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Do you have the right to resist law enforcement during an unlawful arrest? (Original Post) Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 OP
Resisting Arrest is usually determined before Unlawful Arrest n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #1
No jehop61 Jul 2013 #2
Nope. femmocrat Jul 2013 #3
Nope. Not in the slightest. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #4
If the cops think it's lawful you don't have much of a chance. rightsideout Jul 2013 #5
You will lose, even if in the right. arely staircase Jul 2013 #6
Probably not the smartest thing to do, just cooperate, if everything is alright you will probably be Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #7
No not really sharp_stick Jul 2013 #8
I took a Human Rights & Civil Liberties class once orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #9
yes. of course. just make sure you are rightous in your claim. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #10
Whaaa???? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #20
is there a question? nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #21
Is that Shakespearian ? Or just a cry for detention ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #25
That's not a good idea. Lil Missy Jul 2013 #11
It depends on the state, as state laws vary in this regard. PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #12
What court declares it an unlawful arrest before you have been in court? Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #13
Probably not a good idea considered how militarized the police has become these days davidn3600 Jul 2013 #14
My ex-wife once gave me a tee shirt safeinOhio Jul 2013 #15
No. It's not a smart thing to do. Cleita Jul 2013 #16
SCOTUS said you did in 1900, but that was some time ago, and the law may have changed struggle4progress Jul 2013 #17
No, and anyone who tries is in for a world of hurt BainsBane Jul 2013 #18
Sure, but the consequence is likely a beating or death. morningfog Jul 2013 #19
If you resist arrest, most cops these days will either taze you or shoot you. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #22
Probably depends wildly on venue these days Posteritatis Jul 2013 #23
Yes you can, but they'll just the $hit out of you and then arrest you anyway....... TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #24
no phillysquatter Jul 2013 #26
That's really two questions.. does the right exist, and can you exercise it.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #27
No. And this is why I DON'T TRUST POLICE. nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #28
The street isn't the place to resist, resist in court. Historic NY Jul 2013 #29
People don't really have rights. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #30
In a well publicized 1985 case from San Diego cpwm17 Jul 2013 #31
Theoretically yes. Practically, depends on jurisdiction. I've seen cases where someone killed a stevenleser Jul 2013 #32
If you can afford a lawyer, you have nothing to worry about. dogknob Jul 2013 #33
Maybe Old Codger Jul 2013 #34

rightsideout

(978 posts)
5. If the cops think it's lawful you don't have much of a chance.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not sure how successful you can be against an armed ego-maniac throwing his power, billy club and mace around.

Sorry coppers, that's how I feel about you from what I've seen.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Probably not the smartest thing to do, just cooperate, if everything is alright you will probably be
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

On your way. Not cooperating could result badly, ask yourself "Is this bad enough for me to give my life for", if the answer is no then just cooperate.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
8. No not really
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

you wind up actually committing a crime by resisting arrest.

You're recourse comes when you go before a judge...theoretically at least.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
9. I took a Human Rights & Civil Liberties class once
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

and the teacher said " you have as many rights as the arresting officer observes " see him in court, but not for resisting arrest .

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
11. That's not a good idea.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jul 2013

And, hypothetically, just because you deem your impending arrest unlawful, doesn't mean it is, in fact, unlawful.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
13. What court declares it an unlawful arrest before you have been in court?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jul 2013

You may consider it an unlawful arrest.
A court may eventually agree with you.
But if you resist arrest, the police are authorized to use greater force to arrest you, up to and incluiding deadly force.
Resisting arrest is, itself, a crime, so once you resist you havre added a crime to the one that you assume you haven't comtted. If you resist with violence, that is assualting apolice officer, another crime.

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
15. My ex-wife once gave me a tee shirt
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jul 2013

that said....

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say will be misquoted and used against you".

Sad thing is it's true.

By the way, she was a cop.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
17. SCOTUS said you did in 1900, but that was some time ago, and the law may have changed
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

John Bad Elk v. United States, 177 U.S. 529 (1900)
... At common law, if a party resisted arrest by an officer without warrant and who had no right to arrest him, and if in the course of that resistance the officer was killed, the offense of the party resisting arrest would be reduced from what would have been murder if the officer had had the right to arrest, to manslaughter. What would be murder if the officer had the right to arrest might be reduced to manslaughter by the very fact that he had no such right. So an officer at common law was not authorized to make an arrest without a warrant for a mere misdemeanor not committed in his presence ...
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/177/529/case.html

I'm not a lawyer, but I think there are only very limited circumstances under which I would consider resisting an arrest that I considered improper

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
18. No, and anyone who tries is in for a world of hurt
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:09 PM
Jul 2013

When you're booked, get a lawyer and use the courts to contest the arrest. Resisting arrest is itself a crime, so if you haven't done anything wrong and you resist, you now are guilty of breaking the law.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. Sure, but the consequence is likely a beating or death.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jul 2013

But, you would be in the right.

You are better off conceding the arrest and having the charges dismissed.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
22. If you resist arrest, most cops these days will either taze you or shoot you.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:24 PM
Jul 2013

So you're taking a serious chance of being killed. But at least you will have resisted, right?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
23. Probably depends wildly on venue these days
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jul 2013

The right exists in Canada, thanks to a fairly obscure court ruling earlier this year, but I have no idea what the case law in the US is on that. Either would fall under "have fun giving that defense in court," of course..

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
27. That's really two questions.. does the right exist, and can you exercise it..
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jul 2013

The answer to the first is yes. A law enforcement officer is not a deity, infallible and omnipotent.

Can you exercise it? Depends on the state. Many have statutes that you can resist an unlawful arrest.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
30. People don't really have rights.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

I wouldn't advise resisting arrest, unless you feel you are going to get the death penalty.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
31. In a well publicized 1985 case from San Diego
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

Sagon Penn resisted arrest, killed a police officer and injured two others. He was never convicted, though he went through two trials.

The local news media and much of the public sided with Sagon Penn. Witnesses said the officers racially assaulted Sagon Penn. Sagon Penn was black.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-02/news/mn-19309_1_san-diego-police

http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/metro/20020704-9999-penn.html

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
32. Theoretically yes. Practically, depends on jurisdiction. I've seen cases where someone killed a
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jul 2013

police officer who either hadn't identified themselves or wasnt making a completely legal arrest and they got off. Will have to find the case if you need it...

Edited to add: Its definitely not something I would recommend trying

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
34. Maybe
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jul 2013

But you also have the right of way in a well marked pedestrian crossing but if you step in front of a car you will be right but dead anyways.. do what hey tell you and sue later... Not worth the beating.

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