand to make a killing. (Back to What's Good for Business is Good For America). And the reason that profit flows to the insurance companies instead of in benefits to the people, as Social Security did, is because the power, that could have been seized at the beginning of this presidency, wasn't. Better rights for the LGBT community, a few other things - he can take some credit for no longer standing in the way, but most of that groundwork was done by other people. Unemployment is a disaster - ask the DUer in the other forum who has been out of work for 3 years - and there are tens of millions of families and individuals just like him, and their future is very likely to be living in near poverty on a part-time job, or a full-time position from which there will be very little to help fund any kind of investment in our country as was done in past decades, so a gradual decline. Compared to what could have been done, had we started repairing the people instead of building outwards from the boardroom of Goldman Sucks, I mean $achs, some of the accomplishments seem almost like those balloons that businesses put on roofs, that must be filled with hot air to look as large as they do.
The reason people hold Obama responsible is because of the decisions he has made, and is making. It is the direction he stand up and talks about every time he speaks. As in the speech last night, others make excuses and point fingers in a vain attempt to explain away what could have been, and what we are left with.
I get that this is how some people do politics, and they fervently believe this is how it must be. But I think they are only convincing themselves, and we are smaller for it. The history books won't include their point of view, and I think it will look much different in retrospect.
But hey, I just help people with dogs...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Yeah, that House FULL of reteaglicans will never, ever, and forever, let him succeed at ANYTHING aimed at improving the lives of millions of struggling Americans EVER, no matter how long any one would whine and moan about it on the intertubes.
Do You Copy?
In fact, complaining, whining and moaning is exactly WHAT THEY WANT AS ITS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR STRATEGY for 2014.
Breaking news: they've got nothing else than AUSTERITY 2 to run with. NOTHING ELSE.
Sorry for the caps (emphasis).
You're preaching to the choir here, BTW.
Won't bring any change much (never did, yet).
So what are you going to do beside complaining?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)I started a non-profit and brought a town together to work alongside each other and improve their lives by spaying and neutering their animals. Stopped the killing for a year. (their police take troublesome animal to the woods and shoot them). And when I get more money and time I will do more of that.
I work some, lately more with computers like I used to, and in my travels I try to enlighten people as to history, and feed them things that help them question who is telling them what and how those people profit from it, a bit about how we got where we are and how they might get off the plantation by working with their neighbors.
Still looking for a model to help push a another co-op, some way to show as employed people who have been unemployed for a long time, so they can have a current job on their resume, or maybe just a way help them teach themselves a new skill for the years we have coming up.
And I vote. Every time I get chance. Sometimes even for people whose party's grand strategy appears to be finger-pointing and name-calling.
I'm only one of 312,000,000 people, but I do try to put in my .000000003205~ cents worth.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Nt
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Hia signing of Telecommunications Act of 1996.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)And a good economy.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Timorhy McVeigh along with the civil liberties reduced in their wake--all under Clinton.
See, I actually liked Clinton and thought he did well despite his own personal failings but I'm just pointing out anyone can play the game Obama detractors in here do.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)I just think he was better.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Funny how he likes Obama, but cannot stand Bill Clinton. Says all I need to know about the OP. Just another mindless RAH RAH thread.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)the point was obviously WHOOOOSH!! over your head. My point was even though many here can look back fondly to what Bill Clinton DID accomplish, it is still true there are many progressive goals he never came near to achieving and many "authoritarian" and what some would say are war mongering and anti privacy efforts his administration was responsible for.
I use the other posters fond memory of Clinton to point out how someone today can have problems with certain things Obama is doing or not doing but still have high regard for what he IS accomplishing and see him for the great president he is.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)What a meanie!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)Look it up.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Race to the Top!
Private Prisons!
Fracking!
Kill Lists!
Double Taps!
Surveillance of every single American!
Woot! Woot!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)He could have been the best President we have ever had and set it up for many more Dem Presidents.
He had the nation at his back. It breaks my heart.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)... and except for every "conservative" talk show host; Naderite; Kucinich-ite; Tavis Smiley-ite and Cornel West-ite. The GOP who got together the day he took the Oath of Office to take an oath of their own: to oppose every single thing he proposed no matter how necessary to the nation it might be -- they sure had Obama's back, and they were sharpening their knives while deciding which ribs to slip them through.
I do remember how "unified" DU itself was during the campaigns. It was heartwarming to read how Obama was not black enough, not angry enough, not promising the right things (incidentally he never promised any such thing as single payer health care; if the words "It would be nice IF" ever crossed his lips, I'm sure he's repented a thousand times).
Then as soon as he took office, DU and the Left certainly had his back while they raved about broken promises of things that were supposed to happen on the first day, the first month, etc. While the GOP stood solidly against everything he actually had promised.
Oh, I almost forgot how unified we all were in 2010 when so many Dems decided to stay home or vote 3rd party to show their dissatisfaction, as if we had a Parliamentary system, which oddly, we do not.
The man has made some -- perhaps even many -- mistakes. But if there's a "wasted opportunity" for greatness it wasn't due to him.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)then go back and ask yourself how Obama could possibly support it, much less allow it to be kept so secret that only one Congressman got to read it after having to work to get the opportunity.
Alan Grayson TPP Secret Treaty This Hands Sovereignty of Our Country Over to Corp Interests"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049340
Sure, Obama is against handing sovereignty of our country over to corporate interests. Sure.
Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900
"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."
8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill
"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasnt mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is whats known as tax extenders, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.
5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so thats saying something. According to David Cay Johnstons The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."
The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama
Yes, Virginia, the Rich Continue to Get Richer: the Top 1% Got 121% of Income Gains Since 2009
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/yes-virginia-the-rich-continue-to-get-richer-the-1-got-121-of-income-gains-since-2009.html
U.S. banks in 2012 post highest profits since '06
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-usa-fdic-earnings-idUSBRE91P0N820130226?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=de8376aab3-DD_2_27_132_27_2013&utm_medium=email#.US5jjkXSlU8.twitter
This Years Subsidy to Wall Street = the Amount of This Years Sequester Cuts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/this-years-subsidy-to-wall-street-the-amount-of-this-years-sequester-cuts.html#.US_yiFwwnHY.facebook
Dont Blink, or Youll Miss Another Bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100466032
America faces more than a dozen deadlines, all caused by billionaires and wealth transfer
http://americablog.com/2013/02/america-faces-more-than-a-dozen-deadlines-all-caused-by-billionaires-and-wealth-transfer.html
Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/09-5
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)His specific, "I made this" actions. Kill lists. Extra-judicial execution of US citizens. Twice signing the NDAA section 1021 providing for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation (destruction of the 4th and 6th Amendments). Of continuing to sign bailouts for banks and corporations while "austerity" is forced upon the little guy. Of giving appointments to legendary foe of worker's rights, billionaire Penny Pritzker and discussing Summers (another Wall Street deregulator) for a Fed position. Drone strikes killing children in five or more countries with whom we are not at war.
The list is astonishing. Too many here are JUST FINE with it. Which ain't democratic at all.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)I just do not agree with you or what I see as your hyperbole. We can agree to disagree.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)plutonomists and the Bush family and neocons, I get angry and tell people about it. No matter who is doing it.
How about some facts to go with your opinion?
Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900
"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."
8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill
"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasnt mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is whats known as tax extenders, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.
5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so thats saying something. According to David Cay Johnstons The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."
The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama
Yes, Virginia, the Rich Continue to Get Richer: the Top 1% Got 121% of Income Gains Since 2009
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/yes-virginia-the-rich-continue-to-get-richer-the-1-got-121-of-income-gains-since-2009.html
U.S. banks in 2012 post highest profits since '06
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-usa-fdic-earnings-idUSBRE91P0N820130226?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=de8376aab3-DD_2_27_132_27_2013&utm_medium=email#.US5jjkXSlU8.twitter
This Years Subsidy to Wall Street = the Amount of This Years Sequester Cuts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/this-years-subsidy-to-wall-street-the-amount-of-this-years-sequester-cuts.html#.US_yiFwwnHY.facebook
Dont Blink, or Youll Miss Another Bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100466032
America faces more than a dozen deadlines, all caused by billionaires and wealth transfer
http://americablog.com/2013/02/america-faces-more-than-a-dozen-deadlines-all-caused-by-billionaires-and-wealth-transfer.html
Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/09-5
I am okay with NONE of the above, and that only scratches the surface of Obama's collusion with the Plutonomy and doesn't even touch upon the loss of four sections of the Bill of Rights.
1: Domestic terrorism (as defined by the FBI and "patriot act" against US citizens for peacefully gathering to petition the government with grievance against the economic destruction wrought by banksters and corporations. SHUT UP AND WATCH TV is the message. March and meet hundreds of militarized police. SHUT UP AND GO HOME. 7400+ Occupiers arrested, two brought to within inches of death by militarized police. Force and threat of force against a civilian population for political purposes. And Obama continues to bail out Wall Street and the corps with our tax dollars to this day. Where is the outrage? Then the Supreme Court makes it illegal to protest on their grounds using words directly out of the 1st Amendment. Then Obama signs HR347 which makes it a Federal crime to protest where Secret Service are working (then he gives himself and George Bush lifetime SS protection...smell the trend?)
2: Shaky; under pressure
4: DHS can steal your personal electronics anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland =on a hunch=. So much for warrants, courts, reasonability. Zero right to privacy in the Bush/neocon surveillance state. Where is the outrage?
5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
6: The right to a speedy trial. Have you heard of Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?
Being quiet about the actual theft of the economy and the destruction of our guaranteed freedoms is not the answer!!!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Attack attack attack if you wish, but we can still agree to disagree with one another and share space on the same board.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)as Obama legislates it to Plutonomists...what does it take to penetrate, to provide awareness and acceptance of such horror?
IT IS NOT ALRIGHT. Not if Bush did it, not when Obama does it. Supporting this monster is to support the destruction of this very country, and it's not because some people don't have his back. Obama is personally signing the legislation. Personally. It's not attack, it's fact which some are savagely determined to ignore and ridicule as if that will make it go away and somehow save the democratic party.
Obama's own personal actions are driving people away from the democratic party. Many Americans are smart enough to understand what he's doing to them. Want votes in 2016? Stop Obama today!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)I don't want "the last word"; I want you to LISTEN and GET what is wrong, and to join those willing to save the country from it.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)That's what counts, don't you get it?
olddots
(10,237 posts)I am so sorry I am a mean girl in middle school .
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)is a democrat. Despite the hilarious pile of easily-searched evidence to the uncontestably blatant contrary.
I woke up this morning and 7400+ Occupiers had been victims of domestic terrorism by the Obama administration for peaceably assembling to petition the government with grievance over the economy and the factors contributing to it. I woke up this morning and THIS still hadn't changed, except perhaps further in favor of the Plutonomy:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3331831
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Scuba
(53,475 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Holy shit, we have some hardcore nutjobs here. Like Sarah "Pals around with terrorists" Palin on steroids.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)ODS apparently isn't unique to just the far-Right.
Number23
(24,544 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)well in that case he has proven qualifications are meaningless, he's been pretty much a disaster across the board if you're even slightly left of center
dtom67
(634 posts)P Here on the wonderful midnight shift and saw yet another post of the " ridicule all dissenters" variety. Luckily, it is not tucked away in a "Sacred Cow " discussion group, so let's talk about the President.
Don't care about the President. People like Jamie Dimon have more power than a US President these days.
And where is this" free world" you are talking about? How many drones do they have overhead? How many government agencies are spying on them there? Do they get due process there? What is the wealth gap there?
Had to chime in, get my name on malcontent list.
Break s over....
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)What we'll get stuck with then, who knows.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)... and otherwise get our shit together.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Now, thanks to the hard-working and talented team at one of our favorite sources, Washington Monthly, there's a list of President Obama's Top 50 accomplishments you can helpufully show to the doubters. Team Randi hopes this is just a starting list from Mr. Obama's first term - what Paul Glastris at Washington Monthly calls 'President Clinton's third term'.
Read Paul's cover story, and check out a few of our favorites from Obama's 'Top 50' list, below.
Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?article=9880240#ixzz2a3GjDdyl
http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/12369/03/12369_1331401414.pdf
Thank you for your OP~
K&R
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)supporters of the President. Do you wonder why that there is criticism? Here's something to ponder: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017133965 Listen at 11:20 when Chris Hedges go on to say we are the most watched, surveilled, etc. population on earth.....ever! Do you not realize that the White House did not support the Amash/Conyers amendment voted on in the House yesterday?
If we allow our privacy to be taken it will no matter how we feel about race issues, LGBT issues, abortion issues, ad infinitum....because our information will be used to control us. This NSA policy is at the core of our system....to keep us freely able to dissent. We're losing that. So, enjoy your 'advanced democracy' while you still have it. My allegiance to freedom granted in the Constitution rises above party. That is not to say I have lost all confidence that the party could be turned to support our guaranteed freedoms....in every way. imho
juajen
(8,515 posts)DU has been talking for years about "Agent Mike" listening in to every post on our forum.
Not sure what our besieged President could have done, but am still waiting for fallout.
He certainly didn't instigate all of these programs, and looks at it from a different perspective than almost all of us.
Whole lot of "judging" going on!
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)stage if he wants it, case in point, the White House came out against the Amash/Conyers amendment. I also agree that the President looks at surveillance from a different perspective under the guise of national security, you know, that catch-all term that usually means something unconstitutional is happening. I guess I'm old fashioned and prefer the methods of gathering intelligence on an individual basis when ample suspicion can call for a warrant. Not this collecting data pre-emptively, just in case, don't you know. imho
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)I remember lots of hatchet jobs by paid fake Leftists like BetterBelieveIt being recommended thru the roof though.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Same folks posting the same old shit, except for those who got banned.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)a lot of problems during the candidate selection process, particularly between Hillary and Barack supporters, but once the President was elected, it seemed to me all hands were on deck for his success. imho
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)People cried out of joy when he went to the park in Chicago.
For me the luster ended with dropping single payer from the discussion...next day I became an independent. As a reporter that is best.
I still voted for him in 2012... Come 2016, given recent events, I might sit out...or just vote my heart. National elections, as far as policies influencing the mic, it maes no difference.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)once the GOP started stonewalling stimulus, etc. the purists on here started to sharpen their knives about what a caving DLC'er Republican-Lite DINO Obama was. We're talking within the first couple of months.
it only got worse from there in 2009 as Single Payer purists flipped a lid about any compromise on health care.
Oh, we remember.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)where the stimulus "wasn't big enough" and Krugman was suddenly deified and cited early and often by the all-or-nothing crew, who salivated over kicking millions off of unemployment in the name of principle, until such time when Krugman finally figured out how a bill becomes a law, and then under the bus he went.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)that's why "the memory hole" was so important to big brother or any mass of people who want us to avoid facts and actual events and just focus on what they are spouting at the moment as the eternal truth.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)others are very selective
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)announced his first few cabinet picks.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I just for some reason remember a month or two into actual presidency people kind of went ape shit when their pet project/issue wasn't dispatched immediately.
Number23
(24,544 posts)this president.
He got thrown under the bus before he even got sworn in for his first term.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)... things that he would get done the very moment he took office. All of them at once. He was gonna. And when reality set in (such as the GOP 100% refusing to do anything helpful) these same people flamed him so hard here that I'm still trying to blow the ashes off my screen.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)pecwae
(8,021 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)curse me like you do the president. I do not really care. I am an Obama supporter with the good and bad. When you find your perfect candidate let Rush and Hannity know. I am sure they will appreciate your loyalty.
cali
(114,904 posts)supporting vile shit because the President has a D after his name and for no other reason.
No one is looking for perfect, just a wee bit better.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)I wouldn't suggest holding your breath.
cali
(114,904 posts)and look, if you're gonna call those of us who criticize the President's policies haters, you're gonna get it back in kind from me. Apologist is less offensive terminology than hater.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with accusing him of being a "domestic terrorist."
from your words post #21
I would say you're doing that here with this statement
supporting vile shit because the President has a D after his name and for no other reason.
Sorry but don't presume to know all about "us"
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Do you not perceive the complete lack of an open mind, and how that may scare away those capable of discrimination?
When republicans followed Bush without any question whatsoever, we jeered at them righteously. How is this any different at all, and how is it not also deserving of the same treatment?
And that you are unwilling to even attempt to parse the genuine loss of freedom as the Constitution is slowly dismantled, much less than that all of this mess is directly from Bush, and that somehow Obama is adding to it...
Seeing all of this, why should people not flee the democratic party in fear and disgust? BTW, I voted for Obama (but I am capable of seeing that he is a complete betrayer working for the enemy). And I'll fight that bullshit be it from republicans or democrats who are republicans.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)said as a supporter, I take the good with the bad. Sure he has done things I don't agree with, but I don't resort to bashing from the Monday morning couch. I disagreed with the majority of the policies of the Bush administration, but when I saw an individual in another country throwing a shoe at the President of the United States, I was incensed. Respect cost nothing.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Considering the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq over an invasion for oil, it's an exceptionally well-deserved trifle.
You mistake the office of the president of the united states with some of the monsters who have taken it (and by Bush, I mean that literally).
Blind allegiance is very dangerous and very very useful to the monsters. You're not winning me over with your further opinion!
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Logical
(22,457 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Do we all have to? Do you like EVERY democrat?
You can love the president all you want. Fine by me. But some don't, and that's ok too.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)and we are all together koo koo ca choo.
Less lyrically, they have gone and confused their own interests with that of the man who is president. The personal and the political are intertwined such that if you attack anything he says or does, you are attacking them, personally.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)There's folks that I like and if you criticize them, so be it. I am not that personally attached to anyone in power.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a Republican President in the next election.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)the heads exploding appear to be those of you who freak out over every criticism of the President and who defend policies that they'd savage were they from a repub President.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)There is more bashing of the President on DU than bashing of the loony and obstructionist rightwing Congresscritters. It's quite remarkable that a so-called "progressive" site is littered with libertarians and extremists.
There is constructive criticism from a tiny fraction of DUers and then there is the daily hate-filled invective that completely negates any constructive criticism that was purportedly the goal.
Fortunately DU is not a reflection of the general populace when it wallows in lala land.
cali
(114,904 posts)the President's policies with "bashing". I see very little hate toward the President, though there is some.
The fact is that many of us totally reject the republicans and an ancillary to that is that we reject republican type policies wherever they come from- like the TPP, TPA and chained CPI.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)but you knew that, right?
Calling individuals "authoritarians" or "totalitarian" or the other such hyperbolic nonsense that has littered DU to the exclusion of much eise, is not "criticism" by a long shot, unless one is a junior high school Mad magazine reader.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Not ad-hominems or cutesy nicknames but rather accurate labels describing repeated behavior.
Logical fallacy is the stock and trade of "compromise" based politics.
Apologist is someone who writes on behalf of a position. An Authoritarian is someone who always sides with authority, and uses the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority, among other fallacious rhetoric.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)has become anything liberal or progressive that's not extreme "leftist".
Bottom line, the continual use of this sort of "labeling" accompanied by nonsensical definitions of such, is nothing but an admission of poor debate skills.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)accurately describing behavior is not a personal attack.
A Centrist is someone who believes that republicans are right when trying to elect a democrat in a "Red" district. It is the fig leaf that covers the embarrassing levers of elite power.
A Centrist is someone intent on amassing political power with no ability or intent to change the status quo.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)he is labeled an authoritarian by the juvenile here. Quit pretending it is not so.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)of course you don't. blinders on, smears at the ready, ever faithful!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)It shows the lack of ability to posit an argument without accepting that others may disagree. I.e., there are always shades of gray and too many on DU refuse to accept that. I.e., folks refuse to "agree to disagree".
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)When I was going to college some of my upper level classes got real small. One had just myself and one other person. The teacher used to joke about curving it. By a strict classical curve, one of us would get an "A" and the other and "F." Of course, if one of us offed the other, we would get a guaranteed "C". The jokes in the statistics of small numbers write themselves....
The problem comes only when your scale has only two settings. My take? He's done alright with a list of very glaring moments where it feels like he threw the game. Probably a low B on my scale at the moment. Better than the "alternatives" we were allowed to choose from, but nowhere near what could have been.
Much of the friction I've seen comes from people who think he deserves the highest "A" possible (and maybe even deserving of a special new grade we create above that like an "A+++ Awesome" . That isn't true in any objective accounting and like any pre-med-school student worried about their GPA, we fight brecuase anything less than that "A" simply must be a hater's "F."
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)It's not that I am grading Obama an A++++++ and anything that sounds critical of that is deemed by me to be an F.
It is the fact that some criticize Obama in a way that seems to indicate there is no room for a middle ground. In their mind, no matter what he did right....the grade cannot be a B- or a C. Because he failed him in "Pet Cause #344" it is nothing but
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)boilerbabe
(2,214 posts)i guess some people think piss is lemonade.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)and saw a bunch of broke ass motherfuckers living off of credit cards, EBT, and UI benefits.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)and practically EVERY bush regime policy is still in place.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)creon
(1,183 posts)I have no problem with Barack Obama.
He is doing a good job.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)and the super yacht business is thriving.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And the Dow was at a record high.
And the food pantry I volunteer at can't keep up with the demand from working families. = (
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)and the banks that are too big to fail are still unpunished for the malfeasance.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)DOUBLE take that, Fox News and haters!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Anybody but Hillary! Please.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)You DID say "anybody"......
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)RAHM '16!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Love the drama! Love the cat fights!
Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)And there are many people who are glad the Barack Obama is President. Today, tomorrow, next year, until 2017. So hip hip hooray! And so on.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,066 posts)What is the purpose? The most obvious one, which would be to stir things up? I do have to say they make for entertaining reading, and the replies are always much more interesting than the OP.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Read this website's mission
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Searched for "syncophancy" and "blind allegiance" but came up empty...
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)The purpose is to celebrate the accomplishments of President Obama.
That being said, even if it were just to stir things up, this is not the first, and won't be the last, post on DU that may try to stir things up. Get used to it.
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Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)is that there really is no other alternative at the moment than continuing to lobby President Obama for some more changes toward the people's will--not INC's will.
There is a lot about what is happening throughout the administration that Obama detractors are failing to acknowledge which represents roll back of the Rethuglican era in Washington.
Just as a basic "for instance" getting rid of the color coding fear system that Rove played like a Stradivarius during Bush. Voters in this country have stupidly short memories about what was.
That's how DUBYA was able to claim there was virtually no difference between him and Gore "except I'm way cooler so vote for me. ehehehehehe." Despite 8 years of peace and prosperity, dipshit electorate was able to make it close enough between Gore and Bush that the Rethuglicans could steal it.
The rest, they say, is history. We got ass reamed for 8 years by the worst president ever.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)What better to counter [font color=red]His[/font] recent NSA related dip in approval ratings, than...
Mindless Dinocratic Support!
Also, quite telling that you automatically compare the any dissent to "mean girls in middle school" Inadvertently revealing much about where your mind is at with regard to "Support" of your "Hero". Political and the personal are all mixed up with the BOG crew, this is why you see any attacks against Obama's policy as attacks against your very fragile construct that is your political ego.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)No man is god.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Most powerful man
Greatest democracy...
Given recent events
Declining empire and democracy in name only.
But hey...yes, you implied he was that perfect. In reality historians will not be kind to either bush or Obama, for different reasons.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I can participate in local elections and the campaigning and election for national elections. I can go out to a public square and say really nasty things against politicians I don't like.
Obama, according to many here, has only to make a phone call and all European nations are influenced to act on America's behalf.
Yeah. You may not like it. But despite the declines and despite the things we would like to see improved and fight for, the United States is still one of the lead innovators of technology, the largest economy, the most powerful nation politically, one of the most vibrant regarding culture and the arts.....
Yes, everything I said was true, actually. I'm sorry if the truth botehrs you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Or other none sense you are posting here.
Yup, elections are held, at this point they mean both shit and jack.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Those countries aren't even at their nadir of repression and closed society, but you as a tourist will still bet the heebie jeebies spending any amount of time in those countries and seeing how many things you take for granted every day are not a part of reality in truly authoritarian countries.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Exactly where we are right now. You are barking up the wrong tree. This is an improved model of 1970s Mexico, not China.
It could become China, it's just turn key.
So safely I can say you have no clue. You should try reading on inverted totalitarianism.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Openly declaring your support for the second term Democratic President ... and doing so on a site dedicated to electing more democrats to office.
Are you insane??
quinnox
(20,600 posts)that a certain duer used to post.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)How do you fix this?
A start would be -
Publicly funded elections. Rescind Citizens United.
Tax Revision so the Corps/Wealthy pay their fair share. 1950-60 levels.
Inheritance tax to levels that remove generational Oligarchs.
Universal Health care with public option.
Dismantling of the Military Industrial Complex. Pull troops back from around the world, greatly decrease the size of military. Focus on home.
and so on...
How much of this will happen. NONE of it. Why? Because we are a Fascist Oligarchy. Only things that benefit corporations and the wealthy happen in our gov't. The only things that ever happen that appear to help the middle and lower classes ONLY happen in order to retain "order" and stop unrest and major revolution from coming to fruition.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)and how any opposition to his nomination is racist.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)Politics are now a team sport.
I sure hope our side wins. Love the blue uniforms.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)congress critters in attempts to hold his feet to the fire.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)to try to focus on the negative and what Obama has personally done to FAIL ME....yes, ME. It is a stupid waste of time. And if I truly care about progressive agenda but am realistic, I know demoralizing Democrats who participate in this forum is counter productive to my goal of getting more Democrats in office to sweep aside road blocks to good legislation supporting Obama's agenda.
Again, I have written multiple letters to Obama, my senators, and representative on issues I care about. Have you?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Which is equally sad, no matter how many times you try and distract from that point - it always comes right back in your face.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)"you make no sense"
The Judges would have also accepted:
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, if it's so effective, why hasn't the "demoralizing" affected you and the other "supporters" of the president. What makes you so impervious?
And, if you dared to criticize the president here, do you think your criticism would change the outcome of any federal election?
Should all Democrats just kneel down, kiss the ring, and follow orders?
Rex
(65,616 posts)ZERO. YAWN.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)along with Jeff Merkely when I wrote to them about my concern about guns and the need for firmer regulations. I also wrote and received replies from them on my concerns about the need to finally pass immigration reform laws and the need to stop putting the recovery on the backs of working Americans including the need for them to get tougher on banks about foreclosures.
I actually care and volunteer with local politicians' campaigns. What do you do? Whine on a message board. That is it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)See how much fun you've created with your projection! Of course I don't believe you...kewl story bro!
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You seem to be convinced of your pretzel logic. Have a good one mean girl and try not to insult people in your next thread. Thanks.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)because that is just a fact. your body of work makes clear I would be a fool to care what you think. that is not an insult. just rational thought.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why is that I wonder?
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Rational thought is not one of Rex's strong points.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You seem to be the only one stuck in middle school. I give you a D+ for effort, yet with no originality.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)but since you brought up a point at least one other poster brought up, namely, "mean girls"....
I know I shouldn't have to explain it to you, but perhaps you've had a rough week.
There is legitimate conversation about what we see going wrong with the administration. I get that. I can even get the angry posts where someone discusses a litany of their wishes or perceived promises from Obama and comes at their disappointment with Obama using facts and reason.
But too often, there are childish name calling of Obama and his administration and focusing on trivial details meant to be insulting and negative--not to enlighten any of us on the big issues of the day.
It's those petty and catty posts I was comparing to "mean girls" of middle school. They only say those things to make themselves feel better, get some kudos from their clique, and try to make others feel bad.
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Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)the ones who disagree but who did so without resorting to insults, foul language, and name calling.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Just Saying
(1,799 posts)I have pretty realistic expectations of what a Democratic President can and will do.
I'm still hopeful for a more aggressive agenda this term and maybe more Democrats in Congress will make that happen after the next election. GOTV!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Dagny_K
(39 posts)I love Barack Obama like my mother's generation loved John Kennedy! It's my hope that when his term is over, he'll come back home here to Chicago and I might be able to meet him. Tears would come to my eyes and when I shake his hand I won't want to let go!!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)There is no "free" world.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)it is always strange when people want to minimize the contrasts between the U.S. or England and say..China or Saudi Arabia when it comes to freedom and equality.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It is always strange when people wish to ignore the blood-soaked US empire and its satellites and allies and construct some "free world" that the US is supposedly the leader of. Most people in the countries you'd include in the "free world" long ago stopped thinking the US was their leader. In large parts of the world, the US supports tyrants and killers.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)That doesn't take away from the fact that any man or woman is much more free to live their lives in the United States than someone in Saudi Arabia.
Go read a Pew Research poll about global attitudes and you will see a LOT of our European allies still want the U.S. to stand up and lead by example on a whole range of issues.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Where is it. President Obama is the head of the executive branch of the U.S. government and is our highest elected public servant. As a representative democratic republic, we don't elect leaders, we elect representatives. Sure, they tell us they are our leaders, and many of us buy into the whole thing, but there is an important philosophical reason why we should never allow any elected representative to call himself or herself or leader.
From what I've seen, the rest of the world isn't crazy about our imperial attempts to lead it. Empires are notoriously poor when it comes to civli rights, so those of us that esteem civil rights should stop the whole leader of the free world thing.
He is the President who presides over the executive branch, one of three coequal branches of the U.S. government.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)allies and how to manage foreign policy with enemy states or states who are generally out of step with the world community of countries (N. Korea).
Although I get what you are saying that he is REPRESENTING American people, there is often the opportunity to actually LEAD.
There's a reason we called DUBYA the resident of the United States. Not really a leader.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Riftaxe
(2,693 posts)and the world is pretty much the same as it was 40 years ago. Although every new day I wake up I do grow a greater appreciation for just that.
Sure some gains have been made, and some lost but the change itself is so small, it is not noticeable depending on the granularity you are willing to look at life.