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flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 12:56 AM Jul 2013

A Letter to Edward Snowden Prometheus among the cannibals - Swoon!

* Read it and weep!

http://www.thenation.com/article/175339/letter-edward-snowden#

By Rebecca Solnit

Dear Edward Snowden,
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Billions of us, from prime ministers to hackers, are watching a live espionage movie in which you are the protagonist and perhaps the sacrifice. Your way forward is clear to no one, least of all, I’m sure, you.
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I fear for you; I think of you with a heavy heart. I imagine hiding you like Anne Frank. I imagine Hollywood movie magic in which a young lookalike would swap places with you and let you flee to safety—if there is any safety in this world of extreme rendition and extrajudicial execution by the government that you and I were born under and that you, until recently, served. I fear you may pay, if not with your death, with your life—with a life that can have no conventional outcome anytime soon, if ever. “Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped,” you told us, and they are trying to stop you instead.

I am moved by your choice of our future over yours, the world over yourself. You know what few do nowadays: that the self is not the same as self-interest. You are someone who is smart enough, idealistic enough, bold enough to know that living with yourself in a system of utter corruption would destroy that self as an ideal, as something worth being. Doing what you’ve done, on the other hand, would give you a self you could live with, even if it gave you nowhere to live or no life. Which is to say, you have become a hero.

Pity the country that requires a hero, Bertolt Brecht once remarked, but pity the heroes too. They are the other homeless, the people who don’t fit in. They are the ones who see the hardest work and do it, and pay the price we charge those who do what we can’t or won’t. If the old stories were about heroes who saved us from others, modern heroes—Nelson Mandela, Cesar Chavez, Rachel Carson, Ella Baker, Martin Luther King, Aung San Suu Kyi—endeavored to save us from ourselves, from our own governments and systems of power.

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A Letter to Edward Snowden Prometheus among the cannibals - Swoon! (Original Post) flamingdem Jul 2013 OP
Nice find RobertEarl Jul 2013 #1
Do you think it's a tad over the top? flamingdem Jul 2013 #2
Just your title was OT RobertEarl Jul 2013 #5
... Whisp Jul 2013 #3
Whisp .. I think I've finally seen the light flamingdem Jul 2013 #6
I feel better already RobertEarl Jul 2013 #7
I think he will. We know that he's faced many flamingdem Jul 2013 #9
there's more of this dribble at the link I'm sure but I've Cha Jul 2013 #4
.. but, but Cha don't you want to be free .. free like a bird with no nsa bugging your nest? flamingdem Jul 2013 #8
I want to be Free from Cha Jul 2013 #12
The Lone Rangers and their silver bullets are a constant nightmare struggle4progress Jul 2013 #15
I disagree with her regarding Snowden, but she's not "vote third party or don't vote" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #10
I know the writer and she's good people flamingdem Jul 2013 #11
I don't know what most people actual knew about the NSA. I tend to follow lots of links, so struggle4progress Jul 2013 #13
I like your analysis. My concerns have always been more about citizen power flamingdem Jul 2013 #14
You're not cynical enough. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #30
I would be but this avalanche of Snowdenmania makes me pause flamingdem Jul 2013 #31
As violin music softly plays, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #16
As Chief Justice, er, I mean Head Deacon Assange passes the hat. randome Jul 2013 #17
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, flamingdem Jul 2013 #22
Oh, that's good! randome Jul 2013 #25
Glad you liked it! flamingdem Jul 2013 #26
This is perfect for the Vanity Fair "Guessing the sentences in GG's new ES" book! flamingdem Jul 2013 #19
Let me open up another box of wine NoPasaran Jul 2013 #18
I needed a few glasses myself after reading that! flamingdem Jul 2013 #23
History's heroes are forever tarnished AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #20
If he's going to be a Russian citizen let's hope he'll be compared to Lenin flamingdem Jul 2013 #21
They can go on 'rides' together! randome Jul 2013 #27
I want to start the flamingdem Jul 2013 #29
Oh, boy. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #24
ha ha ha HOOOOHA! flamingdem Jul 2013 #28
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #36
Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker. MLK?? Anne Frank??? Why not Ghandi? cliffordu Jul 2013 #32
Snowden Crackers - flamingdem Jul 2013 #33
Hero or zero? Not enough info. cliffordu Jul 2013 #34
A binary dilemma 0/1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #35
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. Nice find
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

Wonderful sentiment. Some people are capable of stepping outside their world and trying to experience life as someone else feels it.

Snowden certainly has given up much so we can be free. Cheers to him!!

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
2. Do you think it's a tad over the top?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jul 2013

Maybe I'm a crushed idealist but it seems like the references to Anne Frank and Dr. Martin Luther King go too far.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
3. ...
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jul 2013
Snowden certainly has given up much so we can be free. Cheers to him!!



Did he free you? You don't sound free. When's he gonna do that for you?

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
6. Whisp .. I think I've finally seen the light
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jul 2013

You know we really should be open minded and maybe that way we'll .. be free!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. I feel better already
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:09 AM
Jul 2013


For years i had been hoping for something to break the spying wide open. And then came Snowden. It's is like a new day! Now it's up to Obama. Will he deliver, or fold?

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
9. I think he will. We know that he's faced many
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:12 AM
Jul 2013

obstacles. No one better in recent memory that could address the concerns raised, in my opinion.

Cha

(297,693 posts)
4. there's more of this dribble at the link I'm sure but I've
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:06 AM
Jul 2013

had enough bullshit for one day just from reading the first sentence.

Cha

(297,693 posts)
12. I want to be Free from
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jul 2013

hypocritical types like snowden who think they're the master of the universe but end up spewing propaganda like a stupid robot in Russia.

Big Bird!

struggle4progress

(118,356 posts)
10. I disagree with her regarding Snowden, but she's not "vote third party or don't vote"
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jul 2013

A Letter to My Allies on the Left
It's time we kick the “lesser of two evils” excuse and engage in a true political conversation.
Rebecca Solnit

... One manifestation of this indiscriminate biliousness is the statement that gets aired every four years: that in presidential elections we are asked to choose the lesser of two evils. Now, this is not an analysis or an insight; it is a cliché, and a very tired one, and it often comes in the same package as the insistence that there is no difference between the candidates. You can reframe it, however, by saying: we get a choice, and not choosing at all can be tantamount in its consequences to choosing the greater of two evils ...

I don’t love electoral politics, particularly the national variety. I generally find such elections depressing and look for real hope to the people-powered movements around the globe and subtler social and imaginative shifts toward more compassion and more creativity. Still, every four years we are asked if we want to have our foot trod upon or sawed off at the ankle without anesthetic. The usual reply on the left is that there’s no difference between the two experiences and they prefer that Che Guevara give them a spa pedicure. Now, the Che pedicure is not actually one of the available options, though surely in heaven we will all have our toenails painted camo green by El Jefe ...

An undocumented immigrant writes me, “The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with.” Or as a Nevada activist friend put it, “Oh my God, go be sanctimonious in California and don't vote or whatever, but those bitching radicals are basically suppressing the vote in states where it matters” ...

You don’t have to participate in this system, but you do have to describe it and its complexities and contradictions accurately, and you do have to understand that when you choose not to participate, it better be for reasons more interesting than the cultivation of your own moral superiority, which is so often also the cultivation of recreational bitterness ...


http://www.thenation.com/article/170202/letter-my-allies-left

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
11. I know the writer and she's good people
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

but this letter was a bit of a surprise. Anyway, she's very smart so I'm sure she'll be okay! I trust her to come to a reasonable place once the enthusiasm wears off a bit. Thanks for pointing that she has solid politics and isn't another Naderite Bay Area Loon.

struggle4progress

(118,356 posts)
13. I don't know what most people actual knew about the NSA. I tend to follow lots of links, so
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jul 2013

long before Snowden appeared on the scene, I knew that the NSA might be holding data for five years and that current practice allows retaining intercepts when NSA "believes" it comes from a non-citizen. And I expect that almost anyone of sound mind is concerned about the potential scale of such operations. But there are multiple conflicting principles here IMO. One is that after the lawless behavior of the Bush era, it becomes important to re-establish the rule of law. Another is the importance of exposing the "you should viote third-party or not vote" strategy of the libertarians, who have for several years now been working to strip otherwise progressive voters from the Democratic camp: they cost us NC IMO, and I'm not inclined to cooperate with that wavelength of the political spectrum right now. I think every informed person, who thought carefully about the current state of American politics, knew that Mr Obama would necessarily be a disappointment for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that the country has wandered into a dank and dismal political swamp, from which we will extricate ourselves only by a long determined unenjoyable slog. The methods of the Old Left remain relevant IMO, but they require somewhat tedious analysis and extended nuts-and-bolts grassroots organizing -- compared to which, it is relatively easy to convince oneself that bitching and moaning are productive and morally-superior acts

We can win many of the fights facing us -- including the necessary struggle for privacy, waged not only against the government but against the larger world of corporate data collectors, whether they be marketeers or privatized national security operators -- but the brunt of the work will not be done by self-satisfied keyboard commandos: it's going to require actually talking to lots of people face-to-face and providing accurate information and credible bite-sized bits of strategy

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
14. I like your analysis. My concerns have always been more about citizen power
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

regarding abominations like Citizen's United. If the NSA issue can get people talking about all of these related issues that would be great. I see it being used to drive a wedge and noticed that the No Labels group is paying for ads already, so the fight is beginning and it won't be pretty. The amount of real face to face effort required might explain why people have latched onto Snowden, for some escapism and wish for instant solutions.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
30. You're not cynical enough.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jul 2013

There's two factions on this board who don't care about the Democratic Party: Greens and Libertarians. I'm past the point of caring what either of them thinks. The discussions around this issue would be a lot more rational and fact-based without their naiveté screwing up the conversation. I didn't sign onto this board to listen to either the Tea Party or its left equivalent. Both are useless.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
31. I would be but this avalanche of Snowdenmania makes me pause
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jul 2013

about the vulnerability of the Democratic Party to these kinds of machinations.

I have been looking at all the connections, a Koch connection wouldn't surprise me, Libertarianism of Left or Right are a danger to the party because young people and the clueless are jumping on board.. just like Nader days.. and they'll start their bs about how it's useless to bother voting soon.

Assange and Co are nihilists, some here play at that, they embrace Russia of all things in their fervor to attack the USA. Meanwhile we have a viable President, but they work to destroy him even while knowing what the Republicans are all about, disgraceful.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. As Chief Justice, er, I mean Head Deacon Assange passes the hat.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:02 AM
Jul 2013

Be generous when it's your turn to donate! Here's my donation:
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
22. Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jul 2013

Except a man be born of data and [of] the Intel, he cannot enter into the kingdom of Wikileak. John 3:5

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Oh, that's good!
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
20. History's heroes are forever tarnished
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jul 2013

by this modern and moronic rush to compare everyone to a heroic figure of the past, whether they've earned it or not.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
21. If he's going to be a Russian citizen let's hope he'll be compared to Lenin
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jul 2013

or Trotsky. Or Putin someday!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. They can go on 'rides' together!
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jul 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
29. I want to start the
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jul 2013

Official Vladimir Putin DU Fanclub!

He's so misunderstood, we just need to give him a chance and make Obama be fair to him!

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
24. Oh, boy.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

Some people are so desperate for a hero they resort to creating ones out of fools and nobodies.


Anne Frank, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, TheTrueHOOHA.


Which one doesn't belong?

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
32. Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker. MLK?? Anne Frank??? Why not Ghandi?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jul 2013

Or Jerry Lee Lewis?

This fucking guy might be a hero, mebbe a zero.


This kind of frotteurism needs to go. Pfthhhh

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
34. Hero or zero? Not enough info.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jul 2013

I'll wait to canonize him until I know more.

Lotta bullshit making the rounds.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
35. A binary dilemma 0/1
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jul 2013

I haven't seen much reason to canonize him yet, but I find other issues more pressing. I think tracking is obvious considering the digital age. What I've noticed is that the issue is being used as yet another scandal to undermine the administration, so that's suspicious.

There's every reason to look at the Wikileaks connection. Assange has a program on Russian RT television, is friends with anti-semite Israel Shamir, Russian writer, and the FSB Russian security swooped in on the press conference along with ex FSB lawyer etc. so it looks more than convenient as an operation that has done damage to the USA with adversaries Russia and China. So he seems just a bit too hooked up in China and Russia. Demonstrations springing up in Hong Kong with printed signs and the talking points in place so quickly? Please.

My question is more: how innocent is Snowden?

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