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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:59 PM Feb 2012

Goldman Sachs Admits Record Speculation To Blame For Skyrocketing Gas Prices

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/04/13/174989/sachs-speculators-gas-prices/

Saying that “net speculative positions are four times as high as in June 2008,” investment banker Goldman Sachs “issued a warning that the price of oil has grown out of control due to excessive speculation.” The world’s largest commodity trader, Goldman Sachs told its clients that it believed speculators like itself had artificially driven the price of oil at least $20 higher than supply and demand dictate. They even admitted that their work to drive up prices has harmed the American economic recovery, pointing to “nascent signs of oil demand destruction in the US.”

Ed Schultz, who’s been one of the few voices in the media sounding the alarm about unregulated speculators, yesterday bashed Fox News for selling the “drill baby drill” line in response to the surge in the oil markets. Former commodities trader Dan Dicker explained to Schultz that the CFTC is failing its mandate to control Wall Street:

Bottom line, it is not supply and demand.
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Goldman Sachs Admits Record Speculation To Blame For Skyrocketing Gas Prices (Original Post) TalkingDog Feb 2012 OP
“nascent signs of oil demand destruction in the US.” Good, finally. denverbill Feb 2012 #1
There will be lots of collateral damage if that happens taterguy Feb 2012 #9
US Oil demand is already shrinking and has been Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #19
Make them reimburse everyone for the extra expense Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #2
Hasn't been about S&D for some time now Loge23 Feb 2012 #3
We are all just pawns in their high stakes chess game. liberal N proud Feb 2012 #4
article is from April 2011. Crude went to $115 last spring, iirc. banned from Kos Feb 2012 #5
Yeah, but in April the Republicans weren't using gas prices as an "issue" against Obama. TalkingDog Feb 2012 #17
Grr... Speculation trading should be illegal. Initech Feb 2012 #6
First it was mortgages. Now it's oil and food. stufl Feb 2012 #7
My gratitude to Ed Schultz. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #8
"Rising Gas Prices Give G.O.P. Issue to Attack Obama". . annabanana Feb 2012 #10
Old article. I wonder what they're saying now. nt babylonsister Feb 2012 #11
For christs sake...at least take food and fuel off the speculators list russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #12
make the traders take possession of those commodities.. madrchsod Feb 2012 #13
when do we bomb goldman suxs pansypoo53219 Feb 2012 #14
Duh. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #15
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2012 #16
Are they not a "person".... sounds like they deserve a life in....... PRISON! CONTROLLED! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #18
Kicking to counter the crap narrative , "Gas prices up, Trouble for the Prez" annabanana Feb 2012 #20
Thanks, That's why I posted it even tho it's not "current" TalkingDog Feb 2012 #23
Please destroy them. It's time. aquart Feb 2012 #21
"...prices has harmed the American economic recovery..." unkachuck Feb 2012 #22
They do the same with food. People starve to death as a result. Isn't it time? Scuba Feb 2012 #24
then the cftc needs to raise margin requirements n/t Celebration Feb 2012 #25
It would be nice is the MSM covered this. Vinca Feb 2012 #26
Somone Has to Pay for the 2012 Election RevRN Feb 2012 #27
If the oil bubble sulphurdunn Feb 2012 #28

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
1. “nascent signs of oil demand destruction in the US.” Good, finally.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:13 PM
Feb 2012

Let's hope the speculators lose their asses when the oil price bubble bursts and consumers don't get fooled by low oil prices and start driving Hummers again. Of course, we'll probably just bail out the speculators.

taterguy

(29,582 posts)
9. There will be lots of collateral damage if that happens
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:50 PM
Feb 2012

US oil demand only shrinks when fewer people go to work, or go on vacation which employs people.

Fleet mileage continues to go up a bit but few people are changing how they get around. They just go fewer places.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
19. US Oil demand is already shrinking and has been
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:32 PM
Feb 2012

To the extent that this due to increased efficiencies, it is a net long-term gain for the economy. But the suddenness of this indicates that money flows account for a great deal of the rise in oil prices:


What happens in the US happens in other countries also.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
3. Hasn't been about S&D for some time now
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:19 PM
Feb 2012

This seems to happen every so often: the pigs return to the trough, fatten up, and the prices level off.
A month or two later the oil companies post record profits and no one notices since the prices are relatively low again.
Maybe if a few "speculators" were finally tied to oil companies then perhaps the rest of the planet may get it.
Maybe if the dopes in the media would stop broadcasting mis-leading information - such as threats that may cause the price to rise, but aren't - then people would wake the f^$* up .
Maybe if people took to the streets at oil company headquarters and other evil places like Goldman Sucks and protested non-violently in a manner to disrupt their business, then this BS may stop.

But, naaaah, we'll just pay it.

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
5. article is from April 2011. Crude went to $115 last spring, iirc.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:35 PM
Feb 2012

crude is now $102/bbl.

Anyway, their long spec positions failed since crude fell below $90 last summer.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
17. Yeah, but in April the Republicans weren't using gas prices as an "issue" against Obama.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:11 PM
Feb 2012

Now they are, and it's time to remind people why prices are through the roof. And it's definitely NOT Obama's energy policies.

stufl

(96 posts)
7. First it was mortgages. Now it's oil and food.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
Feb 2012

The world suffers and few get incredably wealthy.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH US THAT WE DO NOT STOP THIS UNBELIEVABLY BAD BEHAVIOR.

The financial industry no longer provides customer service and investment advice. They speculate, make themselves rich at everyone else's expense and we do nothing about it.

C'mon, read a book, become aware and stop this stuff!

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
10. "Rising Gas Prices Give G.O.P. Issue to Attack Obama". .
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 04:00 PM
Feb 2012

Funny that this should be the major talking point this morning, and not the OP. .

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
13. make the traders take possession of those commodities..
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

tax each share traded or tax the amount they are holding. that woulds separate the gamblers from the long term investors.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
20. Kicking to counter the crap narrative , "Gas prices up, Trouble for the Prez"
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:20 PM
Feb 2012

(which was all over cable today.. Load of beltway shit.)

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
23. Thanks, That's why I posted it even tho it's not "current"
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 12:10 AM
Feb 2012

Commodities trading didn't stop last year. The practice will continue to affect prices until somebody decides it hurts the economy. (never mind that it hurts the people)

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
22. "...prices has harmed the American economic recovery..."
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 12:02 AM
Feb 2012

...for national security reasons, oil should be treated as a controlled substance and those who deal with this substance should be completely regulated by the federal government....

....the lives and security of millions of Americans are being put at needless risk....

RevRN

(9 posts)
27. Somone Has to Pay for the 2012 Election
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 10:22 AM
Feb 2012

You didn't think that all that cash that Wall Street was flooding into the 2012 elections was going to come out of their own pockets? It would have been a surprise if speculators hadn't driven up oil prices.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
28. If the oil bubble
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:57 PM
Feb 2012

is about to burst the only way to save the investment position will be to bomb Iran. That will not only spike prices but will also improve the investment position in warmongering.

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