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He doesn't know or have access to all the keys to the encrypted information.
No one person does.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Why torture won't work on Snowden...
He doesn't know or have access to all the keys to the encrypted information.
No one person does."
...he's immune to torture.
Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023275112
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Torture won't work because he knows "how to keep such information from being compromised" That is, he does not know the key (or probably keys) himself.
MADem
(135,425 posts)THINK he is being tortured.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)But some hyperbolic folks seem to want that to happen, so they can say "See? SEEEEEE?"
ceonupe
(597 posts)Is to extract information?
In many places including the US its used for punishment.
You tell the sadist what he wants to hear. So you torture to hear what you want to hear.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)So although the Russians may not be able to get exclusive use of the information, they can cause it to be published.
Snowden's scheme is personal protection and deterrence only against those who do not want the information publicized.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Double agents may be exposed or collaborative efforts.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)But Russia and the UK have not been getting on very well, so Russia would be pleased with their embarrassment.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Kill this tool and let conspiracy theorists think that Uncle Sam did it.
Snowden is too clever by way more than half. If that's his actual game, he may be sure that the US doesn't kill him, but he can be sure Russia, China, North Korea, the Taliban, Venezuela, and anyone else having a beef with the US now have an easy-peasy way to screw with them, at the cost of just one assassin and one life, two, tops, if they want to pretend that their assassin is a CIA asset and they kill him, too.
It's not "personal protection." It's "come kill me NOW."
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Or anyone else if you think about it.
They just want to be left ALONE!!
Sure - they posterize against the USA because of the well known fact that the USA bombs the shit out of any country they feel like - and get away with it!
So I do not find any fault with NK or Iran, or any other country that wants nuclear weapons to keep the USA from bombing the shit out of them.
CC
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MADem
(135,425 posts)Dead Ed? That they're all going to ignore the low-hanging fruit that is Ed Snowden, should he ever be in a position where he can walk down a street?
I don't mean to be rude or cruel, but that is a tremendously naive attitude.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Oh he definitely deserves being charged with much worse than he already faces....No wonder HE fears he will face the Death Penalty. I noticed that about his "asylum request" from Putin that he made that claim. My reaction was that HE must feel he has committed treason. And if he doesn't even control what he claims he stole....well may be now we know why!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Each unbreakable and spread out amongst a network of people and machines each holding a key that would unlock another.
FYI, Manning has been charged with "aiding the enemy" and he DOES NOT believe he has committed treason.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He is in SERIOUS trouble....
Manning is MILITARY....damn people always overlook that!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)dude is bad news...
Rex
(65,616 posts)And we don't have a large enough supply of Kryptonite to make an impact.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)his own game. Thing is, Russian law allows Putin to kill anybody he wants to, to get any information he wants to. Or he can just kill them for the fun of it. Just say he's a terrorist. The law passed in 2006 specifically says that. The FSB is authorized to kill anybody Putin says is a terrorist. Snowden, Greenwald, their friends, coworkers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/11/AR2006121101434_2.html
"The FSB can take action against any kind of danger that it sees -- not just terrorism but political and economic dangers," said Andrei Soldatov, editor of Agentura.Ru, an Internet publication that monitors the security services. "Now the FSB is more powerful than the KGB was."
The FSB's multiple briefs include intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, economic crime, electronic espionage, border control, social monitoring and, some observers claim, responsibility for the country's computerized election system.
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This summer, Russia's security services, including the FSB, were given the legal power to hunt down and kill terrorism suspects overseas if ordered to do so by the president.
"This is a preventive measure," said Anatoly Kulikov, deputy chairman of the security committee in the lower house of parliament, after the passage in July of legislation giving Putin the right to deploy stealth forces against enemies of the state. "This should cool down, at the very least, people who are nurturing their own ideology of force and other such intentions. They must know what they can expect." END
Renember Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB agent that was killed in London with poison? That was a direct result of this law, although the Russians claim it's only used in so-called "failed states" and that in other countries they go through their intelligence agencies. I suppose MI6 must've refused to assassinate him for the Russians. That was sarcasm.
Did you read the Der Spiegel article about the information Snowden gave them? If not, do SSO. There are 2 very important things in it. First is the level of cooperation between Germany and the U.S. Germany is prohibited from collecting Intel on its own citizens. We do it for them. That is in there. Although Der Spiegel rushes over it. The second is that they didn't publish what they were given because it endangered real people who work at NSA. And they found that to be objectionable and needless. So do I.
There's one more thing I had a problem with. They said it's possible that the U.S. is even spying on Merkel!!!ELEVENS!! Oh, come ON. This is a partnership. As Der Spiegel noted. A mutually beneficial partnership. We get to be there to spy on Russia (and Slavic countries and jihadist terrorist cells) as long as we collect the data Germany wants. But, Germany is not prohibited from detecting cyber attacks and infiltration. They'd know in a second if anyone pierced their shields. They are among the best at cyber security. Perhaps the best. The reason? Because they do not, as a nation, engage in cyber intelligence on a huge scale. Although they do much more than their citizens are aware of. Purely for defense, you see.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Including over half of America.
& Rec !!!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Torture would be very effective against potential future leakers though.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)as they've done in the past with other agents, and get the names from him.
It will just take them longer, having to go after more people.