Two women attack McDonalds employee---turned out to be a big mistake.

[trumad]

Apparently they gave the McDonalds employee a 50 dollar bill for payment. He began checking its authenticity. They started calling him names (Pussy), etc... and then one of them slapped his face. He pushed back, one jumped the counter after him, the other went around the counter---he retreated to the back of the store, and then this----

[dembotoz]

1. not a happy meal

[pintobean]

2. made me laugh. nt

[tblue]

44. Stop!

Not supposed to make us laugh!

[safeinOhio]

3. Employ stood his ground

after being assaulted. No gun, no one died.

Now, would you like that super sized?

[Pale Blue Dot]

4. Why post this in GD? nt

[trumad]

7. I don't know---I've been here for 13 years....

Thought after all that time I'd know where to post an interesting subject like this.

Now please proceed to tell me why I should not have posted something like this in GD. Your wisdom would be most appreciated.

[RC]

14. +10

I have a problem with people like that in real life. They think they know what's going on, when the reality indicates otherwise.

[Dr. Strange]

17. Clearly it belongs in the Photography forum.

[okieinpain]

75. lol. n/t.

[LaydeeBug]

26. Why impose your tripe when it offers NOTHING to the thread, other than to impose?

It was posted in GD because it belongs in GD.

Why would you think it's cool to start something?

[BeyondGeography]

5. Jury acquitted him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069469/McDonalds-worker-Rayon-McIntosh-cleared-metal-pole-attack-women.html

But he did have to find another job.

Bad move by the gals, who wound up being arrested themselves.

[KurtNYC]

22. a fractured skull -- wow

Doesn't say if the bill was fake.

One of my neighbors got a minimum wage job only to have 2 women rip off stuff from the store and then the manager takes it out his puny paycheck. They ordered scooped ice cream for themselves and their 5 kids then gave him a dead debit card while eating the ice cream. They had screamed all kinds of names at him, etc. About $30 worth. Very similar but he just cried and looked for another job.

[BeyondGeography]

23. Things change when you smack someone in the face in public

I don't think the guy was going to do anything before that point.

[KurtNYC]

42. Yes, he was just taking the verbal abuse.

Once the other woman jumped the counter and no other employee did anything to step up, he was on his own against 2 people who were physically attacking him. There is a lot of dangerous stuff in a commercial kitchen, the deep fryer for example. It could have been worse for all involved.

[Lunacee_2013]

73. People just love to treat min. wage workers like crap.

At the very first job I ever had (I was 16) I had to put up with drunk screaming customers all the time, thankfully it was usually over the phone.

[KurtNYC]

76. Hungry people can be very irritable and/or violent

When fast food isn't fast enough things can get ugly.

[marshall]

6. He won't be dissed again

Not anytime soon.

[hatrack]

8. Would you like an ass-kicking with that?

Have a nice day!

[trumad]

13. Better that than a gun

[hatrack]

15. Very true!

.

[MNBrewer]

9. Idiot blonde woman shouting "STOP! STOP!!"

Why should he stop? Because the two people who attacked him are women?

[Inkfreak]

10. Yea, I didn't get that either.

Reminds me of that one person in a movie who won't stop screaming when something bad happens.

[savalez]

16. Even his co-worker was telling him to stop.

It appeared that the attackers were already neutralized.

Why should he stop? Because the two people who attacked him are women?

Are you suggesting that he continue hitting them until they die?

[EOTE]

21. At least until they no longer pose a threat.

And I have no idea as to whether they were or not at that time, so I'll side with the guy who retreated when he was being attacked and didn't retaliate until he was pretty much forced to.

[savalez]

24. Did you mean to respond to me?

Because that has little to do with what I wrote.

[EOTE]

25. Yes. You asked if he should have continued to hit them until they died.

I said he should have continued to hit them until they no longer posed a threat. And considering I couldn't see them at the time, I assume he was right to continue hitting them. They were the ones who started the conflict, they were the ones who made it physical, they were the one who chased after the employee. He was the one who remained calm. He was the one who retreated. He was the one who eventually had to defend himself. Those stupid girls got everything they apparently wanted.

[savalez]

30. The co-worker had the best vantage point

and he is clearly heard telling the guy to stop; and he did stop. Good.

they were the ones who made it physical, they were the one who chased after the employee. He was the one who remained calm. He was the one who retreated. He was the one who eventually had to defend himself.

Um, okay. So? Are you answering for the poster that I asked if he should have kept hitting them until the died? Is that your opinion? Hit them until they die?

[EOTE]

32. I was responding to your question, this really isn't all that difficult.

And it's really easy for the coworker to say that, he wasn't the one being assaulted. And I've answered your question already, he should have continued until he felt they were no longer a threat. And after their animalistic behavior, I'm far more inclined to believe him rather than them as to when that point was. And apparently juries agree with me as they acquitted the employee and convicted those two dumbass girls.

[savalez]

36. You think you are having a debate

with me about whether or not the guy had the right to defend himself. You're not. Understand that.

[EOTE]

37. You asked a question, I thought I'd give a go at an answer.

I think when you initiate a fight and then pursue the victim AFTER you've begun your attack, you lose out on pretty much any moral or legal authority when you receive a just ass-whooping in return.

[savalez]

40. Re-read #36

Fixed to read 36.

[EOTE]

41. I not only re-read it, but I was actually there when I wrote it.

And I still agree with my words 100%. Shall I read them once more?

[savalez]

45. Typo

I not only re-read it, but I was actually there when I wrote it.

Ok, that was funny.

I meant #36.

[EOTE]

43. Re-read that one as well.

And you sure have a funny way of NOT getting into a debate.

[savalez]

46. In order

to debate we'd have to be discussing the same issue.

[crim son]

61. You definitely won this one.

If you're talking two different issues, it clearly isn't your problem.

[savalez]

72. huh?

You definitely won this one. If you're talking two different issues, it clearly isn't your problem.

What does that even mean?

[anomiep]

62. Actually

I think based on the video the co-worker was being at the very least reasonable and if the guy had continued to swing more, the case gets better and better that he should have stopped the more he swings.

(at what specific point he switches over from being defender to aggressor, only the two guys behind the counter had the information available to determine what it is, and once people start swinging they're in a swinging mode and it's harder for them to stop than it is for someone who is not swinging to say 'hey, time to stop')

[EOTE]

63. I saw them continue to approach him several times after he stopped the beating.

And that's when he continued again. Perhaps they weren't much of a threat at that point, but I can understand why he continued, it was well past time that he stopped thinking about THEIR safety and focused on his own. Once you initiate a physical confrontation and pursue a victim, your legal and moral ground becomes extremely shaky.

[anomiep]

64. Yep

And that's certainly fine - if they stop, you stop, and if they start again, you start again.

My point is that in that circumstance there's not necessarily a bright line. I don't fault the two guys who could really see what was going on for having a differing opinion there, *both* of them could have been taking reasonable actions at that exact instant. (one more swing may not have been enough to throw it over to him being the aggressor, while it still being reasonable to not take that one more swing).

[MNBrewer]

69. I didn't realize that was the only alternative, sorry.

[savalez]

74. You wrote:

Idiot blonde woman shouting "STOP! STOP!!". Idiot Blonde, Why should he stop? Because the two people who attacked him are women?

You think she intervened to protect her own gender? How do you know she would not have yelled "stop" if they were male? You don't.

Why do you disparage her intelligence? Seems to me yelling stop would be a very natural response in that situation.

I didn't realize that was the only alternative, sorry.

The only alternative to being bludgeoned to the point of a fractured skull and broken bones is to be bludgeoned to death.

[EOTE]

20. Yeah, seriously.

She didn't say shit when those two idiots were attacking him or jumping over the counter. But as soon as he starts to defend himself... "STOP!!!! THIS HAS GONE ON JUST LONG ENOUGH! CALL THE COPS!"

What a fucking idiot she is.

[savalez]

27. There is a big difference between

getting involved during a verbal argument and getting involved when it turns violent. It is not unheard of for bystanders to stand ready to intervene should arguments escalate to that level. It's idiotic to think otherwise.

[EOTE]

29. She didn't say a thing when the stupid girls were attacking the employee.

She also didn't say a thing when those same dumbasses jumped the counter to further assault the employee. She DID freak the fuck out when the employee started to defend himself. It's almost as if she believes that only one gender has that right. One's sexism can become rather apparent in situations like this.

[savalez]

33. The whole thing happened within seconds!

It takes humans time to realize what's going on and form an opinion and react. It's a shocking situation. I don't know where you're from but if violence like this regularly occurs at your local McDonalds, to the point where you know exactly how you would react, then you should move. Again, most people shy away from intervening during verbal altercations and most will jump in when it turns violent.

[EOTE]

35. I've never seen anything like this in my life in person.

But I'd probably behave in much the same way as this employee did if assaulted like that.

And again, it became violent well before that lady started screaming. She only seemed to give a damn when the violence was directed toward the attackers.

[savalez]

38. I've alread responded

to your assertion that the customer is an "idiot" for screaming when it turned violent. See post #36 regarding to the employee.

[Generic Other]

31. I would have screamed too

Even if he is justified using force, he did not need the added problem of killing them if he could stop the attack with anything less. This is probably why his co-worker tried to get him to stop?

I don't know what happens when a person snaps like that. Blind rage. Uncontrollable. Over-the-top. But technically self-defense. I don't normally believe men should strike women, so it is hard to see the rage expressed there. No one -- man or woman -- should try to provoke such a reaction from another person. It is really provoking our reptilian brainstem, and the response is not always controllable.

In some ways, what you see there reminds me of how domestic violence escalates so quickly from verbal abuse to deadly force.

[EOTE]

34. I'm far more inclined to trust the attacked employer as to when he felt he was no longer in danger.

He did exactly as he was supposed to. He even retreated when he could off gone off on those girls. But he was backed into a corner and did what he needed to do. I don't believe that any person regardless of gender should strike another person out of anger. But those two dumb girls thought differently, and maybe if they have more than a couple of brain cells to rub together, they'll learn a lesson from it.

[Generic Other]

65. I suspect he wasn't charged because

a court agreed with you. It just seemed like excessive force to me, but I could understand how he would be seen as justified in acting as aggressively as he thought he needed to do.

Do you think McD's settled with him over the job suit?

[EOTE]

66. Maybe it was truly excessive force (in that it was more than needed to neutralize the threat).

But in a case like that, I'm going to be DAMNED sure the threat is neutralized before I stop attacking. Especially when the one who provoked the attack clearly cared so little about my own safety. If he had started attacking once she slapped him, I'd say he had very little standing. But once they jumped the counter and started chasing him, all bets are off. That's psycho behavior.

On edit: I'm not sure how the suit against McDonalds turned out, but I hope he won. I certainly don't think he should have been fired for that.

[progressoid]

48. Yeah, she should have just shut up and enjoyed the whippin'

Why call the cops? What good could that possibly do?

Society functions best when we let our basal instincts rule. Long live Jack Merridew.

[EOTE]

49. How about NOT selectively showing outrage?

And she's welcome to call the cops, she should have done that. She should NOT try to get the man who was just assaulted and just retreated to avoid the assault to stop defending himself.

[progressoid]

53. And the co-worker who also tried to stop him?

Is he a "fucking idiot" too?

And I'm wondering how you know so much about the blonde's actions and motivations when she doesn't even show up until the end of the recording?

Make one wonder about "selective outrage".

[EOTE]

54. No, but he also wasn't the one who was attacked.

So I'll take the word of the assault victim over him.

And the blonde showed up screeching well before the end of the recording. In fact, it was as soon as the victim started to defend himself. I guess only certain folks are allowed to defend themselves. The rest just have to take it.

[progressoid]

57. So he ISN'T a fucking idiot?

But the "screeching" blonde is an idiot for doing the same thing?

[EOTE]

60. He's certainly less of one.

And it also appears that he tried to stop the ladies from chasing the employee who was assaulted.

[progressoid]

67. Well, I'm impressed by your ability to determing levels of fucking idiocy

using this high quality video.

Kudos.

[EOTE]

68. OK. So the screeching blond is without a doubt a fucking idiot.

But his coworker's fucking idiot status is a bit more hard to determine.

[olddots]

56. because maybe she wants to live in a civilized world ?

[MNBrewer]

70. She lives in the wrong country, then

[penultimate]

58. I don't fault the employee for the initial whacks, but after they were on the ground

he should have backed away.

[cloudbase]

11. Should have made the asshole

go bobbing for french fries.

[Quantess]

51. ..!

[BklnDem75]

12. This is old. Happened in October 2011

They dropped the charges.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/03/update-charges-dropped-against-mcdonalds-cashier-who-hit-women-with-metal-rod/


The ladies pleaded guilty in a no-jail deal

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/women-lashed-greenwich-village-mcdonald-worker-plead-guilty-no-jail-deal-article-1.1157596

[L0oniX]

18. It's a mistake to go there in the first place. n/t

[snooper2]

19. At 42 seconds into the video you can see him asking

You want fries with that?

[datasuspect]

28. act like a feral beast

you get treated like a feral beast.

[Dreamer Tatum]

39. Some vigilante justice is better than other vigilante justice, I see. nt

[trumad]

47. Me thinks you do not know what Vigilante means.

[EOTE]

50. Just who is the vigilante in this scenario? nt

[LittleBlue]

52. Bad idea. Those women were crazy to fight that guy

Glad no one died at least.

[DainBramaged]

55. From the UK link

McIntosh, who served about a decade on a manslaughter charge, was getting his life back on track when the two women threatened him in McDonald's.
His mother, Maureen Lucas, told the New York Daily News: 'If he didn’t have that record, they would never have arrested him


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069469/McDonalds-worker-Rayon-McIntosh-cleared-metal-pole-attack-women.html#ixzz2ZEUmXUzi


The two assholes got him in trouble for being stupid.

[Apophis]

59. Um, this happened in 2011.

I don't understand how it's relevant now.

[JI7]

71. he should have stopped once they were already down