What is your opinion of the jurors in the Zimmerman case?

[Nye Bevan]

Which of these comes closest to your feelings?

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	Racist and stupid.
	23 (56%)
	Racist, but not stupid.
	0 (0%)
	Stupid, but not racist.
	0 (0%)
	Probably basically good people who did the best job they could given their instructions.
	18 (44%)
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[Gman]

1. I think they had a reasonable doubt

[leftstreet]

2. Without the 'boy of color's' testimony, what could they do?

At least one sounds like a pos

[Nye Bevan]

4. Again, I'm not sure that "boy of color" is so offensive.

As I said in the other thread, Trayvon was indeed a boy. And "of color" is just fine AFAIK.

If a juror referred to an adult black man as a "boy", that would obviously be horribly racist. But I think in this case she was probably trying to avoid being offensive.

[leftstreet]

5. She knows EXACTLY what is/isn't offensive

The stupid pos revealed just what kinds of words she normally uses by being so very careful !! not to be offensive

[Fla_Democrat]

7. wait, what?

She was offensive, because she wasn't offensive, that is how you can tell, normally she is offensive?

[leftstreet]

11. She KNOWS what isn't offensive. Chose not to use it n/t

[Fla_Democrat]

21. Thanks for the clarification. n.t.

[notadmblnd]

54. I think you're right. She was probably trying to avoid being offensive

And she sounded just like someone who is not used to having to avoid being offensive.

[Bjorn Against]

3. At least one of them is racist and stupid

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023267214

[HolyMoley]

6. I have to give them a bit of respect for even serving on that jury

Even for a mediocre case, jury duty can be a PITA as it is, trying on ones patience, time and home life.

On a high profile, controversial case like this; saner people would have avoided it like the plague (I know I would have).

And given the publicity and gossip this case had generated, bailing out of it would have been a simple matter. But, these 6 women didn't, and I admire and respect them for that.

And, I respect their decision as well.

These 6 aren't "racists", "stupid", "ignorant" or any other disparaging term people hurl at them

They served their civic duty, and performed their responsibility according to the law.

It's disgusting that they would be vilified or spat upon by anyone.

[NaturalHigh]

12. I hope they stay safe.

The one on CNN right now (B37) getting a book agent right now probably isn't a good idea, in my opinion. Anonymity would be the safest option.

[HolyMoley]

23. Why would anyone retaliate?

Sadly, because of "stupid", "racist", "ignorant" jackasses roaming around, they probably would have been better off serving on an organized crime or gang related trail.

[NaturalHigh]

29. I can't believe the absolute hatred for these people.

If I had been on that jury, I would have tried to stay anonymous and might have taken my vacation (out of state) immediately after the trial.

[HolyMoley]

37. The 6 that served didn't ask to be there

The other comments in this thread are telling

I suspect many, or most, would have perjured themselves during Voir Dire for an opportunity to hang Zimmerman; regardless of the evidence, testimony or judges instructions.

mThat makes then as contemptible as the 'system' they describe and loath.

[NaturalHigh]

40. I don't doubt that you're right.

Is there any wonder that most people don't want to serve on juries (particularly if there is a chance that they might be sequestered)? Take a chunk out of your life for the case, know that you're going to be hated no matter which way you choose, and then have to worry about your safety (and your family's) when it's over.

[HolyMoley]

45. Anyone, ANYONE

whom threatens, stalks, intimidates or harms any one of these jurors (or their families), is deserving of having the full weight of the judicial system brought down on them with no quarter.

Be it at a state or federal level.

To accept anything less, would be an abomination of the jury system.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. Well...just look at them:

[Apophis]

15. That made me guffaw.

[npk]

20. Which one is Paula Deen? n/t

[Fla_Democrat]

14. Oh?

Care to expand on that statement?

[JEB]

31. The jurors appear to be incapable of putting themselves into the shoes of Treyvon's parents.

[Fla_Democrat]

33. So.... are you advocating, or just wishing

someone " Put a bullet through their kids"? What is your suggestion to help build their empathy?

[JEB]

36. Until people can put themselves in the shoes of Treyvon's parents

they can have no understanding. Damage on top of damage.

[Fla_Democrat]

42. And people here?

Posters who have stated that the law was followed, regardless of their opinion of the outcome... do you recommend they suffer as well? Is there a list of people you feel should have someone "Put a bullet through their kids"?

How many children should die, so they gain your level of understanding?

What if the people who have committed the sin of not understanding, have no children? Is there a comparable loved one that could act as a surrogate for your lessons? A brother, a mother, a first cousin once removed?

What if a person has lost a child, and they still don't "get it"? Should their other offspring be executed, and executed till they reach your level of compassion?

Just how far should the killing go, till people get the notion that killing... is wrong?

[JEB]

43. Naw, every thing is hunky dory.

[Fla_Democrat]

44. There will be a few people here glad to hear it.

Hey guys and gals, bring your kids down from the attic, call em up from the root cellar. They don't have to die, so you can 'get it'.


And they say grace is a thing of the past.


5. mercy; clemency; pardon: He was saved by an act of grace from the governor. Synonyms: lenity, leniency, reprieve. Antonyms: harshness.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grace?s=t&path=/


FWIW, welcome to DU, and I hope you stick around.

Your directness is refreshing.

[pipi_k]

49. Being a juror

Isn't supposed to be about empathy.

Lets forget about this case for a minute Lets imagine you are out somewhere and someone shoves you and you shove them back, not intending to cause harm, but the person falls and hits his head on something hard and dies

Would you really want your case to be decided by a jury based on empathy for the victim?

Why even bother having a trial? Just let six or twelve people hear what you did and feel sorry for the victim. Automatic conviction on whatever charge they think is best based on how much they despise you.

That would work, right?


Probably not.

[NaturalHigh]

18. That is one SICK comment.

One of the worst that I've read yet.

[JEB]

38. The act of killing a child is sick.

The jury acquitting the killer of any responsibility is sick. The jurors' inability to offer any justice to the parents is sick. I would say a million sick things to jar a thought into their brains.

[Nye Bevan]

19. That's pretty offensive.

After the OJ trial, did you say "slash their spouses' throats and see how they feel?"

[JEB]

22. What is offensive is a child has been shot dead and noone is held accountable.

[Yo_Mama]

30. That's pretty sick

Just when I thought I couldn't feel worse about things, you proved that I could.

Surely you aren't really this bad?

No child deserves to be killed because of what their parent has done.

[JEB]

35. What did Treyvon's parents do?

Did the jurors even think about the parents of the child shot to death?

[Yo_Mama]

39. Shooting someone else's kids would somehow make that right?

That's some medieval concept of justice you've got going there, when if one family member was convicted of a serious offense, the rest of them could get whacked or jailed.

Look, if Trayvon's death is bad (yes, it is), then the death of another child is just as bad.

[JEB]

41. I am relieved to hear that you think Treyvon's death is bad.

Why do you think the killer was acquitted? I think the jurors failed to care about the child or the parents. Any ideas as to how to get people to feel for another person? I guess some people get killed and no justice and we admit its bad and then forget about it.

[Yo_Mama]

69. The prosecution put on a bad case.

They had to do everything just right, admittedly, but they could have done a much better job.

They also should have focused their theory on the manslaughter conviction, and I believe they could have gotten it.

I think if they had structured their case right they could have got culpable negligent manslaughter instructions in the jury charge, and that would have given the jury what they needed to convict.

Because - and I didn't even watch the whole trial, or even that much of it - Martin's account just doesn't hold up at points. I don't believe him. I don't think the jurors believed him entirely. The cops did not believe him entirely.

The one witness who said she heard an interchange should have been enough to close it for the prosecution if they had handled it differently.

[BronxBoy]

47. I get what you are trying to say....

If the comments of this one juror is any indication, these folks seemed to have an inability to begin to even look at this from inside the Black experience. I mean Trayvon and his feelings and his humanity seemed to be a passing thought with them if even a thought at all. "Those people", "Late at night", "George is a good guy in his heart" all speaks to a worldview that has very little in common with the Black experience. So it's ok to minimize the humanity of Trayvon

[quinnox]

10. these 6 women sure didn't seem like the smartest folks around

racist and stupid is my choice, already one has come out that seems to fit into this mold.

[Apophis]

13. Racist and stupid.

Verified by what one of the jurors said on AC tonight.

[Evergreen Emerald]

17. Wow...she did not do herself any good, did she?

I had to turn the TV off. It infuriated me. She should have kept her mouth shut, so that we could have assumed the best.

[TeeYiYi]

16. I have to go with racist and stupid...

How else did three of them, who originally wanted to convict, end up getting peer pressured into a not guilty verdict...just in time for the weekend?

TYY

[bettyellen]

24. from this one- considering SYG when deciding- thinking it happened very late at night as if TM

should not have been there. Admitting they never UNDERSTOOD manslaughter instructions but voted anyway?
I think she was in the bag for "Georgie:- that she could better "relate" to him, and let him off because he is more "her kind".

[KG]

25. apparently, to get an 'unbiased jury' , they had to chose the dumbest fuckers in the county.

[Arkansas Granny]

26. I heard one report that mentioned that when the jury came back into the courtroom,

none of them looked at GZ. When they delivered their verdict, none of them looked at him. When they were polled about the verdict, they didn't look at him. Then, they filed out of the courtroom without looking at him. This makes me think that they were not pleased with the verdict, but had no choice in light of they instructions they were given.

[BronxBoy]

48. That's what I thought....

but if her comments are true, they certainly don't support that.

[Arkansas Granny]

57. I didn't see the interview. Was she speaking only for herself,

or did you get the impression that the other jurors shared her opinions?

[Yo_Mama]

27. Except for the one who is going to write the book

I'm not accusing her of this, but I think jurors should be banned from writing books and making any significant money off of the book after the trial, because I think it introduces a monetary incentive that can skew jury selection. The jury selection process is of paramount importance to the "justice" part of the system.

I realize there are other reasons why someone might skew their answers in hope of getting on a particular jury, but this is one that can be taken care of.

She has a free speech right to write the book and publish the book, but I would like to see most of the proceeds go to crime victim's fund or something of the sort.

[RedCappedBandit]

28. Probably racist and stupid.

Or at least racist and average, which is pretty much... yeah.


If *not* outright racist and stupid, though, at least subconsciously prejudiced. Plenty of "basically good people" aren't "basically good" when you get right down to it.

[JI7]

32. Colored Boy and Riots

[JI7]

34. at least that one is a RAcist Piece of Shit

[JVS]

46. I don't have enough information to form an opinion at this point.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. Based on B37

The one interviewed tonight - willfully ignorant opportunist. The other five would need to come forward. I can't judge them all by the one shilling for a book deal.

[NaturalHigh]

53. Why do the other five need to come forward?

They don't owe anybody anything. Jurors may explain their verdicts if they want, but they are not obligated to do so.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. Because OP

Asked a question about the jurors. "S". I don't know the mindset of the others. I only know the one.

And I don't owe YOU anything other than that. As we say in New Jersey - go scratch if you don't like it.

[NaturalHigh]

58. You stated that the other five jurors need to come forward.

In other words, they need to publicly expose themselves (and their families) to further scorn and possible physical harm. Why do they need to do that?

Of course, I don't owe you anything. I don't even know you.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. No

I need them to come forward so I can make that judgment.


It's free speech. My words hurt no one. And I can type whatever I want here as long as I'm within TOS. If you felt my words were threatening to the other five women:

1. Alert
2. Then call law enforcement

[NaturalHigh]

62. i don't feel your words are threatening.

I was simply inquiring about your comment. If you make a post, people will often reply.

[JustAnotherGen]

70. If you say so

[NoOneMan]

51. So stupid they don't know they are racist

I spent time in the south. The smart ones get a hoot out of pretending they aren't racist. The dumb ones don't know the difference.

[Arkansas Granny]

61. I have lived in the south for over 40 years. Believe it or not

we're not all racists. I would also like to point out that racism is not unique to the Southern states.

[NoOneMan]

65. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that

I was talking smart and dumb of the racists. I know there are plenty of thinking folk.

I was referring to south of immediate mason-dixon. I've never been out to Arkansas, though I lived with a native of Arkansas for many years (and they weren't racist at all).

[Scootaloo]

52. Save for the one with a possible book deal, I try to have no opinion on the jurors themselves

I don't know if they're stupid. I don't know if they're racist. And i don't know if they did the best job they could have. All I know is that for whatever reason, Trayvon Martin was denied his justice by the decision they made.

That one, though needs a kick to the ass.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. +1

[DevonRex]

60. Racist and stupid dominated the jury room in the end. Kudos to the 3 who voted to convict

at first. Bit Jesus fucking Christ, don't give in. Cause a mistrial if you have to. So, three were racist, all 6 were stupid.

[Vattel]

63. awesome people who did the right thing!

[flamingdem]

64. Probably stupid, racist Republicans nt

[killbotfactory]

66. They thought Zimmerman's story was credible

"Yeah, he ran away from my, so I got out to check which street he was on, then he jumped out of the bushes and attacked me! Banging my head like 25 times on the pavement leaving me with extremely minor injuries! Oh yeah, despite being a former bouncer who trained in mixed martial arts for a year, I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag and was scared for my life! That's why I got out of the car for no good reason, and walked toward the direction a suspicious black kid armed with the sidewalk he was walking on was fleeing toward."

SOUNDS LEGIT

stupid racist pieces of shit

[Benton D Struckcheon]

67. The correct technical term is "dumber'n a bag o'hammers" n/t

[fadedrose]

68. Generally confused and frustrated

by Judge and Prosecors instructions and format of evidence.

Reminds me of the Florida voting ballots. All that was missing during the sequester was chads....

[davidpdx]

71. I'm going to pass

I think it's hard to say for sure based on the fact that only one juror has spoken out. I'm not impressed with what little I heard her say though. The question of whether there was bias and what the bias was may never be answered.

[RedCappedBandit]

72. After watching the B-37 interview, I have no doubt.

She definitely isn't the brightest, and there's clearly at least some subconscious prejudice there.