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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnthony Weiner actually pisses me off quite a bit
OK, I confess I never liked the guy. He just struck me as a phony on some level.
The guy has no impulse control and no judgment.
Yes, I know it's his sex life and blah blah between wiener his wife, but the guy knows he lives a public life and he still behaves in this rash way that can do nothing but hurt and humiliate his PREGNANT wife. and then he does it all over again.
who but a total asswipe behaves like that?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)what I meant is that they are ALL phony and some are just better actors than others.
cali
(114,904 posts)Bernie Sanders is not a phony. I've met and spoken with him any number of times. for that matter, Pat Leahy isn't a phony either. Nor is my rep, Peter Welch. Yes, Vermont is a small state and meeting with and speaking with your Senator or rep is not a hard thing to do..
And how about that bit about no impulse control or judgment? Are you now going to claim that all politicians are just like that?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm not going to viciously attack someone who may be in need of mental health care.
cali
(114,904 posts)(read criticized)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think I'll refrain from such attacks for now. I'm hoping he gets the help he needs.
To me, this seems like a sad story of addiction.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Look, we have our local episode of the young and the restless in San Diego, with Mayor Filner, who was Congressman Filner, why our local tempest is now national... and we have had how many others in BOTH parties do this?
They used to piss me off. Then I used to go "their family problem." (after reading the complaint against Filner I almost expect more than a civil suit)... but at this point... it has to be more than just people with lack of self control.
And the power of political office does not help.
Yes, I think we can sincerely start asking if we need to start looking at some of this as more than just control issues, or quite frankly in at one least one case sexual battery.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And Vitter or Sanford aren't the posterboys of the GOP. No one even brings it up with them.
cali
(114,904 posts)that Sanford led titillating headlines for quite some time. If Weiner hadn't done it again, literally on the heels of the other times, he wouldn't be in deep shit.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Obviously they're full of shit but that's how the media would play it.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)the story would likely have been that he got past it to win, or at least make a strong run to be mayor of NYC in spite of the earlier episodes.
I think many might be as concerned with the completely dishonesty of a humble apology while continuing to do what he then said was a huge mistake. Not to mention, there is the riskiness of this habit. How likely is it that at some point he is played by a Republican operative - with the full test to be released say the week before an election or that he sends inappropriate material to someone actually under age. (I don't think claiming that the facebook account said 18 would affect how it is viewed by people.)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)her commercials here. There's something about her I don't like.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Twice voted term limits for mayor and council
She's out in my book
JI7
(89,279 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I just don't like her.
Squinch
(51,053 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
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BainsBane
(53,093 posts)on video footage now being shown on the Chris Hayes show
Ilsa
(61,707 posts)Doesn't sound like this was something she was okay with. Why does he want to publicly hurt her like this?
BainsBane
(53,093 posts)So has had a chance to deal with it. She seems to think it has stopped. I hope she's right.
Ilsa
(61,707 posts)BainsBane
(53,093 posts)What I thought when I saw her with him on TV without risking a jury hide. Let's just say I was thinking of vengeance for her.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)..it's the appalling inability to keep it secret.
As English aristocrats allegedly used to say: "Do anything you like my dear...just don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."
jessie04
(1,528 posts)Laugh a little......with all the horrible things in the world, this is minor.
I predict he'll still win the mayoral job.
cali
(114,904 posts)good.
And I predict that he'll drop out within 10 days.
You don't come back from this shit- particularly when you handle it as badly as he has.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)nt
cali
(114,904 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)his "hummer" out on the internet either.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)nt
Boomerproud
(7,970 posts)What's the difference? It's still part of Clinton's legacy especially since he was a serial adulterer.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)You could not be MORE wrong, and evidently have no familiarity with the history of how Lewinsky was manipulated and tape-recorded by a woman posing as a confidante/mother figure!
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/oct/03/news/mn-28942
How could Tripp have done it? What were her motives? How could Lewinsky have walked so blindly into the trap? The answer that appears to emerge from transcripts of the tapes, plus grand jury testimony and other documents released Friday, is that resentment over what Tripp saw as her own mistreatment by the White House turned her into an implacable, self-commissioned secret agent bent on revenge.
Like a police detective building a bond of friendship with a suspect, Tripp made herself more than Lewinsky's confidant. She became her counselor, her surrogate mother, her lifeline in a sea of troubles.
"I think I look at you as a mom," a tearful Lewinsky declared in one conversation.
"I know that," Tripp answered.
In another, Lewinsky told Tripp, "We have a really unique relationship, you know."
"There's a lot of mother-daughter there," Tripp suggested, offering to help Lewinsky find a therapist.
"You're a victim," the older woman said. "I think you should see someone simply because I think--(sigh)--it would help you cope. Because until this comes to a head one way or another, you aren't going to be Monica. Do you know what I mean?"
karynnj
(59,507 posts)There is no justification for the President of the United States having a sexual relationship with an intern. In fact, the first detail known of the start of their relationship - that she flashed her underwear should have led to a discreet note to personnel to fire her.
On a personal level, it was sad hearing that she thought he would divorce Hillary and marry her -- when in reality, he was still forgetting her name. (and he is a person known to have incredible skill at remembering names and faces. It is far sadder that Clinton put Hillary through the humiliation of having to repeat his lies on this - especially if she did not know the truth.
The difference between Weiner and Clinton is that at the point where it was clear that Clinton's Arkansas issues were not over, he was President and he had real accomplishments that set him apart from alternatives. (In retrospect, you wonder if an enraged Democratic party had persuaded Clinton to step down, how history would have changed. Gore would have continued the same policies and had a year or so to be seen as the Eagle Scout President with the same political positions that Clinton had Would he then have the same job approval or higher? Not clear, but it could have meant not President Bush II. )
Divernan
(15,480 posts)You're mistaken to interpret that as justification for Clinton. I have never respected Clinton since the Lewinsky debacle. It was Linda Tripp who TAPE RECORDED Lewinsky. And Clinton was not fool enough to sext with multiple total strangers. I agree there is no justification for the President of the US - OR ANY MARRIED MAN AND/OR BOSS having a sexual relationship with an intern.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)I don't know if he realizes he leads a public life.
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)Was that a typo?
sWeET
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)babylonsister
(171,102 posts)I will never believe him again, about anything.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)it displays a shocking lack of impulse control and judgment.
Sorry, but that is not a good thing in a chief executive.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)In fact, I think sex often plays a role for allowing impulsiveness and other attributes to be played out, manifested and expressed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I still think he needs help.
What is developing in San Diego is already border line criminal...as in actual sexual battery.
So I am not sure about that, and damn shame by the way.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)I think you need to switch to decaff.
cali
(114,904 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)That doesn't seem particularly separate to me. Nor does sexting from his Capitol hill office.
So, what new details of Weinergate are brought forth in today's excepts? Well Weiner was very proud of his Johnson ("It's a big office and you know that's not the only thing here that's big" , may have once masturbated in Congressional bathrooms ("'I had to do some wiping in the bathroom hehe,' he wrote minutes later." , may have some longstanding issues with his in-laws ("They just believe I should be Muslim or convert it makes for a lot of uncomfortable meetings" and "they are a bit backwards thinking" , didn't like his former rival and now replacement Bob Turner ("Just another rich businessman trying to buy himself an election like Bloomberg." and sometimes sexted while using an avatar with a photograph of his niece's facepresumably to keep his identity hidden.
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/11/weiner_sext_partner_pens_book_that.php
Her writings expose how Weiner, 47, sent explicit messages from his congressional office and even boasted about masturbating in the House toilets.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079436/Shamed-congressman-Anthony-Weiner-wanted-threesome-ANOTHER-MAN-sext-mistress-Traci-Nobles-claims.html#ixzz2Zvcv2WYI
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)The guy is a total asshole.
Raine
(30,541 posts)frogmarch
(12,160 posts)pretty much nails it.
I agree 100% with everything you said.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)There is something wrong with him.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Ilsa
(61,707 posts)his wife came out and said they have an open marriage, and she is doing the same thing. Not "allowed to do" the same thing, but doing it...
Okay, I don't think I could vote for him then, either. I think his judgment and impulse control are messed up, too.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Then run for mayor herself and beat his sorry cheating ass.
Some men are just pigs.
Sienna86
(2,150 posts)He appears to have a compulsion but I'll leave that to the mental health professionals. I would not run for office if I was in his shoes; I wouldn't want to further embarrass my spouse and child if nothing else. Certainly makes me question his judgement.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)The main issue is that with this lack of impulse control he hurts any progressive things he might be able to do for NYC if he gets elected, because he can be blackmailed, or the other shoe can drop at any time and really hurt his constituents by strengthening his right wing opponents just when he's trying to get something passed.
Right now his presence in the race hurts all New Yorkers who want to defeat Quinn, because he draws votes away from DeBlasio, which given this scandal, increases her chances of winning. Ugh.
I hate it when politicians (like Clinton) risk throwing us under the bus because of their sexual narcissism.
hue
(4,949 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)This behavior probably goes back a long ways.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that someday we will transcend our shame-based neo-Calvinist sexual fixations
and fetishes about the sex life of the "rich & famous".
It's a very unhealthy lop-sided litmus test, often used by people with dubious
agendas to blackmail otherwise decent people into doing their bidding.
I honestly believe we are better than that, and it's conceivable that we could
collectively rise above this kind of crooked back-door influence dealing.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Some want to "do" everybody and others don't want anybody to "do" it all. I guess it keeps things interesting and diverts our attention from the big picture.
SylviaD
(721 posts)He should drop out immediately. I'm not covering my eyes to his reprehensible actions any longer.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)nt
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)Those who strive to lead should represent the best in us, not the worst.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You can't be under 50 in politics and NOT be at least a little bit of an ass.
I wish it didn't come down to sex, but it often does. We have gone beyond the point of transparency when immature, though smart legislators do things you just wish the hell they wouldn't.
Unless you're Republican and over 50, sexually repressed... then you either wait for other men in public restroom stalls or through some after hours glory hole, and then are excused by your "brethren".
Politicub
(12,165 posts)The New York mayoral race just got more cray cray.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)impulse control for someone in public life - the phrase "poor judgment" would be putting it mildly.
davepc
(3,936 posts)to answer your question.
I have had it with politicians who think their rewards in politics are to behave like idiots and forget about any loyalty they should have for their constituents. I'm just sick of them.
Of course what he did to his wife is much worse. As for Weiner, he is not to be trusted.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)The Carlos Danger Name Generator
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This link is to an on-line "widget". I played and got the on-line name, Benito Catastrophe.
Johnny Noshoes
(1,977 posts)Carlos Distress here.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)(because I remember it!) JFK got a major pass from the press for all his playing around; consequently, not many people knew about his sexual appetites. It simply wasn't reported. I wonder how he would fare in today's 24 news cycle, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. He couldn't stop himself either, and that sounds like addiction to me.
Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th edition, pg. 24:
"The fact is that most alcoholics, for reasons yet obscure, have lost the power of choice in drink. Our so-called will power becomes practically nonexistent. We are unable, at certain times, to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the memory of the suffering and humiliation of even a week or a month ago. We are without defense against the first drink."
Or snort coke or slam meth or lose the rent money at Black Jack or expose ourselves over the internet.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)so nice to see you.
madville
(7,412 posts)Kind of like Gavin Newsom successfully recovered from his problems. I hope Weiner gets the help he may need or enjoys himself out of the public eye. One thing is for sure though, you can't do these things while in or running for public office.
Blue Owl
(50,532 posts)then it's fair game IMO.
If David Vitter, Larry Craig, etc. are all allowed to have indiscretions and continue their political careers, then why not Weiner?
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)We the party of the liberated woman, who is encouraged to stand up, and not be diminished by society can now say that the other side is worse, so we'll just go with it too.
Embracing what we object to in others, is not the party I've come to know, and love.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)If he did he'd be sending pics of the corpses so we were spared that . . .