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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:13 PM Jul 2013

I think we have a temporary mandate for addressing gun laws like Stand Your Ground

As infuriating as Z's acquittal was and still is, I'm starting to think that we should forget about Z and use the current momentum to get the Stand Your Ground laws repealed.

If we spend too much time focusing on Z, the Stand Your Ground laws will still be in place and there will be more Trayvon Martins. Let's face it: He got away with it. He wont' be charged with a hate crime. It's over, unless the family goes for the civil suit. If the civil suit trial is held in Sanford, that will be unsuccessful as well unless the jury is racially diverse. I believe in karma, and I think Z will pay for his crimes one way or another (to be clear, I'm not referring to vigilante justice).

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I think we have a temporary mandate for addressing gun laws like Stand Your Ground (Original Post) apples and oranges Jul 2013 OP
Stand Your Ground controlled how this criminal matter proceeded Kolesar Jul 2013 #1
In what states? ceonupe Jul 2013 #2
I think President Obama should make a Trayvon Martin speech apples and oranges Jul 2013 #6
Right, like the temporary mandate Sandy Hook gave us. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #3
What about SYG as a violation of equal protection? Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #4
Between the states that actually have a "stand your ground" statute geckosfeet Jul 2013 #5
 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
2. In what states?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jul 2013

Almost all of the states that have STG have republican controlled state legislatures.

Not saying its not a good goal but where do you start. Maybe a place like NC or Texas or FL?

What I would focus on is getting the Feds to publish options on these laws and help to build public support in fl for revising it if not complete repeal.
But again Florida had a review of the law and left it unchanged.

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
6. I think President Obama should make a Trayvon Martin speech
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jul 2013

It will be controversial as hell. The teabaggers will go crazy, but I think he has to make it absolutely clear that REPUBLICAN stand your ground laws allowed this travesty. And while he's at it, he will also need to speak about how republicans scaled back the Voting Rights Act. No more vague generalities about "congress." No. It's time to be specific and call the ratfuckers out, the way democrats boldly did at the 2012 DNC. He needs to be clear with how sitting out in 2010 aided in Zimmerman going free, and how it's important to vote in 2014 to stop the assault on all the progress made since the 1960s.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
4. What about SYG as a violation of equal protection?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jul 2013

Can it be demonstrated empirically that it is enforced unequally with respect to race? Perhaps with respect to police enforcement and arrests made.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
5. Between the states that actually have a "stand your ground" statute
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jul 2013

there is probably a great deal of variability in how the law is written.

From what I have heard, and I am just going by what I remember when they rolled out their license to kill law, Florida's law is the most ridiculous version in that it allows an armed person to take an offensive posture.

There may be other that do this, but when Florida rolled this out, and it was not too long ago there were a LOT of predictions about this kind of thing happening.

Anyway, start with Florida. Other states do not appear to as problematic.

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