What did Zimmerman do that showed he was not afraid for his life?

[SaveAmerica]

For me, it was when he got out of his car and went in the direction Trayvon went, when I'm concerned something isn't right and I could be harmed, I stay where I am and assess what's going on. He was strong and committed in his forward movement away from his car and that shows he did not feel threatened. I didn't even know that part of the mysterious unknown time between his non-emergency call and the witnesses 911 call he went back to his car to get his flashlight. He was seriously not afraid at that point and on a direct path to complete some kind of mission (and not to get an address because in the re-enactment video he is standing to the left of a the front of a house with an address on it saying that since there were no addresses he had to go to the next street.

I've never seen this video with all the inconsistencies between his non-interrogation interrogation, the Hannity taping, his reenactment and his call to non-emergency folks. Does anyone know if they used that interrogation in the trial? Even the detectives aren't believing what they hear from Zimmerman (that's following!).

[dkf]

1. He was mindlessly trying to answer the dispatchers questions.

Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:

OK.

These assholes. They always get away.

When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

NOTE:

[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
[Read CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin's explanation of why the use of a racial slur is critical in this case.]
911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

You tell me if he was being given implicit instructions to follow TM or not after running around trying to answer the dispatcher's questions. Why did he get out of his car? Maybe because of the dispatcher.

[TorchTheWitch]

2. the dispatcher clearly told him

they didn't need him to follow.

He got out of his car because Martin ran and Zimmerman went after him. It's clear as day on the tape. He interrupted the dispatcher when Martin started running, and as he was getting out of his car he said "Oh shit! He's running." He starts talking again to the dispatcher, and because the dispatcher can hear his heavy breathing through the phone he asks if he's following Martin to which Zimmerman replied he was, and the dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that."

Zimmerman can't now claim that he was confused somehow and believed the dispatcher wanted him to follow Martin (which he clearly did NOT). His story is that when the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that" he stopped following Martin and started going back to his car. He claimed he got out of the car not to follow Martin when it is CLEAR that he got out of the car to do that and DID do that but that he only got out of the car to look for an address. An address in a community with only 3 streets, and Zimmerman claimed he didn't know the name of the street (which is why he claimed later was the reason he got out of the car when it is CLEAR on that tape that he got out of the car to follow Martin - he was asked if he was following Martin, and he said yes). But for some inexplicable reason he lied later to police and claims he only got out of the car to look for an address. He can't have it both ways. We know from that call wit the dispatcher that he got out of his car to follow Martin, that he did follow Martin, and was told by dispatch they didn't need him to follow.

It's ridiculous to make silly claims of blaming dispatch for his following of Martin because he did that of his own accord when Martin started running, and when the dispatcher realized he was following Martin asks him if he is, he confirms he is, and is told they didn't need to him to do that. Then he later changes his story despite the evidence of what was said on that call and claims he only got out of the car to get an address.

No matter how you slice it, he LIED. And Zimmerman himself though he came up with two different stories as to why he got out of his car neither one of them was because of the dispatcher. If Zimmerman himself never claimed it was the dispatcher, why would this stupid article? What, his two different stories weren't enough? From his own mouth on tape we know why he got out of his car despite his lying about it later, and it wasn't because of the dispatcher.

[uponit7771]

5. Another winger meme, I don't need to follow him to tell 911 where he's going. I can watch from afar

...and tell them where he went.

[dkf]

6. Maybe or maybe not. The dispatcher realized quite late that he was sending Z off on a chase.

[uponit7771]

11. So you're saying there was NO WAY that z could answer the dispatches questions about TM's actions

WITHOUT following him?

This is illogical on it's face given the apartment layout all Z had to do is stay in his car and observe and report like the NWP instructed him to.

[uppityperson]

17. How was asking any of that "sending Z off on a chase"?

[SaveAmerica]

13. Your mind is coming up with the implication that they wanted him

to follow Trayvon when mine hears them say let me know what he's doing from where you are. It is clear that he quickly tells him 'we don't need you to do that' when it is obvious Zimmerman is in pursuit. Before that, Zimmerman has told him his whereabouts (in my car and the guy is walking on the sidewalk) and the dispatcher wants him to know if the guy does anything else to Zimmerman. I always got that they wanted to know if Trayvon was doing anything to Zimmerman, his questions were along that line.

[Lee-Lee]

3. The fear for your life standard

Can only take a few seconds to come into play- a person can go from thier daily routine- even if that routine includes profiling black people- to being in fear for their life in under a second depending on routine.

You can't use earlier actions to mitigate fear from a later event.

His tale was that he was walking back to his car, Trayvon jumped him, got him down, and was hitting him, then tried to grab his gun so he feared for his life. The only way to disprove his claim is prove Zimmerman threw the first blow or otherwise was the first to use force.

[Decoy of Fenris]

4. I'll tell you why; seems to be a reason everyone misses.

When Z shot, he only shot once.

Pannicked, scared, fearful people, when handed a firearm and put in a clutch situation, will not fire said firearm only once, especially if the defender is not certain they have hit or stopped their assailant.

[dkf]

7. That is so unprovable. Pure speculation.

[Decoy of Fenris]

10. Never said it was provable, and aye, it's speculation only. n/t

[Frytruk33]

8. You're right as far as that goes,

he wasn't afraid for his life until Trayvon was on top of him assaulting him. I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened, I'm just making a point regarding your logic. It's a shame the incident wasn't caught by a security camera...

[JoePhilly]

12. "Assaulting him"?

An unafraid armed, Zimmerman gets out of the car.

An unafraid, armed, Zimmerman follows Martin.

Seventeen year old Martin is walking home from the store talking on the phone with a friend, and is afraid of the person following him.

Martin attempts to evade Zimmerman.

There is a confrontation, and a fight.

Now, Martin is dead.

Zimmerman created the situation in which he now says that he became afraid for his life.

And the kid who we know was afraid of Zimmerman, and who tried to get away from Zimmerman, is dead.

[Zoeisright]

18. Oh fucking bullshit.

The only - ONLY - source for that is Zimmerman himself, who has lied constantly about that night and changed his story multiple times. Christ on a fucking crutch, I am sick to death of people who spread this lie.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Is this video just supposed to be showing the convenience store?

[SaveAmerica]

16. Watch it, it's amazing. They show the 7-11 footage looping

while they go back and forth between audio of Zimmerman contradicting himself over and over and over.

[mr_liberal]

14. Thats irrelevant

He says he feared for his life when he was being beaten up, not before.

[Zoeisright]

19. Once again, fucking bullshit.

There is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman was "being beaten up". His "injuries", such as they were, some tiny little cuts, are absolutely no evidence of that. He looked perfectly fine walking around in the police station right after he murdered Trayvon. Quit lying and quit enabling that lying murderer.

[SaveAmerica]

15. Also, I'm convinced that the voice yelling help is Trayvon Martin

After hearing this whole video and all the footage of Zimmerman's 911 tapes I realize just how 'girlish' Zimmerman's voice is. In his reenactment he has a very soft dainty quality to his voice and the yelling is deeper, gravelly. I don't think there's anyway Zimmerman's voice can get to that level. And in this video, he himself says that doesn't sound like me. The guy questioning him said twice, that's you yelling for help (like it's fact) and Zimmerman says that doesn't sound like me.

Sorry if this is old news for everyone, but I can't let it go.