Is Obama Poised To Create Stop-and-Frisk Nation?

[Purveyor]

by Brentin Mock, Thursday, July 18 2013, 1:51 PM EST

Earlier this week, President Barack Obama endorsed New York City police commissioner, and stop-and-frisk cheerleader, Ray Kelly as an adequate replacement for Janet Napolitano as head of the Department of Homeland Security. Under Kelly, the New York Police Department’s policy on randomly stopping people in the streets and then questioning and patting them down for weapons and drugs, imposed a stiff burden on black and Latino residents. According to the ACLU in New York, between 2002 and 2011, black and Latino New Yorkers made up close to 90 percent of those stopped by police — 88 percent of whom had no weapons or drugs on them when it happened. Kelly has staunchly defended the policy regardless of the racial profiling it codifies and its fruitless conclusions.

But Obama told Univision on Wednesday that “Kelly has obviously done an extraordinary job in New York,” and that the police commissioner is “one of the best there is” — an “outstanding leader in New York.”

“Mr. Kelly might be very happy where he is,” said Obama. “But if he’s not I’d want to know about it. ‘Cause, you know, obvioiusly he’d be very well qualified for the job.”

This endorsement seems tone deaf given the current conversations nationwide around national security. Kelly’s “extraordinary” work in New York City has led to the city council passing the Community Safety Act, which scales back the police’s ability to racially profile considerably. Kelly’s stop-and-frisk policy is being challenged in federal court by the Center for Constitutional Rights right now. Obama’s own Justice Department may be sending in a federal monitor to ensure that NYPD stops racial profiling. The following, questioning and apprehension of targeted black males is at the crux of the current debate around George Zimmerman’s killing Trayvon Martin.

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http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/07/obama_wants_ray_kelly_for_homeland_security_stop-and-frisk_nation.html

[The Straight Story]

1. He could eat live puppies wearing a unicorn mask while naked on TV and some would defend him

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

2. I think I'd draw the line there, unless they happened to be pitbull puppies.

[The Straight Story]

3. Especially if he pulled em out of an olive garden sack and had an after snack smoke

[tridim]

7. He could save the world economy after BushCo completely destroyed it, tackle the health care issue..

and end DOMA and Neo-DU would still criticize him for it.

Crazy how that works huh?

[The Straight Story]

8. We hired him, the right thing is to point out both the good and bad. Unless

someone is totally biased and wants to act like the RW did with bush where he could do no wrong.

[tridim]

10. The prediction in the OP will NOT happen. Period.

It's fucking pure poutrage, and so off base and out of character that it's laughable.

[Comrade Grumpy]

11. I wish I shared your certainty. Sounds like Obama thinks Kelly is a hotshot cop.

He ought to talk to his own Justice Department about the NYPD.

I don't know from "poutrage"--I just read what the president says.

[byeya]

15. The thread seems reasonable to me. Kelly was happy to have the NYPD called by Bloomberg "his army"

and I think living in the USA will resemble the ordeal one has to go through to get through an airport and onto a plane.
Kelly is bad news.

[Cha]

37. They don't appreciate any of that. It's the speculation

that gets their juices going.. he can do nothing right.. not even give a brilliant speech on racism and where we go from here to help African American boys like Trayvon Martin ..

And, it's "look over here.. he's not allowed to do that... because I have a complaint about something else that might happen!!111."

[Cha]

35. PBO could make a great impromtu speech on the verdict and racism,

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and where we go from here for African American boys and some would condemn him.

[midnight]

4. Interesting replacement for Napolitano..... This women was the Democratic Gov. of Arizona only to

be replaced by Jan Brewer that stirred up a racial storm in Arizona.... Now they are going nationally.....

[allin99]

5. :O. oh god no. obama, please don't. oh god. ...

where's the throw your hands up and just give the heck up.

of ALL the things.

and i told people here to have more faith in him. i'm done.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. Here's more details from the NTCLU:

http://www.nyclu.org/news/new-nyclu-report-finds-nypd-stop-and-frisk-practices-ineffective-reveals-depth-of-racial-dispar

The activity is increasing.

No one should now rely upon the courts to do the right thing. Bloomberg, Kelly, and others are confident that they won't. The Warren Court era is over, and it has been over for some time.

[tridim]

9. I guess this will be the new "Chained CPI"-ish poutrage of the day.

No, it won't happen. However MannyGoldstien will predict that it will, with the most dire, worst-case scenarios he can conjure up. Neo-DU will freak out for a few weeks and then when it doesn't happen, they will move on to the next faux poutrage. This will happen until the day after Obama leaves office.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. If you don't like the "poutrage"...

Maybe you could drop Obama a line and tell him to quit praising goons like Kelly and hinting he could be named.

[tridim]

16. Obama can't stop the daily Neo-DU poutragers.

You can though. I would be grateful if you gave it a shot.

[Bragi]

12. Yes. He's wobbly on most civil liberties issues /nt

[tridim]

17. Like ending DOMA and DADT?

Do you people think at all before posting this crap?

Your assertion is exactly 180 degrees out of whack with reality.

[Bragi]

18. I eagerly await your rebuttal

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-obamas-attack-civil-liberties-has-gone-way-beyond-imagination

[woo me with science]

26. Excellent article.

I have added it to my lengthy list below. Thanks.

[woo me with science]

20. He's worse than "wobbly." This administration is aggressively assaulting our civil protections,

just as it is carrying out an aggressive agenda in virtually every other policy area on behalf of corporate One Percent:


Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

Noam Chomsky: Obama's Attack on Civil Liberties Has Gone Way Beyond Imagination
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-obamas-attack-civil-liberties-has-gone-way-beyond-imagination

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

[uponit7771]

14. EVEN WORSE - OBAMA WILL WATCH YOU HAVING SEX!! I mean why not, he has a camera in every

...home and stuff and can get the data from the net tubes and things.

Yeah

/sarcasm <- cause this is needed

[woo me with science]

23. Your vapid sarcasm reeks of desperation.

As noted above, the record of this administration on civil protections is extensive and horrifying.

[uponit7771]

28. your "reeks of desperation" reeks of desperation and it's not "horrifying" whatsoever

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

19. Absolute nonsense. nt

[woo me with science]

24. Yet another completely empty response.

Putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "It isn't so!" does not change ugly reality.

[zappaman]

21. Yes he is!

And he is going to take away all our guns!
And we will become the fascist/muslim/nazi/dictablanda/stasi/dead empire!

[woo me with science]

25. And the parade of empty, helpless sarcasm continues.

How very revealing.

[Matariki]

22. "endorsement seems tone deaf given the current conversations nationwide around national security"

ya' think?

[woo me with science]

29. It's in our face at this point. It's brazen.

The administration has sided with Cheney that the Constitution is a goddamned piece of paper.

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296209

[forestpath]

30. He already expects federal employees to monitor and snitch on each other, that is a

pretty good illustration of his guilty until proven innocent mindset.

[Liberal_in_LA]

31. omg. Don't do it Obama

[woo me with science]

32. kick

[woo me with science]

33. Creepy, ominous endorsement.

But wholly in keeping with this administration's record of assaults on civil protections:





Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

Homeland Security Threatens to Punish Staff for Reading Washington Post NSA Articles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023298148

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296209

[Purveyor]

34. Oh hell, it doesn't matter one wit. Obama said a few pandering 'un-teleprompter' words and

mentioned Trayvon so all is good now.

[geek tragedy]

39. So, Obama talking about his experiences with racism is 'pandering' but answering

a question about Ray Kelly in textbook politician manner is evidence of evil intent.

Diagnosis: second degree ODS, with a minor occurrence of white privilege to boot

[Hekate]

36. No.

[woo me with science]

38. kick