why is MSNBC bleeding viewers? could it be things like last night?

[dsc]

All In spent the first 14 minutes of its news time on the Weiner and then the next 8 minutes on Mayor Filner. Weiner is a candidate, not a mayor but a candidate for mayor New York. If he were to win, he would have literally no say at all in how the vast majority of us live our lives. He, as far as anyone can tell, engaged in creepy, bizarre, but conscentual conduct over the internet and via phones. Now Filner, deserved to be covered. He should be in jail frankly if the charges are true. He assaulted several women if the charges are true. But a full third of this program was devoted to two sex scandals having nothing at all to do with the overwhelming majority of the country.

Rachel spent the first 14 minutes on the Weiner scandal. Lawrence spent his first 21 minutes on Weiner, with old lies about Jennifer Flowers and Clinton tossed in. Now, none of this counts commercials. So if you assume 50 minutes an hour that gives you 150 minutes, of which 57 or more than a third, were spend on sex scandals that affect pretty much no one but the principals involved in them.

We liberals deserve better than this.

[spooky3]

1. Unfortunately, that kind of story may attract MORE viewers.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. Have you not seen all the hyperbolic reaction to Wienergate here?

I think some here want him tarred and feathered for "sexting". Meanwhile we are not the party of "family values". I thought what people do behind closed doors was not OUR business....I guess I was mistaken about that.

[Whisp]

12. but Weiners drawers and doors were wide open.

that's the point.

He stuck his stupid penis in everyone's face and some of us are disgusted by it. Nothing to do with privacy or sex or aything like that. Lots to do with a scumbucket sleazefuck.

[VanillaRhapsody]

13. No....he didn't post this to a public forum....He SEXTED someone...

that was a private conversation....but apparently privacy is only important when Snowden is involved. HE didn't stick his penis in YOUR face.....someone else did that for him. As a matter of fact.....
I bet if you asked him....he would have perferred it not to be....but we accept the internet is not private in HIS case....but when its Snowden and others say....the Internet is NOT private...weeeeelllll that's just different!

[Whisp]

23. he's a jerk with lousy judgement. want him for Mayor, go for it. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. There are ALOT of those jerks with lousy judgement out there hate to tell ya!

Have you even checked your spam mailbox lately?

[LanternWaste]

144. And I wouldn't be idiotic enough to vote for any of them with knowledge a forehand.

"There are ALOT of those jerks with lousy judgement (sic) out there hate to tell ya!"

And I wouldn't be idiotic enough to vote for any of them with knowledge a forehand. However, there may indeed many idiotic enough to cast their votes for them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

169. You ALREADY have done so!

did you vote for Clinton in his second term?

[JDPriestly]

158. Many, many. And some of them are really nice when you meet them at the watercooler

or the supermarket.

Men are just strange, very strange.

Not all men, but more than women would ever believe. I have come to that conclusion based on a long and wonderful life, a long marriage and lots of observing men.

It's kind of a funny thing. But until I was about 50 and found looking in the mirror more and more painful and the stares from men rarer and rarer, I really never dared to observe men. But now, no longer being in danger of someone thinking I am watching them for the "wrong" reasons, I have learned a lot. Watch what men look at, how they look, what their eyes follow even if they don't seem to "notice." It's funny. You begin to understand why elderly women are so often stooped and leaning forward. Crazy theory, I know, but it might be because when they were young they spent a lot of time looking downward at the ground or the book or table or counter in front of them so they would not feel embarrassed by men's stares. Just a theory. Kind of a joke. But there is a fragment of truth in it.

As a woman, the last thing I would do is stare at men's bodies fully clothed as if I were undressing them. It would never occur to me. Maybe that's generational, but that is the way it is.

And interestingly, I would never have dared to write this when I was younger. But now, I think it is good if we become more honest, gender to gender.

What do I stare at? Children and babies. You should see this darling, smiling little baby girl I saw in the grocery store today. What a little doll. Her smile just made my day.

So, gender differences. As a grandmother, I'm most likely to be day-dreaming of my grandchild or my garden. So, time changes us. But gender decides a lot about what we think about.

[KoKo]

36. I don't think some of us think of it as "Hyperbolic" reaction to a Two Time "Sex Flasher."

I think if it was a Repug running DU would be "Up in Arms."

Weiner has endangered his family with his obsession to show off his "body part" and it seems a compulsion with him. What if it was YOUR DAUGHTER who got caught up in his "Exposing Himself" online and hooked up with her...and she was only 13 or so years old?

He has a huge problem...and he's so caught up in his Dick Photos he can't address it and his Wife seems to support this. How do we know what goes on in the Weiner House that she supports him.

This is a Huge Issue. This wasn't some kid posting his DICK on Facebook.. This is a US Congresscritter CAUGHT and he did it AGAIN...after he was caught.

He has serious problems and this behavior is not a qualification for "Managing Citizens in High Office." I know former President Clinton got off for Cigar Vaginal Manipulation...but, should HE be an example going forward that we want to show our children about HOW POLITICS WORK these DAYS?

[Atman]

40. But he running for Mayor of NYC, not King of the World!

Let the people of NYC worry about it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. It wasn't a child...talk about Hyperbolic! And it wasn't on Facebook

perhaps getting the story straight would be a good idea and first place to start before you form such an opinion.

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of "sexting"?

Me thinks you have an overall bad feeling about all things "internet and sexual".

[marions ghost]

76. This was more than sexting

between consenting adults. He supposedly sent "unsolicited" pix to strangers. That's flashing. Which is a weird kind of violation--not the worst crime in the book but it shows a serious lack of impulse control and a tendency not to respect boundaries. It's really not all that much about sex. It's just kind of pathetic. He has some problems that need fixing.

So to say that it's only sexting is not correct, as I understand what he did.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. He was texting these women.....and finally sent a picture of his junk

I cannot even say that has never happened to me...not even just once....men are funny creatures.

[marions ghost]

93. This article refers to the unsolicited ones

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/07/10/where-are-they-now-the-women-behind-the-spitzer-and-weiner-scandals.html

"When the scandal broke two years ago, Gennette Cordova, Lisa Weiss, and Traci Nobles were among the women who admitted exchanging raunchy texts with (or, in some instances, receiving unsolicited crotch shots from) the then-congressman. At a press conference this June, Weiner told reporters, “I have not been in contact [with them] except for in very basic ways,” he said."

------------

This blogger makes the points I would make:

"...at the end of the day the Anthony Weiner story is the same as the Herman Cain story. In both cases, the press treats the candidates’ actions as sexual dalliances. But they’re actually much worse. Cain took advantage of people he held power over, and so did Weiner. Promising a 22 year-old sweet young thing a job at Politico in exchange for favors is pretty much the classic, old-school definition of sexual harassment. What I wrote about Cain back in 2011 holds true for Weiner today:

“The media treats sexual harassment cases similarly to the way they treat stories about secret mistresses. After all, it’s the sex that sells the story, right? The important thing for the cable news networks is, “Somebody Famous is Boinking Someone They Shouldn’t,” along with, “Is the Other Woman Hot and Can We Google a Sexy Photo of Her?”

But sexual harassment isn’t the same as infidelity. Sexual harassment, at the end of the day, is about the abuse of power. What’s more, it’s about a particularly denigrating and malicious abuse of power. I would go so far as to say that if someone has a pattern of perpetrating sexual harassment, he is the last person you want in power over others – and you should vote accordingly.”

I can pretty sadly predict much of what will happen in the coming days. Weiner and his people will make all the appropriate apologies and will do so as each new show drops. Weiner’s supporters[2] will claim that because the woman is choosing to remain anonymous that she’s not a reliable witness, even while they hold press conferences copping to “problematic behavior.” Bloggers and pundits will write back and forth about his chances now, his chances later, his possible contracts with cable news. In all of the political wonk-talk we’ll lose track of the real story, which is this:

Anthony Weiner is a sexual harasser; as such he is an abuser of power. And abusers of power tend to abuse whatever power you give them.

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2013/07/23/a-risk-mangers-take-on-anthony-weiner

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Not arguing with ya, just throwing out another opinion about it

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. they were exchanging raunchy texts and then were shocked they got a picture of his junk?

come on....

[marions ghost]

101. It's a fine line

but I think it meets the definition of sexual harassment. Hedging his bets by trolling for as many as he could get. He lured them into messaging some say--about ordinary things, maybe it got into a flirtation (not convinced they were all raunchy) and then they say he upped the ante. You know the game. Flatter them, make promises, pretend to be interested in them, flirt a little, and then..."hey, check this out." He sounds as bad as Felafel Bill O'Reilly, who did get a lawsuit against him. It's the thrill of being baaaaaad.....easy if you're in a position of power--the women were not peers.

I think just about every young woman has at some time been a victim of the game. Older women are not as easily suckered. You'd have to get him in court to prove sexual harassment, but I think it sounds like a case could be made for it.

Weiner obviously thought his weiner was his best feature and he needed appreciation for it. Arrested adolescence.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. How is it harrassment if you are sending sexual chat....and suddenly get a picture...

thats ridiculous.......

[marions ghost]

109. According to some

they felt it was "unsolicited." Therefore unwanted. They felt there was no precedent (remember they are pretty young & naive, which is the only kind he was going for). If the women were thinking it was so much fun when they got weinered I doubt they would have spoken out about it.

You said yourself that men do it. Obviously it would take the close examination of a courtroom to prove sexual harassment, but the indicators are there. He needs some help for these problems. Too much of a risk for public office in New York--maybe he'd be fine in some little backwater somewhere, where it wouldn't matter if he couldn't stop his habit and got axed. But it's too much of a risk for NYC.

[VanillaRhapsody]

110. after having sexual chat?

not buying it...

[VanillaRhapsody]

113. It appears I was right...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023335197

[marions ghost]

115. right about what?

---I read the article, and don't get what you mean.

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. the women....at least the latest one....was WILLINGLY having virtual sex with him! He sent them a

pic of his junk....how much you wanta bet she sent him pictures of hers too....but HE likely deleted because he didn't want to be caught with the evidence.....Would you judge your family doctor by this standard?

[marions ghost]

121. Doesn't matter

what she did. It's wrong for him to solicit these women (for practical reasons if nothing else), and we know that at least some were not so cooperative and it was clearly over the line. Obviously he suckered the girl because she laments that she thought it meant something real. Wah wah you say and women, we know, can be stupid too. But Weiner's stupid is worse, politically risky, and his response is arrogant & narcissist. His "apology" was nauseating. Weiner is just too much of a joke. NYC deserves better.

Would I judge my family doctor if he was accused of these behaviors? Well it's a type of creepy sleeze that would be hard to ignore...probably, if it had all the elements that Weiner's case does.

Cya--I got nothin more on this. I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out...

[VanillaRhapsody]

135. He didn't "solicit" them....that insinuates there was money involved...

and there wasn't. These women WILLINGLY chatted with him....apparently in a raunchy manner. Women do that you know?

[marions ghost]

143. No, solicitation does not have to involve money

--It's about predation, getting off on suckering young women into going along with being naughty. Cheap thrills from risky behavior. It's an old game, just taken to a new level with instant messaging devices. Sad, creepy.

He tried to hush one of them up with an apartment (ie. money).

As I said it does not matter that the women participated. He didn't have to do it in the first place, knowing that what is commonly perceived as lewd, crude & predatory can sink your political ship. The women I take as stupid and naive if they equate this with leading to any sort of relationship. Anthony is stupider, with a lot more to lose & doesn't have the excuse of youth.

You & I aren't going to agree...Anthony = looza palooza. Be thankful he's out.

Bye

[VanillaRhapsody]

166. Uh the word solicitation when it comes to sex...connotates money!

If she was soooooo "solicited" why isn't she suing him? If harrassment occurred towards any of them....would they not be suing right now?

[marions ghost]

172. Not always--see definition #4:

so·lic·it (s-lst)
v. so·lic·it·ed, so·lic·it·ing, so·lic·its

1. To seek to obtain by persuasion, entreaty, or formal application: a candidate who solicited votes among the factory workers.
2. To petition persistently; importune: solicited the neighbors for donations.
3. To entice or incite to evil or illegal action.
4. To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services.
5. To make solicitation or petition for something desired.
6. To approach or accost someone with an offer of sexual services in return for payment.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/solicitation

--So I'd say it was more like #4 or #5 above--the something desired being the cheap thrills

--How would she sue him if she participated at any time? (Consider the Trayvon case where any amount of engagement with an aggressor can be used to the defense's advantage). We have no idea of how many women he might have approached who were very much offended and didn't participate but would be unwilling to accuse him (happens all the time), because no proof exists. You can have sexual harassment over the phone. Ever been stalked by someone who calls you up and talks dirty? It's the same thing but Weiner's a little more clever and wants to sucker the prey into a long term phone sex partner, so he plays nice. As far as we know, that's what he wanted, not actual sex.

Bottom line:
No matter what she did, the fact that he engaged with the multiple women in this way at all was stupid. It's the stupidity, the risk, the cover up and the idiocy of it all.

[VanillaRhapsody]

173. that doesn't apply and YOU are smart enough to know that.

Even if so....how does that make him such a horrible horrible person? This is ridiculous!

[marions ghost]

175. Nobody is saying

he is such a horrible person. There are worse crimes than flashing for sure. He's merely arrogant, creepy, and risky for the political office he seeks.

If he just wanted phone sex, you can pay for that and get good service. But he targeted women, wanted to get to know them, and upped the ante to get his jollies. He had to be a naughty boy who might get caught by Mommy. Cheap thrills. What's more he can't stop. If you can't see the problem there, can't help ya. I think you're smart enough.

Carlos Danger just has too much of a rich fantasy life as to the appeal of his sad e-weiner.
Hey, did you see Colbert--he tore Carlos up.

[VanillaRhapsody]

171. Clearly a misuse of the word on your part.

a : to make petition to : entreat
b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding>
2
: to urge (as one's cause) strongly
3
a : to entice or lure especially into evil
b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute
4
: to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations>
intransitive verb
1
: to make solicitation : importune
2
of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money
See solicit defined for English-language learners »
See solicit defined for kids »

[marions ghost]

174. Your obfuscation is showing

[VanillaRhapsody]

106. Even if what you are saying is true....there are strip clubs all over America that prove

Arrested adolescence is epidemic!

[marions ghost]

114. You're missing the point

--when a certain line is crossed, it amounts to sexual harassment and abuse of power. Stalking is part of it. No he didn't do anything physical, and these type of guys usually don't. They like being very naughty without consequences.

Strip clubs--prove that arrested adolescence is epidemic. Agree, but that's a show. This is interactive. Most mature people don't stalk and flash. Most mature people know where the boundary is.

Isn't that what you'd want in a politician? Maturity and good judgment.

[VanillaRhapsody]

138. He never sexually harrassed anyone!

He showed a woman in a sexual chat his junk!

[KoKo]

98. Well Said "MG" and many here would agree but afraid to speak out or they

would be considered not "Politically Correct" enough when it comes to a Democrat running but if it were a Repug the story would be presented very differently by some here.

Your analysis is spot on with how it will be played. They are even getting better with playing the angles to the story because they now can hire Big Time Image Making (or Image Revising Strategists) who are making stuff "go away."

After all...most of the Wall Street Bankers who should have been tried for their criminality managed to get away with everything they did and so did Clinton and others...so all you need is a Big PR Team and a few Reporters in your pocket and all can be Spun Away.

But, it does distract from issues and gives the MSM a good bump in Advertising Revenue...while the Country goes to HELL!

[VanillaRhapsody]

104. the DIFFERENCE is .....WE don't run on the Family Values plan....like Republicans do

the reason they get it is because they are Hypocrites! THEY want to tell people what to do with their junk....not us!

[marions ghost]

117. Yep

we think alike.

All the drama, apologia, debates about the meaning of sexting for gdsakes, all the smoke & mirrors & creative obfuscations. Yawn. He's a looza.

Are Dems so pathetic we can't imagine a better candidate than Weiner for mayor of NYC? We have to stop being PC and demand the best, or we will get the mediocre and even the risky.

But I agree, the spinners are on it.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

134. Why would a better one want to considering all the Holier than Thou...pearl clutchers

we have in the party. You'd have to be crazy at this point! When we jump at the drop of a hat with the circular firing squad....why would a "good and smart" candidate want to?

[marions ghost]

136. tired of this subject

you can't put lipstick on it. It's yet another good message for politicians --not to underestimate the power of their personal perversions to eff up their careers. I'm sure the Filner stories are not helping good ol Anthony.

There are plenty better than the Weiner--he's schnitzel now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

137. then where are they?

You realize that NYC Mayor had Guiliani and he broke up with a girlfriend on National TV right?

[VanillaRhapsody]

139. He is not running for Congress, Senate or the Presidency...or even Governor

this is Mayor of NYC. Good grief!

[jeff47]

77. Really? A 22-year-old is "13 or so"?

Gonna toss out a lie like that and then claim it's Weiner that's the problem?

[aquart]

133. Now he's a CHILD MOLESTER?

Tell me, are you frothing at the mouth? Is your zipper open?

ARE YOU THAT FRIGHTENED OF THE NYC DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?

[MrModerate]

80. It comes down to judgment and self-control . . .

Both of which seem to be defective in Wiener's case.

It has nothing to do with "family values," it has to do with whether Wiener is reliable enough to be put in charge of anything.

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. How's Bill Clinton's judgement? He actually had carnal knowledge of Monica....

[Egnever]

85. He running for some office?

I like the big dog. But I havent seen any reports of him repeating his behavior. Nor have I seen him running for any office.

[VanillaRhapsody]

87. He has...and so have others and so WILL others....

they are what they are....not running for pope. I don't care what they do with their sex life.

[MrModerate]

88. I'd have to say that Clinton's judgment on sexual matters is pretty iffy . . .

But then again, his achievements exceed Wiener's by several orders of magnitude.

Also, sex and sexting aren't really equivalent, either in fact or in the public mind. Sex is sex, while sexting is just icky.

As Mark Twain said in an entirely different context, it's like the difference between "the lightning and the lightning bug."

Wiener's no dummy — he knew the risk, and did it anyway. That suggests a risk-taker who's not very good at managing risk. Not someone you want in Gracie Mansion.

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. Sexual matters maybe....

Thats your opinion that sexting is icky....some thought homosexual sex was icky too....but we are democrats and do not care what other people do with their dangly parts!

[MrModerate]

122. Sexting is worse than icky . . .

. . . it's unserious and juvenile.

Which we don't need any more of among our politicians.

Sex, on the other hand, is what drives human beings to take that next breath. It's a much more potent force (pun intended).

Which is why what people do with their dangly parts poses next to no problem for dems/progressives. However, once those dangly parts start showing up on YouTube, then the owner's credibility is shot, probably forever.

Being horny is fine; being ridiculous is not. Any politician who doesn't get that probably shouldn't be getting votes.

[VanillaRhapsody]

141. OMG....now they need to be chaste too?

sexting is sooooo icky...yeah right.

[MrModerate]

165. Not asking for chastity . . .

Just a minimum of good sense. Wiener has failed. Again.

[VanillaRhapsody]

168. Who decides what is "good sense"?

there are PLENTY of kinky behavior far far worse than sexting...You may even have kids that have already done it. This is like the argument if they ever smoked pot they are not qualified....cause you know people who do that don't have "good sense". Or how bout smokers.....they are risking their health....that's certainly not "good sense" should we disqualify all smokers too?

How bout people who hang glide or parachute? Or drive Nascar....or etc etc etc.

[MrModerate]

177. Everybody decides.

To be successful, politicians need reliable instincts about what makes people tick, and what people's responses to any given bit of news might be.

Politicians with good sense aren't: sexters, gambling addicts, admitted atheists, Nascar drivers, pet abusers, or hang gliders.

Politicians with good sense don't: lie, cheat, or steal when they can be caught; carry on in ways that make them look foolish, silly, or perverse; or associate themselves with organizations that significant numbers of their constituents consider inappropriate.

Political leadership is as much theatre as it is anything else, and if you blow the illusion, the whole think falls apart.

Weiner just doesn't get it and has thereby disqualified himself for higher office (which is not to say he'd necessarily lose the mayoral race). But national office? He's toast.

[marions ghost]

145. Being horny is fine; being ridiculous is not

--which is as good a way as any to point out the difference.

Ridiculous, with a distinct mal odeur of obsessive-compulsive lechering = pathetic.

[Trajan]

112. Still going on and on ....

Dont you feel a little ... unclean ? ....

Your advocacy of that turd is filled with lame innuendo and clearly fallacious statements ....

You have defined yourself here in DU with this .... It's not a pretty picture, and it will be remembered ...

VanillaRhapsody ... The DUer who doesnt give one shit about the reckless judgement of a mayoral candidate ....

[okieinpain]

127. me. n/t.

[femmocrat]

3. And Rev. Al is re-hashing the George Zimmerman trial.

Again.

[mzmolly]

4. Ed and Keith

are gone or moved to different time slots, for starters.

[dsc]

6. It is quite unfortunate that Keith is apparently quite difficult to work with

His show was often good and informative, but clearly he must be a horrible employee.

[quakerboy]

107. Im sure

Bill O and Rush are just the nicest guys ever to work with. Thats why their networks keep them, as compared with oh so hard to work with Keith.

[dsc]

164. If Keith brought in anything like the money they did, people would work with him

the fact he has yet another tv show now is testament to the fact he does bring in some money. That is why the fact Limbaugh is losing sponsors is so devastating to him. If this continues he will at least see a huge cut in his contract.

[quakerboy]

178. I doubt it

Ideology and message is ironically more important in some circles than the free market.

[mzmolly]

176. Indeed

it is.

[Samantha]

125. I think that is it

Every since the COMCAST/NBC merger, they have made a lot of changes. They say it is to meet the demands of their sponsors who want to target an audience in a certain demographic -- I think it is something like 25 to 40 year old viewers. They believe they have to have hosts in that same age groups, but the truth of the matter probably has something more to do with the fact they can pay these younger hosts a lot less than people like Keith and Ed.

Keith Olbermann wanted out of his contract and had his attorney begin negotiations with MSNBC for him to leave. He said he thought he would be muzzled once the merger went into effect. So just take a look at that and think also of the adverse publicly MSNBC "leaked" about Ed, think about all the other figures we have heard are being eased out and it all adds up to gross mismanagement and/or poor judgment on their part.

Just my opinion -- but they have lost me for sure.

Sam

[Tx4obama]

5. Ever since they put Chris Hayes in the Olbermann/Schultz time-slot I watch MSNBC a lot less

1) MSNBC needs to get rid of the Chris Mathews replay show

2) MSNBC needs to replace Chris Hayes

3) And I wish Maddow would shorten her first segment up a bit, it always seems too long - and when the topic is something I'm not interested in I normally will get bored and change the channel

[mimi85]

39. I agree except

for the Rachel bit. I like how she starts out with something seemingly unrelated and ends up with a good story. I don't mind Chris Hayes; he just should have been left on the weekends.

When Ed left is when I started watching a lot less. Although I've read that lots of people have stopped due to election fatigue from last year. It seems everything is Weiner, Zimmerman, Snowden, and GG.

[Dagny_K]

128. So do I!

My regular routine was disrupted when Ed Schultz was gone from the prime time lineup. Chris Hayes should have remained on early Saturday morning. He's not good enough. I've watched his show when Ezra Klein has been subbing. And YES we don't need a double dose of Chris Matthews talking over everybody.

Sadly, I don't like Ed's weekend show. He's too ANGRY now.

[fadedrose]

151. +++++

[Larkspur]

159. B.s on #2 -- Chris Hayes has been excellent

His opinion pieces are extremely well written. I've enjoyed watching Chris since he's been on MSNBC. He's an excellent host.

Ed Schultz has a radio talk show in the afternoons and he admitted that preparing for both the radio and his MSNBC show was a strain. Because he has a radio show, Ed had a ready made audience to follow him to his tv show. Hayes doesn't have a radio show and needs time to build an audience.

[bigwillq]

7. I don't watch any of the cable news shows

and I am perfectly fine with it.

Most of the cable news shows have become too partisan, biased and sensational.

[TreasonousBastard]

72. Yup! I want news, not my opinions validated. Or argued with.

[bigwillq]

73. I can't watch

because of all the fighting and speaking over each other is annoying.

Plus, I get my fill of that on the DU! BWAH!

[JI7]

8. they mostly do well during big election seasons

i know we have elections like the mayor's race and other offices. but those usually don't get as much attention as presidential year or many senate races.

MSNBC never does well when it comes to non political news. CNN usually gets more when it comes to stuff like zimmerman trial , the royal baby , and similar stories.

[Sherman A1]

9. Figure 20 minutes of commercials

and 40 minutes of programing per hour and I think you would be closer to the reality today. This of course makes your argument that much stronger.

[dsc]

11. I was trying to be kind

because I do think it is at least more like 15 minutes of commercials, promos, and theme songs.

[quinnox]

10. Cornel West said msnbc has become part of the plantation

its basically unwatchable and needs to be relaunched from top to bottom.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

16. it was always a trojan horse. witness all the rw guys making political contributions

Nothing. Nada.

Olbermann makes contributions and is fired? yeah, I know Keith can be a difficult jackass to deal with on the set, apparently.

But the fix has been in for quite some time on that channel.

Literally, the only thing somewhat watchable about that network in all of my times viewing it were Rachel Maddow shows.

Now that I don't have a TV I just don't keep up with that pablum.

[mimi85]

44. Ugh. I can't change the channel

quick enough when West is on.

[quinnox]

65. In that case, you should enjoy this clip

[Theoted]

55. MSNBC not relevant

Msnbc has become irrelevant to news, but on the other hand, most broadcast news has no relevancy to anything in my world. My advice: Visit your public library today and check out a book. Even read MAD magazine ---- it easily stands head n shoulders over anything on TV.

[fadedrose]

150. ++

[dionysus]

91. LOL

maybe he can start a show called "Why I'm jealous of Brother Obama and Brother Shultz and Sister Maddow" on RT or something.. I bet the ratings will sizzle....

[HiPointDem]

131. nor is it actually 'left'. it's right.

[fadedrose]

152. +++++

[pintobean]

14. Maybe their producers are reading ECM

and other such rags.

[rurallib]

15. for me the overcoverage on Zimmerman/Martin

really turned me off. Night after night, hour after hour.
I am not a fan of Tweety's to begin with.
I thought dumping Ed Schultz was a really stupid decision because Ed was the only one talking about jobs and economy.
Hayes' shows seem more like a discussion at the Frat over beers.

Still love Rachel, but usually I am doing other stuff at that time. Lawrence is interesting sometimes, but often quite preachy.

Recently I have been watching Current. They did not do Weiner all night. They gave Trayvon time but not all shows.
MIchael Shur is definitely liberal, Uyger a known quantity and Fugelsang quite refreshing.
Too bad they are going away.

But AlJazeera has scored at least a couple good good reporters so I am definitely going to give them a look.
Soledad O'Brien and David Shuster is a good start.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Well the Filner scandal is international, not kidding (CBC crew was there on Monday)

though it is funny to watch the NY centric press make basic time line mistakes, or run photos of the press gaggle that do not go with the press conference he is showing. That had both hubby and I laughing out loud. Yes, we have been at more than a few... just filed the last one, and I expect another one tomorrow. We are in that cycle now.

Here is what Hayes is not telling you, and I think I will have to put my Poli Hat on and write an article on that.

The Southern California Democratic party is splintering... the San Diego Democratic Party is already splintered, and will only get worst... as the splinters are widening. Oh 2014 is going to be a no holds barred internal fight from hell. I do not think Progressives and DLC types will be able to talk to each other for a while. And then there is the base, which is pissed... and you cannot tell them that this is not a republican driven scandal, because they don't buy it.

Filner (he won't by the way) should resign, not for the good of the city, but the party and the progressive wing of the party. Me, I won't ask him to resign, but my political science hat just goes... amazing the damage he is doing!!!! (Did you know he is the first dem elected to office in a generation?)

The allegations, expect more of this by the way, we are starting an office pool as to when actual charges are filed.

As to Weiner... well, he is running for mayor of a small town in Minnesota I guess... oh wait, that is NYC... San Diego is the 8th largest City, I think NYC is in the top five. Plus scandals, and salacious are even worst, attract eye balls.

My problem is... I don't hayes is very good at this... and if he makes (or the control room makes) such basic mistakes with photos... I wonder what else they are getting wrong with both of them.

Also.. my opinion... we should stark talking of these scandals for what they are, sexual harassment, and how this should be very much unacceptable in our society, period. (On and as far as filner is concerned, expect more today, two more women came out, and they've gone to the Sheriffs... we are thinking of starting a pool as to when charges are filed)

[dsc]

19. sending photos of your junk to people who wish to see photos of your junk

isn't sexual harassment. Filner is frankly beyond sexual harassment into full criminal behavior as far as I can tell. Yes, I know NYC is large and important, etc but so what. He isn't going to have any say, even if he wins, in my life or that of the majority of the people who watch MSNBC.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. some of weiners photos were not consensual

and I hate to say it, if you are a NYC resident, having a dysfunctional city hall... sucks.

As to Filner... editor and I were going over the possible charges so far.

Sexual Battery and Pay to Play are among them

What bothers me is not that they are covering it... but HOW.

There is a lot of meat.

The articles I have sent so far are the facts ma'am, but they are the place for politics and they are not even doing the facts ma'am. Nor are they doing poltics... more like TMZ

[pintobean]

25. Did it not want it's photo taken?

[leftstreet]

43. ...

[dionysus]

96. you have the gall to laugh at the media "making mistakes"? you can't even spell "rifle"

shall I link to the DOZENS of times you spelled it "riffle"?

Christ on a cracker...

[DevonRex]

108. She can't hear you. She has her "Poli hat" on.

Whatever the hell that might be. I've got it! Polikarpov hat!!!


http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?1920vehicle_Po2pict.htm&1

[pintobean]

105. International?

I guess someone drove down to San Ysidro and tossed a few copies of East County Magazine over the fence. That CBC crew may have been protesters from Community Bible Church.

[dionysus]

111. ah, the ridiculous hyperbole we know and love, right?

[earthside]

18. Weiner, the Baby and GZ.

Really, it has been a horrible couple of weeks for watching MSNBC.

The Zimmerman story did deserve a few days coverage, but even then not by every single program to the virtual exclusion of everything else.

As for Weiner and the royal baby --- ten minutes or so.

MSNBC needs to be the more intelligent 'news/opinion' channel.
That is just the kind of folks progressive TV viewers tend to be.

And ... I do like Chris Hayes, however, he is too much like Maddow. The evening programing is just too unvaried. Really, they ought to consider a 'Crossfire' type show during Hayes's slot.

A better schedule would be Bashear, Sharpton, Hayes, Matthews, debate show, Maddow, O'Donnell.
That would introduce some variety in styles between programs.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

21. I stopped watching MSNBC once all the phony scandals started taking up airtime.

Then once the Snowden affair started and Hayes ruined Ed's old time slot with appearances by Greenwald and other useless things, I abandoned it completely.

Now I only tune in to Stephanie Miller, watch the daily WH press conferences, and only switch to CNN for huge breaking news events.

[LittleBlue]

22. I read one of the presenters wore tampons as earrings

Shocking behavior for a news organization. No doubt the royal baby is getting top coverage as well.

That channel was dead to me after Keith left and it seems to have gone way downhill since

[Larkspur]

160. That was Melissa Harris-Perry

She put them on to support the Texas women opposing the anti-abortion laws. They entered the Capital building with women's products, like tampons, which were confiscated by the state policie. But if you had a concealed gun when you entered the Captial building, they'd let you keep it.

[dogknob]

24. They might as well change it to a 24-hour reality show and call it "Real Liberals."

MSNBC is a show... produced by a network that is not at all liberal.

[Firebrand Gary]

26. Chris Matthews spent the first 1/2 hour of his show on Wiener. WTF?

He's running for Mayor, 1/2 an hour on a national news platform? That's insane! MSNBC is going to continue to bleed viewers, Anthony Wiener, Royal Baby and I personally think the way that they managed the George Zimmerman trial was disastrous.

Why is Al Sharpton the only one who gave the Presidents speech any real discussion so far? MSNBC, please pull your head out of your ass.

[notadmblnd]

27. I turned it off last night and I turned it off again tonight too

nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Because MSNBC's demo aren't elderly shut-ins who are forced to watch cuz they can't change the.....

channel? By the way, what are the US numbers for Current & Al Jihad,, er I mean Al Jazeera? Better yet, does anybody even bother to measure viewership for 'em?

[putitinD]

78. Its Summer, I've been shutting off the TV and going outside to enjoy the nice weather

[Tarheel_Dem]

119. And you're not the only one. MSNBC obviously doesn't come across with....

the cash to have their network displayed in nursing homes, rest homes, restaurants, jiffy lubes, etc. The folks who frequent MSNBC watch election coverage, they don't much care about day to day politics. MSNBC's formula is based on politics, not news, and I think that hurts them every bit as much as their younger demo tuning out between elections.

[dionysus]

92. they're all watching Russia Times online....

[Tarheel_Dem]

120. !!!

[backscatter712]

30. They need another firebrand like Keith, but the executives want it watered down...

...and they wonder why the viewers pass it up.

Granted, KO was a difficult person, but surely there are others who could do some real hell-raising. But the executives don't want to hire them - that would rile up the left-wing too much, and they can't have that.

[grasswire]

31. the talking heads on O'Donnell were not happy with this

Ari Melber, a smart smart guy.
Sam Stein, a smart smart guy.
Karen Finney, a smart woman but a personal friend of Mrs. Weiner


Lawrence held them captive with inanities for 21 minutes.

The only one happy about that was the sex therapist guest.

[kelliekat44]

32. Believe me when i tell you FOX "news" if forced on a lot of people in business facilities and medica

medical facilities. And no one can change the channel. It's all part of the dumbing down of America by the RW.

[Dawson Leery]

52. +1

[olddots]

33. We switch from Current to free Speach TV to MSNBC

what do we get ? hopelessness between commercials .

[The Wizard]

34. lazy cheap TV (NT)

[malaise]

35. Rachel also covered Governorw

Ultrasound, Bob Mcdonnell and his corruption.
Still They should cover Re THUG nastiness like the other side of the so-called scandals.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Bob Filner is not a so-called scandal

Nor was it started by republicans.

Hell...the calls to resign are being led by progressive democrats.

[dsc]

45. I agree that he merits coverage

and that he is a scandal. He needs to go to jail.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. i agree

but it will take time

[dsc]

49. apparently he can't be removed but for a recall or an arrest

He deserves the arrest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. want to join the office pool

[malaise]

47. I have no problem with covering his scandal

He owns it.

Still too many of us forget that Comcast now controls GEMSNBComcast

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. the problem is what they are doing

or rather how

[VanillaRhapsody]

97. NOW THIS is one I can get behind....this was unwarranted and harrassment.

Anthony Weiner is nothing compared to this guy!

[Old Codger]

37. First they have become boring

So jump away pretty fast because of that but as soon as hey started inundating with the ads for getting rid of IRS by RW asshats that was pretty much the end for me, I do not need that crap in my home,if I wanted that I would watch faux.

[99Forever]

38. Corporate pablum, all of it.

It rots your mind.

[relayerbob]

41. You mean ....

Major network news programs hype exploitative stories to push ratings? Who'da thunk it?

[DeSwiss]

48. If they can't razzle you with the scandals......

...they'll dazzle you with the BS. I gave up teevee a dozen years ago. Nothing's changed.

- In the ''vast wasteland'' there's never any there, there......

K&R

[Faygo Kid]

53. I miss Ed in prime time

People's economic hopes, Social Security, medical care, unions - he touched a populist chord that is lacking there now.

[OnionPatch]

54. Agreed. Too much time covering fake scandals.

I wanted to hear real news. Or how about some guests with interesting ideas on fixing our problems?

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Lawrence spent his first 21 minutes on Weiner. This is the same guy who preached

at Rolling Stone for having actual reporting as if he has some sort of ethical superiority as a guy with an hour long commentary show which employs no reporters or investigative journalists.
That is why that sneering bastion of posturing fakes is failing. Who the fuck is this shill to lambaste actual journalism?

[eilen]

74. Your posts never fail to resonate with me. Actual journalists are an endangered species. nt

[EC]

57. as die hard as I am

I still changed the channel last night. And Chris Hayes should be on Sat. not at night. He's a discussion show, not fast hit news. On week nights all we want is the cribsheet news. Week-ends are the time for comprehensive.

[reformist2]

58. It is summertime, in an off-election year...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. I suppose it's summer and many are at the beach?

[Wednesdays]

60. Bread and circuses.

[vlyons]

61. I like MSNBC

BUT the evening lineup has all the shows covering the same stories, night after night. The English guy Wolf, who is the VP executive content editor needs to exercise some discipline and make each time slot cover at least 2 blocks not covered by the other line-up talent. I could do without The Rev and Tweety twice.

[SCVDem]

62. DVR everything

I zap anything that gets overcovered or just doesn't matter.

In the meantime I watched Sharknado and some other SyFy movie of the week.

You know, educational TV!

[Larkspur]

162. Ditto! Love my TiVo!!

[barbtries]

63. totally agree

i watch Rachel in the morning and skipped the Weiner segment. i stuck in a CD in the car when NPR brought it up. a tempest in a teapot. i'd still vote for him and still wish he'd never resigned. amazed at his stupidity in this one regard however. but i don't want to spend another second on it.

[kaiden]

64. For us, it is summer.

Summer lasts a couple of months here in at altitude in Colorado. We sit outdoors --and not in front of a television -- for as long as the weather allows.

[George II]

66. I can't take Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, or Lawrence O'Donnell any more....

.....they just seem to have the same tired "guests" and say the same things over and over again.

What really gets me is O'Donnell with his "up next" teasers before EVERY commercial about his "rewrite", he starts 45 minutes before he actually gets around to doing the bit.

I only watch Matthews and Sharpton at night, and Wagner and Harris-Perry earlier and on weekends when they're on.

We need Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann back!

[Raine]

132. During the week Sharpton and Matthews are the only "must-sees" for me. I have to

see Ed on the week-end for sure, and Harris-Perry if I can. The others I find too annoying to watch.

[Larkspur]

161. Ed Schultz has a weekend MSNBC show

Have you watched it yet?

[George II]

170. Yes, occasionally - wish he was still on weeknights, every night.

[adieu]

67. I get my daily Maddow via the web

Don't know if they keep track of that (I'm sure they do). That way, if there were a boring segment, it's click to the next segment. I did that as well with Chris Hayes and found that I clicked too often to the following segments, so I dropped him. Ain't got that much time to watch all the shows.

It would be great if they don't repeat the same coverage over all the different shows. If Chris wants to do Wiener, go for it. Then Rachel should cover something else. And suggest to those who do want to see coverage of Wiener to go to the web and "watch Chris's excellent coverage of the Wiener scandal..."

[Douglas Carpenter]

68. I think MSNBC's reticence about criticizing the Obama in Administration in regards to the NSA makes

MSNBC look like a joke - It becomes what its accusers said it was, "A liberal version of Fox News" - Some of its reporters have shown integrity on this issues - some simply try to ignore the issues - but some others are simply spewing Sean Hannity type brain dead partisan hackery. This simply discredits the entire network as a legitimate news information source. '

[BlueStreak]

118. +1000. Although their decline started before then.

Basically they have no interest in dealing with the issues that really affect real Americans.

How much time did they spend on the "royal baby"? I can only imagine.

[dawn frenzy adams]

69. It's the Obermann/O'Donnell/ Schultz

When MSNBC replaced Keith Obermann with Lawrence O'Donnell, you knew this was going to be an epic fail. And it was. You would have thought that Phil Griffin had learned his lesson. But no! He took Schultz, whose niche was the working class and unions, and replaced him with the wonky Chris Hayes. Apparently, Griffin didn't learn a damn thing. Politicus USA posted this article on May 29,2013.


Excerpt:

Chris Hayes Delivers MSNBC’s Lowest 8 PM Ratings Since 2006


MSNBC’s great experiment of putting Chris Hayes at 8 PM has turned into a total disaster as All In is delivering the network’s lowest ratings since 2006.

Chris Hayes’ second full month in prime time since taking over for Ed Schultz saw total viewership drop by 32%, and viewership among those age 25-54 decline by 13%. All In’s bad ratings caused The Rachel Maddow Show to deliver its worst ratings month since 2008. Maddow’s ratings are down 21% in terms of total viewers, and 22% with viewers age 25-54. The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell had the smallest decline in total viewers at 18%, but suffered a 33% decline with viewers age 25-54.

Chris Hayes is going to take a lot of heat for these ratings, but it isn’t all his fault. Phil Griffin and the other “geniuses” running MSNBC tossed Ed Schultz out of weeknights because they thought they could remake the network as wonk TV, and attract more younger viewers with Chris Hayes.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/05/29/chris-hayes-delivers-msnbcs-lowest-8pm-ratings-2006.html

[HumansAndResources]

99. Its Not About Ratings, and it Never Was

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Ask Donahue - the best-ratings on the network, and they cancelled it because the owners had more money to make on war than from their media-propaganda tool, which Donahue was actively turning against them.

Recent changes in ownership / management don't change this equation. The primary stockholders do not intend to allow their anchors to go on the air with:
"The Billionaire owners of this station are among a Cabal of Thieves who support mass-murder around the world to protect their overseas vested-interests. A tape recording surreptitiously recorded at {insert private politician-industry-bankster conference here} by our correspondent reveals their next war of conquest will be ... "

Nope, don't hold your breath. Charlie Rose keeps his "confidentiality pledges" to such groups as well, so no help from PBS ... or National Petroleum Radio, for that matter.

This is why many of us threw out our Tee Vee Sets years ago, and gave up on most radio, and know Hollywood is running the same game. There is a lot of static and noise on the Internet, with plenty of disinfo being spread by the Pentagon / CIA propaganda armies (literally), but it is the ONLY place there are any significant bits of relevant truth to be found.

I'm not 'theorizing' on the propaganda, btw - not that it takes a genius to recognize the clear regurgitation of "official" talking points by the so-called "fifth estate" - or to ask "qui bono" regarding the perpetual wars. But if one has any lingering doubts about direct propaganda efforts by TPT (should not) Be, see:
here, here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here... just for starters.

[deutsey]

146. I agree 100%

Although I'm on the East Coast, I listen to Pacifica station KPFA via the Internet. I started back in 2000 after growing tired of NPR's rightward slide.

God knows, KPFA and Pacifica have their problems (never-ending factional drama within the station and network, mostly), but most of KPFA's programming is very informative and truly provides a left perspective/critique/analysis that I don't hear or see elsewhere.

[bonniebgood]

75. I made a donation to Weiner because of Chris Mathews hatred of

him. That spitball doughboy mathews said that Anthony wants to be mayor to tear down all the
good Juianno built in the city. I guess he forgot the nastiness Juliano did to his wife or think that we forgot. I watch msnbc about 3 times a month. which is too much. they never crucify a republican like that.

[dionysus]

94. how does it feel flushing money down the toilet? nt

[tiredtoo]

79. msnbc is bleeding viewers because

They do nothing but politics. they are from the left so those here probably like it but, some time we look for news. and the average viewer may just be getting sick of hearing the same ol same ol. Hour after hour after hour.

[BainsBane]

83. While CNN covered that stupid baby in England

[leveymg]

84. The divisions within the party are becoming almost as evident as those between the Dems and the GOP

And, I hate to say it, most of the MSNBC brass are on the other side on these cleavage issues, so these things don't get talked about enough - so we don't watch as much as we used to.

The ratings drop really is not a mystery. Same reason we've largely given up on the rest of the MSM.

[dionysus]

86. you could have just wrote "our creepy ass scumbags get a free pass"

[Doctor_J]

90. You would never see Fox running with Repuke scandals

Since MSNBC's target audience is Dems, I don't see the point in this.

[Stinky The Clown]

100. MSNBC is owned by the same sorts of people as Fox.

They got the Democrat they wanted last go round. Now they need the Senate. Then Jeb.

Fuck the liberals. They don't need us this time around. So they pull this shit.

[arcane1]

103. We Liberals deserve better than a channel co-owned by a monopoly and a defense contractor n/t

[Little_Wing]

123. Used to be so innovative & authentic

Now they waste their time rehashing Fox. If I wanted to watch those bigots, I'd tune in their station.

There's no originality, no freshness. Show me something that the right wingers feel the need to respond to. Is that too much to ask for?

Chris Hayes was fantastic on Sat/Sun. I miss that show so much!

My wish is that they could present an evening TV version of NPR's All Things Considered. In depth coverage of national news. Two hours of telling us what is going on in the country. We all know MSM "nightly news" is a freaking joke. Who's even takes it seriously anymore? Our country has been sliced and diced... We are disconnected from our sense of ourselves as a COUNTRY. All of the ALEC, right wing BS needs to be communicated to us as happening to us not on just a local/statewide level, but as interwoven dismantling of our country. THEN have the talking head's take and opinion (Rachel and Ed especially, put Chris back on the weekends-- don't care about the redundant O'Donnell).

Frankly, I learn more from one day's dose of Randi Rhodes' radio show than in a week (or more!) of MSNBC's prime time slate. And why isn't SHE on TV?

[Hekate]

124. Luke Russert has turned me off The Cycle. I sure hope he's not permanent...

... He's callow and still a cub reporter after all this time.

My greatest pleasure happened the other day while Princess Kate was in labor and everyone on MSNBC was nattering on and on and on. Oogly-googly. Poor Martin Bashir had been dragooned into this by virtue of his British accent. I kept turning the TV off -- then on, hoping for actual news -- then off. During one of the "on" moments I caught Martin Bashir in full career schooling Young Luke on the British economy.

What follows is an approximation only: "You're in Congress a lot. Those people you like so much, Rand Paul etc. want to enact the very austerity measures that have ruined the British economy. The British economy is in terrible state and not recovering. The American economy under President Obama's measures is doing very well by comparison."

I'm sure it was Luke he was thrashing, and I can only guess at what kind of ignorant, callow and shallow thing he must have said that got on Martin's last nerve. It cheered me up the rest of the day.

Hekate

[senseandsensibility]

142. Whether you like the coverage of the royals or not,

(not you in particular but viewers in general), Martin is the best at covering them. He actually knows what he's talking about. He has a long history of covering the royals in England, and in fact interviewed Diana when her marriage was falling apart and it couldn't be hidden any more. That was a major worldwide scoop, and how many years ago? US viewers seem to think that Martin just fell out of the sky, but he was a big deal journalist for decades in Britain. He also did an exclusive interview with Michael Jackson, and actually got Michael Jackson to talk about his painful childhood in a very poignant way. So he is not above celebrity news, and is the best at it. Of course he is also great at political discussion. Like you, I've really enjoyed his "take down" of some of the ridiculous American coverage.

[Hekate]

154. I like Martin Bashir a lot. He kept trying to explain the monarchy and its role...

He was cut off -- twice -- trying to say how many nations are allied in the Commonwealth. It's so much easier to yuk-yuk about the end of the Empire and then go back to oogly-googly over the birth of the baby that wasn't born yet.

Actually, I have nothing against the Royals at all. They actually have a job to do, and they do it, and most Americans have no idea at all what it is, just as we have no idea how many independent countries are in the Commonwealth and why it's important. I usually go "Canada, India, uhhhh," and there's over 50 countries.

Since I just visited London this spring for the first time, I was talking to my grandson (now 8 1/2) and was stumped by his incessant questions, so I'm doing a little studying up myself just now.

So congratulations to William and Kate, best of luck to them keeping the kid out of the fishbowl for awhile, and now can we return to news with content...

<-- this is me waving like Queen Liz

[Drunken Irishman]

126. It started because of their focus on the Obama 'scandals'...

Whether it was Benghazi, the IRS, the whole leaks scandal or the NSA, their constant attacking of Obama turned off a lot of viewers. I know people on DU don't want to hear it, but most liberals can only take so much Obama venom - whether from the right or the left. The constant criticism, when they hear it EVERYWHERE now, turned 'em off and they stopped watching.

The only person whose ratings haven't taken a hit, it seems, is Al Sharpton and he was one of only a few MSNBC personalities who didn't spend every waking moment attacking Obama.

[liberal_at_heart]

129. I don't watch cable news at all anymore. I'm tired of them telling me what I should be outraged

about.

[Enthusiast]

130. Kicked and Recommended. nt

[City Lights]

140. msnbc is the only cable news channel I'll watch.

However, I just don't watch much cable news anymore. I suffer from outrage fatigue, and after spending part of the day catching up on the news here, I don't have anything left for cable news in the evening. I tune in for "big news" events, but that's about it.

[ChiciB1]

147. What ARE The Ratings?

I hear Fox News is STILL the highest rating news station, but don't know. I started watching Current, but I think it's failing too.

Love John Fuglesang, and Stephanie Miller every morning. Cenk Uger is very good too, but I think many don't like him because he does try to report the truth whether Repukes or Dems like it.

A bitter pill for some. He has some very interesting guests, not the run of mill most channels have on all the time.

I been meaning to research what's going to be happening in about 3 weeks because the hosts have made comments about something happening in August.

Need to Google it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

148. Why are MSNBC's ratings down?

Easy,...it's viewers are doing this:



Fox "News" viewers are doing this:

[fadedrose]

149. I very seldom watch MSNBC anymore...

Too many people I liked are gone, and too many on that I'm just not crazy about. Too many round table discussions with too many people saying the same things.

I love MSNBC when there's an election or primary going on, but that's not often enough.

I like NEWS. About anything and everything. I watch CNN more than MSNBC to get national and international news. MSNBC can't afford reporters to cover the stuff - they have to borrow from NBC.

I get all the Weiner news I need from Letterman, and he tells me about Snowden too - more than MSNBC does.

If all else fails, I'm setting fonder of History 2 every day.

I still watch Rachel, but only if her topics are something I want to know more about, which certainly aren't Weiner or Eliot Spitzer.. She is at the mercy of her employers.

[nyquil_man]

153. What's the modern media without a strong dose of prurience?

Why do I get the feeling Anthony Weiner is pleased that his penis is getting so much attention?

[snooper2]

155. MSNBC isn't a news organization, have you seen what they play on the weekends?

[Hekate]

156. Their prison reality shows are disgusting. Give us a real expose with real questions asked...

... about the public/private prison systems in the US and some real proposed solutions. That might do some actual good.

[JDPriestly]

157. What is their take on the NSA scandal?

Or have they really even dealt with it?

[SoCalDem]

167. It's summer.. and there's no election right around the corner

and they still insist on copying others by repeating the same stuff hour after hour after hour after hour..

and they still invite right wingers on most shows..we are not interested in them..and their favorites watch Fox....it' s a lose lose.