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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:31 AM Jul 2013

Feud over who owns Happy Birthday song.

A PRODUCTION company making a documentary about the song Happy Birthday to You has filed a lawsuit in New York over the copyright to it.

Good Morning To You Productions says in Thursday's federal court filing that Warner/Chappell Music has been collecting Happy Birthday to You licensing fees for years.

Warner/Chappell claims exclusive copyright to what Guinness World Records has called the most famous song in the English language.

But the film company disputes the copyright, saying the song is "dedicated to public use and in the public domain."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/feud-over-who-owns-happy-birthday-song/story-e6frfn09-1226663569627#ixzz2ZTwYfdan

Came across this by accident. As far as I'm aware there's no doubt that Warners have the copyright and that a substantial amount of the receipts go to the foundation for children which was set up by the Hill sisters.

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You

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Feud over who owns Happy Birthday song. (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jul 2013 OP
A fuss over the copyright to a song that is de facto public domain. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #1
It's always in the credit roll in movies October Jul 2013 #2
I see no evidence the money goes to charity kristopher Jul 2013 #6
Goes to the Hill Foundation. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #8
I was going by your links in the OP kristopher Jul 2013 #9
Although its not explained there dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #10
Someone should organize a "happy birthday to you" singing day davidpdx Jul 2013 #3
no, just the organizers. Heather MC Jul 2013 #4
That wouldn't be commercial use dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #5
That's why all the annoying birthday singing in restaurants don't sing the song liberal N proud Jul 2013 #7
spirit journey formation anniversary.. frylock Jul 2013 #11

October

(3,363 posts)
2. It's always in the credit roll in movies
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:16 AM
Jul 2013

And, it's why restaurants celebrate birthdays by singing their own (usually loud and embarrassing clapping) songs to patrons.

I like that the monies go to charity, though. How refreshing!

If it's in the "public domain," then so is every iconic ad, symbol, logo, slogan, and anything else on billboard, buses, and magazines! Lol!! It's all "in our face" 24/7 way more than the once-a-year song!


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. I see no evidence the money goes to charity
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:47 AM
Jul 2013

It looks like nothing more than a corporate asset for profit. It wasn't even owned by the writers it is attributed to, but was copyrighted by an independent corporate entity that seems to have 'legally stolen' something that was essentially in the public domain.



dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
8. Goes to the Hill Foundation.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:57 AM
Jul 2013

"Happy Birthday to You" first appeared in print in 1912 using the melody of "Good Morning to All" with different lyrics.[6] Its popularity continued to grow through the 1930s, with no author identified for the new lyrics, nor credit given for the melody from "Good Morning to You". Based on 1935 copyright registrations by the Summy Company, and a series of court cases (which all settled out of court),[7] the sisters became known as the authors of "Happy Birthday to You". The Hill Foundation today shares royalties on public performances of the song.

Hill and her sister were posthumously inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame on June 12, 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mildred_J._Hill

Nothing was "stolen" . Copyright and publishing rights were set up in 1935 with another of the sisters. See Snopes : http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. I was going by your links in the OP
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:06 AM
Jul 2013

Which makes no reference to any charity or foundation.

Thanks for the extra information.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. Although its not explained there
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jul 2013

The actual back ground to the 1930's copyright case by Jessica Hill in association with a publisher was that "another" unassociated with the family had in effect done similar some years before and the '30s case was used to override that.

Yet another instance concerning copyright occurred in the UK in the '50s when two comedians in the music industry successfully got the publishing rights for Freight Train despite the fact that Elizabeth Cotton was still very much alive and well living with the Seegers. Elizabeth wrote that when she was just a kid at the turn of the last century.

I knew most of the stuff about Happy Birthday back in the '90s - a dance friend was in the legal dept of Warners in London and the subject came up while chatting about copying music.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. Someone should organize a "happy birthday to you" singing day
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:19 AM
Jul 2013

the whole world at one time. What are they going to do, sue us all?

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
7. That's why all the annoying birthday singing in restaurants don't sing the song
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:47 AM
Jul 2013

I have come to avoid restaurants that sing to customers who are having birthdays.

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