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madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:03 PM Jul 2013

What Juror B37 actually revealed.

She told Anderson Cooper that "I think Trayvon got mad and attacked George"; "George feared for his life.'

This reveals the institutional racism within us. Trayvon had anger. George had fear. This juror was unable to even consider that Trayvon may have had fear. Why is that? Anderson Cooper failed journalism 101 by not asking her this question.

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What Juror B37 actually revealed. (Original Post) madaboutharry Jul 2013 OP
She clearly shared Zimmerman's perspective lolly Jul 2013 #1
Yes. The jury identified with Zimmerman KurtNYC Jul 2013 #42
Exactly. Trayvon Martin had every right to be 'angry'. He was being threatened. matthews Jul 2013 #48
I wouldn't doubt if Zimmerman banged himself up a bit mzmolly Jul 2013 #71
I've always been certain that he did just that. nt matthews Jul 2013 #72
Welcome mzmolly Jul 2013 #73
Me 2 IrishAyes Jul 2013 #96
agreed. hopemountain Jul 2013 #74
My first thought was that he pistol whipped mzmolly Jul 2013 #81
Exactly! brush Jul 2013 #88
those wounds were very superficial, IMHO. secondwind Jul 2013 #94
she said that Martin got "angry" after Zimmerman "confronted" him. Justice Jul 2013 #80
Oh, I don't know... AndyA Jul 2013 #2
Yeah, there is another thread where someone is arguing (I think) LisaLynne Jul 2013 #5
Yeap, I saw that post and it blew me away....comments like that make me think twice about the poster uponit7771 Jul 2013 #10
Me, too. nt LisaLynne Jul 2013 #12
Yep...I had some thoughts about them that were...a ...not nice...not nice at all. BlueJazz Jul 2013 #36
Perfectly said... and Dead ON. PsychGrad Jul 2013 #21
she revealed that she had no business on that jury noiretextatique Jul 2013 #3
What she *really* revealed in other comments was Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #4
Where do people keep getting that? naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #23
She told Anderson Cooper that Trayvon was out in the middle of the night yardwork Jul 2013 #54
Well I agree, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #56
and she referred to protests before the trial which wanted him charged as 'riots' JI7 Jul 2013 #58
Anderson Cooper's thinly-veiled expression of horror made me think he was shocked. Really. live love laugh Jul 2013 #6
He was definitely shocked, although I wish he just said something like, "You know what B37, you Hoyt Jul 2013 #9
She specifically stated the policeman's opinion of Zimmerman strongly influenced her. denverbill Jul 2013 #7
Well cvoogt Jul 2013 #16
Did you catch the part at the beginning when she said Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #8
Anderson Cooper failed journalism 101 Flashmann Jul 2013 #11
He's not a journalist, he's the scion... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #19
He's not a journalist Flashmann Jul 2013 #43
Did you know he couldn't get hired so he paid a crew to go with him to a war zone... bettyellen Jul 2013 #82
Cooper does well in covering on the scene events , not really Q and A JI7 Jul 2013 #60
Yes, I agree jimlup Jul 2013 #13
I believe she was Hispanic rl6214 Jul 2013 #29
I thought it was 20 percent? John2 Jul 2013 #49
You could be right, I didn't look it up. rl6214 Jul 2013 #55
In fact, according to Wiki, John2 Jul 2013 #50
According to Newsweek rl6214 Jul 2013 #57
Sanford has a signficantly larger African-American population than Seminole County whopis01 Jul 2013 #65
She could not be Hispanic azmom Jul 2013 #52
She also thought Zimmy's friend (the vet) was the medical examiner. mzmolly Jul 2013 #14
wtf , and she was the one said to be taking all these notes during the trial JI7 Jul 2013 #67
Probably mzmolly Jul 2013 #68
Funny she thought Rachel felt inadequate because of her lack of education and communication skills. Glimmer of Hope Jul 2013 #69
Hear hear! mzmolly Jul 2013 #70
HUGE k and R. This is so perfectly stated! Thank you! nt Quixote1818 Jul 2013 #15
Anderson also failed to question B37 PADemD Jul 2013 #17
For old white women - PsychGrad Jul 2013 #22
Wow PADemD Jul 2013 #27
Well, you and I know that 7pm is not late... PsychGrad Jul 2013 #34
I retired to a little flyspeck town less than half that size IrishAyes Jul 2013 #97
I feel your pain... PsychGrad Jul 2013 #98
What conservatives practice bears no recognizable connection to Christianity IrishAyes Jul 2013 #100
Can jurors be sympathetic to one side or the other? Rex Jul 2013 #18
not before deliberations TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #53
I didn't think so, yet once the verdict is made you cannot Rex Jul 2013 #75
She was quoting O'Mara some of the time. Punkingal Jul 2013 #20
Trayvon was unarmed? No, says Z's brother. protect our future Jul 2013 #24
Oops. My response was supposed to be a reply to Post #2 protect our future Jul 2013 #25
What about the other five jurors? rl6214 Jul 2013 #26
Because that doesn't fit the new narrative COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #28
it fits the narrative that there was some kind of collusion between the police & legal community HiPointDem Jul 2013 #30
I just saw that your post about this got posted first! protect our future Jul 2013 #32
See my reply to the same allegation you have COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #37
i can speculate all i want, & if the husband knows o'mara, even professionally, that's *plenty* HiPointDem Jul 2013 #39
Here is the trancript of her interview with AC360 naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #61
I listened to the interview, and I think she may have said protect our future Jul 2013 #77
The fact that she knew O'mara brush Jul 2013 #90
That's your narrative brush Jul 2013 #89
Thank you for proving my point. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #91
And what was you point? brush Jul 2013 #92
My point was that some people are too emotionally COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #93
On MSNBC right now: discussing this juror's protect our future Jul 2013 #31
she actually said 'georgie' a few times as well. seriously, who calls a george 'georgie' unless HiPointDem Jul 2013 #33
I wonder if she carefully lied to get chosen for the jury protect our future Jul 2013 #38
Shouldn't this be investigated? anneboleyn Jul 2013 #83
Hope so. protect our future Jul 2013 #84
No, she didn't say Georgie, per the transcript naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #62
well, it's been reported that way so i will listen to the interview & decide for myself. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #63
yes, the transcript may be wrong. nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #64
Crocodile Tears! chuckstevens Jul 2013 #35
And, as much as people would like for it to be so, COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #40
Asked About Racial Profiling erpowers Jul 2013 #46
Good Catch! chuckstevens Jul 2013 #59
So she admits to a predisposition. DhhD Jul 2013 #87
"I THINK" what the hell!!!! B Calm Jul 2013 #41
RW'ers are paranoid & ALWAYS have fear!! I think that's why they love guns... hue Jul 2013 #44
Anderson Cooper... ReRe Jul 2013 #45
The prosecution failed on the same grounds. Renew Deal Jul 2013 #47
Anderson Cooper mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #51
The stalkER with the loaded gun is afraid of the stalkEE who's unarmed. Sparkly Jul 2013 #66
she thinks Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #76
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #78
B37 said, when asked, that Trayvon, " played a huge role in his death". She is clueless and Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #79
She revealed a lot with her constant 'they'. She has zero racial empathy. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #85
AC didn't' fail the prosecuting attorney failed. this should have been asked in the trial Heather MC Jul 2013 #86
I also noticed IrishAyes Jul 2013 #95
The bottom line to me is that the judge is responsible for narrowing the range of the trial. olegramps Jul 2013 #99

lolly

(3,248 posts)
1. She clearly shared Zimmerman's perspective
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

And could not even imagine that there could be another perspective.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
42. Yes. The jury identified with Zimmerman
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jul 2013

Even believed that Zim was the one screaming for help.

They flipped Zimmerman's Dirty Harry (f'ing punks) anger and Trayvon's running away from a creepy staring dude fear 180 degrees.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
48. Exactly. Trayvon Martin had every right to be 'angry'. He was being threatened.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jul 2013

Make no mistake, that is exactly what was happening, by a joker with an agenda who was stalking him with a gun.

I hate it when people call Martin 'angry' simply because he fought with Zimmerman. I would be damn scared and ANGRY too if I was being stalked by some really creepy guy when all I was doing was minding my own damn business. And then to see that he had a gun, what was the kid supposed to think? His only options were fight or flight. And taking off and running for it was not an option. He did the only thing that we left open to him, to try to fight the thug off him and hope that he could get away and make it home.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
74. agreed.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jul 2013

his wounds were too superficial.
and, no concussion - from that big ol' chunk of cement o'mara lugged into court.

brush

(53,840 posts)
88. Exactly!
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jul 2013

There was no evidence of a fight or zimmerman dna on Trayvon's body so how could he have done all the head bashing and punching and smothering that zimmerman claimed.

There may have been a tussle, zimmerman and they fell to the ground and zimmerman scratched the back of his head (remember he just needed a band-aid for treatment as testified to by the woman ME).

zimmerman could easily have conked himself in the face, maybe even the back of his head with the gun.

He knew the stand your ground law because he had studied it. He also knew he had just screwed up big time and had to make it look like he was afraid and had to defend himself in a fight.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
2. Oh, I don't know...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jul 2013

A 17 year old unarmed kid vs. an armed adult...

Adult pursues kid even though he was told not to by the 911 operator, thus taking matters into his own hands.

Kid has a history of issues that many kids have today, most grow up and put those issues behind them.

Adult has a history of domestic abuse, assault and battery on a policeman.

Kid is unarmed (did I say that?) and has only a cell phone, beverage, and Skittles. Adult has a chip on his shoulder, anger issues, and a loaded gun (did I mention that?)

What could possibly go wrong?

Zimmerman is at fault. He should have left well enough alone, and let the police arrive on the scene to deal with Martin. But he didn't, he went after him with a loaded gun. Who's the instigator here? Who started this? The second that Martin realized he was being followed, he had cause to fear for his safety. Zimmerman only came to that point AFTER he went after Martin.

I can't comprehend that anyone could possibly say that Martin was to blame. Martin was the victim here, not Zimmerman. Martin wasn't following Zimmerman around, and he wasn't armed as if he was looking for or expecting a problem. Zimmerman was.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
5. Yeah, there is another thread where someone is arguing (I think)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jul 2013

that because Trayvon may have initiated verbal contact, that some how that was being the aggressor. I just don't see how that can be. As you so perfectly state, Zimmerman was the adult. He was the one in his car who got out to follow Trayvon. At night. With a gun. That is on him. He'd called the police. He could have waited. Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong that needed to be stopped.

So, yeah, I'm with you.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
10. Yeap, I saw that post and it blew me away....comments like that make me think twice about the poster
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
3. she revealed that she had no business on that jury
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jul 2013

because she was already biased against martin and favored zimmerman.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
4. What she *really* revealed in other comments was
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jul 2013

that she almost certainly had her mind made up before the trial started...That's what's troubling...

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
23. Where do people keep getting that?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not a big fan of this juror, but what did she say that implies she had her mind made up?

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
54. She told Anderson Cooper that Trayvon was out in the middle of the night
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jul 2013

That's what she said during jury selection, too. Trayvon was killed at 7 pm. The juror didn't listen to the prosecution's case. She learned nothing.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
58. and she referred to protests before the trial which wanted him charged as 'riots'
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jul 2013

there were NO riots before he was charged. they were all peaceful protests calling for him to be charged.

live love laugh

(13,124 posts)
6. Anderson Cooper's thinly-veiled expression of horror made me think he was shocked. Really.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not giving him a pass--but he did seem to be trying to absorb the incredulous bullshit he was hearing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. He was definitely shocked, although I wish he just said something like, "You know what B37, you
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

just allowed an armed bigot to get away with murdering an innocent kid, and it will likely lead to more tragedies."

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
7. She specifically stated the policeman's opinion of Zimmerman strongly influenced her.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jul 2013

And the judge specifically directed the jury to disregard his statement.

And she claimed to know what was in Zimmerman's heart, despite the fact that he didn't even testify.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
8. Did you catch the part at the beginning when she said
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jul 2013

it was the testimony of the defense's Medical Examiner that it was George Zimmerman yelling on the tape that convinced her - because of his war experience? She conflated the Vietnam Vet's testimony with the ME. Cooper called her back on that, but she doubled down.

The sheer stupidity of that is mind boggling.

On Cooper's behalf though - I think he did the right thing by just letting her ramble incoherently without challenging her. That way he got more raw foot-in-mouth remarks than if she were to feel like it was more confrontational.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
11. Anderson Cooper failed journalism 101
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jul 2013

I've not seen one thing,EVER,that would make me imagine Cooper even ATTENDED journalism 101...

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
19. He's not a journalist, he's the scion...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

...of one of the wealthiest families in American history.
His "job" is to use his position as a propagandist to protect his family's wealth, and the wealth of the rest of the 0.01%
Period.
That he gets it right on occasion is incedental.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
82. Did you know he couldn't get hired so he paid a crew to go with him to a war zone...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jul 2013

(forget where) and just dove right in and started taping. Got someone to hire him from that.
I guess it's better than a what a lot of filthy rich heirs do with themselves all day, but yeah- he catapulted himself into it with some serious $$$.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
13. Yes, I agree
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jul 2013

The juror was incapable of seeing the situation from any other perspective than the defense. It shows why the law in Florida is so badly flawed. I am left asking why the jury makeup wasn't more diverse? There should have been at least 2 black jurors. What was the ethnicity of the "non-white" juror? I can't find it in the news feeds.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
29. I believe she was Hispanic
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

I also believe the black population in Sanford is on like six percent.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
55. You could be right, I didn't look it up.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jul 2013

So that means one of the jurors should have been black but then again the prosecution did nothing to impress me.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
50. In fact, according to Wiki,
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jul 2013

I'm wrong. Sanford Florida is over 30 percent Black and 20 percent Hispanic.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
57. According to Newsweek
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jul 2013

According to the 2011 census, Seminole County is composed of 65.8 percent non-Hispanic whites, 17.7 percent Hispanic, and just 11.7 percent African-American.

whopis01

(3,522 posts)
65. Sanford has a signficantly larger African-American population than Seminole County
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

(Proportionally speaking of course)

The area around Sanford has some historically African-American areas within it or bordering it. Midway, for example, is over 90% African-American. That's about 6 miles east of from the neighborhood where Trayvon Martin was killed. There are other similar neighborhoods throughout that area.

In fact, the African-American population in Seminole county is fairly concentrated in two areas, one being Sanford, the other being Altamonte Springs. The rest of the county tends to have far less.

mzmolly

(51,003 posts)
14. She also thought Zimmy's friend (the vet) was the medical examiner.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013


Yet so many are focused on the supposed lack of education of Rachel Jeantel?

JI7

(89,262 posts)
67. wtf , and she was the one said to be taking all these notes during the trial
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jul 2013

i bet she was taking notes of things not related to the trial itself such as who was seated where. which famous news reporters were sitting where and talking to who and what people were wearing and other stupid shit she could put in the book she planned to write.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
69. Funny she thought Rachel felt inadequate because of her lack of education and communication skills.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jul 2013

Trilingual Rachel is way more sophisticated and brighter than this piece of shit.

mzmolly

(51,003 posts)
70. Hear hear!
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jul 2013

Fully agree.

That privileged woman has no excuse for her ignorance. Her attorney husband didn't marry her for brains, that's for certain.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
17. Anderson also failed to question B37
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jul 2013

when she said, "What was he doing out so late?" Did she even look at the evidence timeline? Seven o'clock is not too late to run to the store.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
22. For old white women -
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jul 2013

it is. I live in a small, rural town in Missouri and this place is closed up by 6pm at the latest. This whole thing is disgusting and saddening and ridiculous... this woman is an idiot, and I'm GLAD that she did an interview before she got a PR person to advise her. Stupidity on display.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
27. Wow
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jul 2013

I live in a rural township in PA, and our local grocery stores are open until midnight. I'd think nothing of a 10 p.m. run to the store for chocolate. The only thing we have to be careful of are the deer.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
34. Well, you and I know that 7pm is not late...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

But I'm not making this up. Every business downtown is closed and locked by about 6 pm - and a few stay open until 10 pm, but that is LATE to most residents. I am a night person, and I literally have to go out of town after 8 pm at the latest to get anything - including gasoline. I go out often at 1am, but have to drive to the "city" (KC is about 30 miles from me) to do or get anything. Of course, we literally have zero stoplights in our town, one four way stop in the middle of downtown, and a population of about 5,000... but, we are the biggest town in the county... Most people here are inside and ready for bed by 7 pm... lol. I will say too that, there are a lot of farmers, so they use the daylight, so that affects it somewhat too - as things open pretty early.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
97. I retired to a little flyspeck town less than half that size
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jul 2013

Due to financial necessity, not for the ambience or friendliness. 99% of these people are xenophobic as geese and not half as smart or nice. (For those of you who might not know about geese, they're vicious and make good guard animals.) After 7 years a lot fewer of them scream in my face anymore, but I think that's mostly because they ran out of breath and words. One guy cornered me and bragged incessantly about his superior intellect though he admitted his girlfriend was the real intellectual; after all, SHE almost made it through 11th grade! I had to keep a straight face because he's an ex-con with a violent drug abuse history and even the police chief calls him "the craziest man I've ever met."

News flash - half of them are like that. Why don't I move? Partly for spite I guess, and partly because I can't afford to. This was as far north as I could make it.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
98. I feel your pain...
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jul 2013

It's so odd. My town has a shit ton of churches and everyone here claims christianity of some sort - honestly, I know of only 3 other Atheists here and I know a LOT of people (in a small town, it's hard not to). And I agree. My town is very rural, so I get the gun nuts x1000 - the old school "it's our right". I just don't agree - I think owning a gun should be a privilege - and you should lose that privilege when you exhibit inability to act like a rational adult. I know it "needed" to be a right 200 years ago or so, but now? I mean - it's so ridiculous. And, I didn't even put signs in my yard for Obama the second time around, because I KNEW I would be vandalized. A friend of mine had someone try to run him off the road, with his two little boys in the backseat of the car, bc of an Obama sticker... the guy that tried to run them off, rolled down his window and was screaming at them about "niggers" and satan and such... he said it was surreal.

This town is filled with good people - CONDITIONALLY good people. They are caring - towards their "own", but that's about it. It's such a freakin' disconnect sometimes that I have considered moving - but like you said, it's affordable and I own my house, and don't want to try to sell it and buy another one. I would really love to get back out into the country - At least then I would have some space to myself. I'm honestly surprised I haven't been attacked or vandalized - but I do own two very large and protective dogs too, lol.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
100. What conservatives practice bears no recognizable connection to Christianity
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

Or any sane religion, for that matter. Please don't blame the song when the choir's tone deaf. But I appreciate your empathy, and it proves my point in the title consequently that you are far more my brother or sister than many in the churches. Your friend is very fortunate to have escaped with his life and that of his children. I'd say 'unharmed' or 'unscathed' except we both know the scars such a trauma can leave, especially on the little ones. Hopefully your friend can explain to his sons that they've just seen what a hateful monster conservatism has produced, and they'll be forewarned as they go through life to avoid such traps. This never should've happened but since it did, try to use it for educational purposes.

Since my mom was a New South southern belle, I got somewhat similar exposure to that sort of person early on in life, when we visited her relatives before the final breaking point. She and I thought we were going on a summer's evening scenic car ride but we wound up in the woods at a Klan rally with no way out. It was the single most terrifying moment of my life, and on the way back to my aunt's house later I learned that my exquisitely graceful parent could swear like a whole boatload of sailors. We didn't dare tell my father the whole story when we got off the plane at home, because he would've gone ballistic. He got an appropriately watered down version, which was more than enough to convince him all ties to that branch of the relatives - I refuse to call them family - must be severed.

I've been through two presidential election cycles here now, both when my 2 chows were still alive. Which is a major reason I still am! One of the first things I invested in was a fence around the complete perimeter, and when I put up my 4'x5' handcrafted sign, I set it toward the front of a side yard so if anyone shot it up - as they openly threatened to do - at least maybe house and occupants would survive. But I also installed a row of small American flags across the top in hopes that the wingers might not be in such a hurry to shoot at that. Don't know if it helped, but no shots were fired that I know about.

And when the wingers took the House in the last midterms, a pickup truck full of armed teabaggers parked in front of my house, honking the horn and raising all kinds of hell. I went outside and waved at them with a grin on my face, called a few by name, and then pulled out an old camera they didn't know was broken. As I pretended to take pictures, they peeled out and never came back. But they're still out in the woods playing soldier, you know that. Some guy wrote a letter to the local weekly in response to one of mine, and it had 'LYING HYENAS OF SOCIALISM!' in large bold caps for a title. I guess that was meant to put me in my place.

Oh, well... guess we could trade war stories all day. But if we ever met for a beer, I don't think we'd lack for things to talk about.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
53. not before deliberations
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jul 2013

A prospective juror that displays any bias whatsoever is canned. Jurors are not even allowed to lean to one side or the other during the trial but must by law keep an open mind until deliberations. Of course, we know that at some point jurors are naturally going to lean to one side or the other the closer the trial comes to a close, but by law they can't go into it with any bias and cannot form a bias for one side or the other until all the evidence has been presented. It's part of their oath.

Clearly, from how she answered Cooper's questions she had to have not paid one wit of attention through the trial and not even to the judge's admonition that Serino's statement about his believing that Zimmerman was being truthful was to be disregarded. No juror could possibly get that much basic information THAT mixed up unless they slept through the entire thing, didn't pay a single bit of attention whatsoever or just aren't mentally competent enough to be a juror. Personally, I think she really may be missing some important marbles upstairs and was never mentally competent to serve as a juror. Either that or she spent the whole time day dreaming and scribbling notes for her trial fiction novel. Seriously, though I really have to question if she's playing with a full deck.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
75. I didn't think so, yet once the verdict is made you cannot
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jul 2013

undo it.

Wow, yeah and now the other jurors are coming out with their initial verdicts. Half said he did nothing wrong, 2 for manslaughter and 1 for second degree murder.

I wonder how much information did they use to make their decision with that wasn't admissible as evidence? In the end they all decided to acquit. Looks like he is in some serious trouble in another legal case. Zimmerman is proven scum and will end up in prison one way or another imo.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
20. She was quoting O'Mara some of the time.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

She also said Rachel was not credible. But she believed "George."

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
24. Trayvon was unarmed? No, says Z's brother.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jul 2013

Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk and a nose-breaking fist. The brother announced that on cable TV shortly after the verdict.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
26. What about the other five jurors?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jul 2013

Everyone keeps going on about what an idiot she is but fails to mention that five other jurors came to the same conclusion.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
28. Because that doesn't fit the new narrative
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

that all the jury were confused, racist bumpkins that were seduced by (pick your choice) by 1) the cops, 2) the Defense attorneys, 3) innate racism or 4) the jury instructions. Don't you see - there's no other possible explanation.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
30. it fits the narrative that there was some kind of collusion between the police & legal community
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:06 PM
Jul 2013

though.

being as how the woman was the wife of an attorney who knew o'mara professionally.

and possibly knew zimmy, as she keeps calling him 'georgie' like an intimate.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
37. See my reply to the same allegation you have
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

already posted. Unless you have some actual proof that the women herself knew O'Mara personally there is absolutely no reason to challenge her presence on a jury. The fact that her husband, an attorney may (or may not) have known O'Mara (as opposed to knowing who O'Mara is) is irrelevant.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
39. i can speculate all i want, & if the husband knows o'mara, even professionally, that's *plenty*
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

of reason to take her off that jury.

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
77. I listened to the interview, and I think she may have said
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jul 2013

"George he" as in "George, he did this and he did that, blah blah blah." Maybe.

brush

(53,840 posts)
90. The fact that she knew O'mara
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jul 2013

should have disqualified her from the jury.

I was called to jury duty once in New York but was excused during voir dire because I knew one of the attorneys from a writing workshop we both attended.

But that was New York not Flori DUH!

brush

(53,840 posts)
89. That's your narrative
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

The other five are just as much at fault for not seeing the huge glaring inconsistencies in zimmerman's several changes in his story — his huge whopper-sized lies.

brush

(53,840 posts)
92. And what was you point?
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jul 2013

I certainly didn't see anything other than your implied support of a killer getting off.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
93. My point was that some people are too emotionally
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

invested in a given narrative to understand that there was also the possibility that they are wrong in their assumptions and that the jury did its job. I don't support any Defendant - I support our system of Justice and accept its results whether I personally agree with them or not.

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
31. On MSNBC right now: discussing this juror's
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:11 PM
Jul 2013

use of the name "George" as if they were friends, which was completely inappropriate. In the AC interview this juror kept referring to Zimmerman as "George" and talking about all the nice things "George" did for his neighbors, which made me wonder if they knew each other.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
33. she actually said 'georgie' a few times as well. seriously, who calls a george 'georgie' unless
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:17 PM
Jul 2013

they'e 1) intimates or 2) making fun of the person?

& we know she wasn't making fun of him.

something stinks.

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
38. I wonder if she carefully lied to get chosen for the jury
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

or was she hand-picked and not asked certain specific questions during voir dire. Hmmm...attorney husband....who would know other attorneys....rumors of book deal being in progress prior to the verdict....hmmm....

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
63. well, it's been reported that way so i will listen to the interview & decide for myself.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013

transcripts are not infallible (often wrong in fact)

B37 showed obvious sympathy towards Zimmerman, which makes since given her decision. She became increasingly comfortable, calling the 29 year old "Georgie," during one exchange, and Martin a "boy of color." Unfortunately, the commentary, may not have helped the semi-public relations tour of which she is embarking. Hours after announcing she signed a book deal, the offer was dropped.

http://hiphopwired.com/2013/07/16/juror-b37-says-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-about-race-calls-teen-a-boy-of-color-video/

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
35. Crocodile Tears!
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jul 2013

It was so sweet of her to get weepy knowing that she just let 28 year old man who murdered a 17 year kid unarmed kid, whose only crime was being black in the wrong neighborhood, walk free. After all Trayvon must have been "angry", right?

How can people be so blind to the truth? I would have loved for Cooper to have had the guts to ask her one simple question, "if Trayvon had been white, do you think Zimmerman who have followed him around?"

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
40. And, as much as people would like for it to be so,
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jul 2013

Z following T is irrelevant to the charges brought against Z. The only issues before the court are those that determine what happened when the physical confrontation between the two men started and during the course of the confrontation. The rest is legally irrelevant.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
46. Asked About Racial Profiling
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jul 2013

Anderson Cooper asked juror B37 if she felt George Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin. She said no. She then went on to say that she felt that if the person had been of any other race Zimmerman would have followed that person.

hue

(4,949 posts)
44. RW'ers are paranoid & ALWAYS have fear!! I think that's why they love guns...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jul 2013

Z had a loong record of calling the police & reporting that someone looked suspicious. This was, IMHO, a projection on his part. He was fishing for a long time for the right moment to "defend himself" with his loaded gun. He instigated the situation, against police instructions, and created the reality that he had fantasized would justify his killing the paranoia and bigotry that rotted/festered in his mind & character for so long.

The jury instructions were badly written and confusing. They exacerbated the inability of the simple minded jurors to analyze and come to an objective decision.

Just perusing Z's past--he needs a psych eval...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
45. Anderson Cooper...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:55 PM
Jul 2013

... is as immature as Juror B37. While interviewing her, he probably had no idea what this was sounding like to the greater audience and went right along with her.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
51. Anderson Cooper
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jul 2013

get on my nerves. Almost every question asked was leading or in Agreement with her. He has a jaded view of people of color with his privilege rich little life.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
79. B37 said, when asked, that Trayvon, " played a huge role in his death". She is clueless and
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jul 2013

I do believe, a bit conflicted. She was going to write a book, but now they're not. No one
expected an interview to be given, and certainly not so quickly yet she gives one and
implies what other jurors positions were.

Something about her is not right, and I don't mean just the fact that she bought Zimmerman's
entire story.

She seems like a loose canon.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
95. I also noticed
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jul 2013

She talked about "the kind of life these people live. What their lives are like." So she exhibited the same ignorant bigotry that GZ shows. Presupposing they're always up to no good and causing trouble. If Trayvon had survived and GZ sued him for assault, B37 would've nailed Trayvon's hide to the wall in a flash. Damn the bigots like her. She's just as bad as GZ.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
99. The bottom line to me is that the judge is responsible for narrowing the range of the trial.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

I have no idea if it is according to the law that all the events leading up to the actual confrontation had to be totally ignored. As for her credibility I am very skeptical since she again states that Martin was out late at night. That is absolutely ridiculous. Her being married to an attorney is also significant and I absolutely don't believe that she had very little knowledge about the incident and even said the demonstrations were riots. I also believe that she revealed a degree of racism in her statements, i.e., "they, and "person of color" "demonstrations were riots".

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