Bob Cesca on Greenwald's "Worst Nightmare" Threat

[flamingdem]

Greenwald’s Threat: If Snowden Is Assassinated, the U.S. Will Face Its ‘Worst Nightmare’

Even though Greenwald insists that Snowden shouldn’t be debated and discussed, he once again made Snowden The Story by issuing the following threat during an interview with La Nacion, an Argentinean newspaper:

“Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,” [...]
“The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.”
That’d be Greenwald jumping the shark. Maybe a fleet of sharks. So what does this tell us?

1) Greenwald still believes the U.S. government might try to assassinate Snowden. The question now, I suppose, is whether the government will use chemtrails, black helicopters or, perhaps, the government will manipulate some tornados to attack Snowden. (Watch for small planes or helicopters flying around a tornado, moving it in the direction of Moscow.) Later, in a post on The Guardian meant to clarify his remarks, Greenwald explained: “[T]he notion that a government that has spent the last decade invading, bombing, torturing, rendering, kidnapping, imprisoning without charges, droning, partnering with the worst dictators and murderers, and targeting its own citizens for assassination would be above such conduct is charmingly quaint.”

By the way, that one sentence? Greenwald’s Manifesto. If you need a snapshot of what he writes about every day and you don’t want to engage in the usual Bataan Death March through his bottomless prose, that sentence is all you need to know. Greenwald doesn’t like those things, and he’s going to tell you exactly why. Over and over. And over. With twelve roman-numeric updates. And the conclusion will always be the same: the United States and its government is pure evil and it’s coming for you.

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/greenwalds-big-threat-if-snowden-is-assassinated-the-u-s-government-will-pay-the-price/#.UeNtjZ4hOOA.twitter

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. I agree with Cesca. GG can find more ways to say the same thing, than anyone I know.

I'm waiting for his defenders to tell us again that "It's not about Snowden". If not, then is it about Greenwald?

[flamingdem]

27. He was feeling pushed out so

he doubled down with "On your knees America!"

Catchy. Kinda has a ring to it.

[Summer Hathaway]

2. Great read!

[flamingdem]

3. Wasn't it! Cesca's been grinding away on this one

and we can enjoy the results.

[Summer Hathaway]

5. Really admire his writing style

A great wordsmith with an honest respect for the facts - and a sense of humor.

That's a winning combination, in my book.

[Cleita]

4. I translated the interview. Most of what is reported in English and here on DU is

hyperbole and out of context. I think the USA is worried about what is out there. I can't imagine otherwise. That they would go after a skinny geek like Snowden the way they have wouldn't make sense unless they are worried to the extent of crapping in their pants on an hourly basis about what he has. As an American who grew up in South America, I know exactly what Greenwald is talking about when he refers to how South Americans feel about American dictates to them.

I have the whole article translated, by me, in English, because I didn't trust any other source to translate it right. I have offered to send any DUer the translation if they PM me on another thread. So far *crickets*. No one really wants to know about the real interview, but what they want to believe it was about. The offer still stands.

[Summer Hathaway]

6. On the topic of hyperbole ...

Your entire post smacks of it.

That could explain why no one is interested in your personal 'translation'.

[flamingdem]

7. Can you explain where you find a problem with the translation?

I speak/read Spanish. The context doesn't seem to reduce the extreme comments that contain the threat of what can happen to the USA that Greenwald has in his possession, as well as others.

-¿Más allá de las revelaciones sobre el funcionamiento del sistema de espionaje en general, ¿qué información extra tiene Snowden?

-Snowden cuenta con suficiente información como para causar más daño al gobierno estadounidense él solo en un minuto del que cualquier otra persona haya tenido jamás en la historia de Estados Unidos. Pero ése no es su objetivo. Su objetivo es dejar al descubierto programas informáticos que personas en todo el mundo utilizan sin saber a qué están exponiéndose y sin haber aceptado conscientemente ceder sus derechos a la privacidad. Tiene una enorme cantidad de documentos que serían muy dañinos para el gobierno de Estados Unidos si fueran hechos públicos.

-¿Teme que alguien trate de matarlo?

-Es una posibilidad, aunque no creo que traiga muchos beneficios para nadie a estas alturas. Ya distribuyó miles de documentos y se aseguró de que varias personas alrededor del mundo tengan su archivo completo. Si algo le llegara a pasar, esos documentos serían hechos públicos. Ésa es su póliza de seguro. El gobierno estadounidense debe estar de rodillas todos los días rogando que nada le ocurra a Snowden, porque si algo le llega a suceder, toda la información será revelada y ésa sería su peor pesadilla.

This was how it appeared in one translation:
“Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,” said Greenwald.

“The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.”

[hopemountain]

22. the following paragraph is bold, on the part of greenwald

"Ya distribuyó miles de documentos y se aseguró de que varias personas alrededor del mundo tengan su archivo completo. Si algo le llegara a pasar, esos documentos serían hechos públicos. Ésa es su póliza de seguro. El gobierno estadounidense debe estar de rodillas todos los días rogando que nada le ocurra a Snowden, porque si algo le llega a suceder, toda la información será revelada y ésa sería su peor pesadilla."

(Snowden) has already distributed thousands of documents and he is assured/insured by various individuals around the world who have complete sets of his archives. should something happen to him, those documents will be made public. this is his (snowden's) insurance policy. the american government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something does happen, all of the information shall be revealed and that will be the (us government's) worst worry.


were i greenwald, i think i would stfu about now...because he is wrapping himself up pretty tightly - and all of his self righteous journalist standing may just come back and snap at him. these are south americans he's blabbing to.

[Whisp]

66. Glenn 'the Beck' Greenwald.

Same repugnant style and the same tactics that as long as you tell enough lies loud enough, people will part with their money and plonk it in your donation account.

Good lord. the stupidity is almost awesome to behold.

[Cleita]

77. Yep that's what the article said and although it doesn't say who got the information, I would

assume it's other newspapers or periodicals who got them. Incidentally the word archives in this context should be seen as files.

Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?

It’s a possibility, however it wouldn’t help anyone at this time. Thousands of documents have been distributed to various persons around the world to complete their files as insurance. If something were to happen to him, the documents would be made public. This is his insurance policy. The United States government should be on their knees praying to God that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens to him all that information will be revealed and that will be their worst nightmare.

My translation of that paragraph.

Again, context! he was answering a direct question, not making threats. He explained what happened to the documents and that the United States would have a lot to answer to if they became public.

[Cleita]

75. It's the cherry picking of his phrases out of context, especially the last one on your post. You and

the media pundits try to make it look like a threat. In the context of the question answered, it was not a threat but an observation of what could happen if the information were released. It's the nuance that counts. But you speak Spanish and you know that don't you? So why are you going along with all the propagandists? You obviously have roots in Latin America and unless you are part of the top class of elitists, you have no reason to defend this country's actions there. I too am part of the elitist class, and my father was an Arkansan, but I observed what was going on when I lived there.

My summer job in Chile was in the industrial relations department of the American company my dad worked for. I really saw first hand what the company was doing there especially the bullying the union leaders got on a regular basis when summoned to my American supervisor's office, a man who never bothered to learn Spanish, hence my job was to act as interpreter. He would have busted all the unions if he could but they were too strong.

Americas days of imperialism are over my friend and it can't come soon enough. As an American myself, I don't want to be embarrassed at the least and horrified at the most at what this country does globally to every other nation they think they can raid at will for their resources, like we are some kind of modern day vikings and pirates.

[flamingdem]

80. As an advocate for Snowden it comes across as a course of action

and a threat.

The fact that Snowden / Greenwald are willing to release information that would damage NSA workers, as Der Spiegel indicated he had, shows that they are not discriminate already.

Your generalizations about imperialism are not really relevant here. I have been very critical of US policy in Latin America for years on DU.

The funny thing is no one cared about Latin America here until it could fit their narrow US government based attacks.

This is not the issue to use to change US Latam relations. I was embarrassed for the countries that went along with Morales who was an opportunist and distorted events to create fervor against the USA. I lost respect for the Latin American left seeing the response to a confused incident. Flakey.

[Cleita]

83. Look they are gunning for him and Greenwald. He says it was insurance.

That information, which was never going to be released from what I can gather, is now being used for insurance as Greenwald said. It never will be released, because both Greenie and Snowden are dead ducks if it is. It has become a game of chicken. The USA made a big mistake with the Snowden man hunt. They should just make a deal with him to go to wherever he wants for asylum as long as he never releases the information that would bring down the USA. He really only wanted us to know about the NSA surveillance and the information gathering some telephone company is doing in Latin America, which I have read elsewhere is Verizon.

Well, no one ever cares about Latin America, neither here on DU and North America at large unless it involves a bunch of America under attack or in danger. That's how provincial we are. Going along with Morales is exactly what Latin America needs to do to eventually get rid of our influence and destructive policies there. Think what you might about Morales, but I witnessed more bloody revolutions in Bolivia when I lived on the other side of the mountains in Chile than I can count. We used to get the refugees walking across the border over the mountains to escape.

Yet, the same people would manage to get back into power over and over again. Morales is a member of the Aymara people of that country. Many of our employees in Chile were also of this tribe so I know how poorly they were treated by the Spanish upper classes in both countries. His becoming President is like Obama being the first African American here. The Spanish elite fear him as they fear the Indio people whom they have treated like shit for centuries. The fact that Americans would go along with this hatred of him or other Latinos is pretty appalling to me. But until the Monroe Doctrine is burned in a big bon fire it will continue and we won't come out smelling like roses any way you look at it.

[hopemountain]

88. no.

i translated part of what you posted. period. i chose this part because the statement was not clear to me at the time. in either language, it does read as what can be interpreted as a threat. there it is. i question the journalist and the editor - was this written verbatim from a recording? were greenwald's statements to the journalist in english? who translated? how experienced was the translator? was the piece reviewed for edit by greenwald before printing? too many questions, yes?

no, i am not south american nor elitist. soy indijena, xicana/india.

[Cleita]

89. So you are questioning the whole interview?

If what Greenwald said to the reporter was in English, then the reporter might have interpreted what he said in an overly dramatic fashion like Spanish speakers will do for emphasis. Watch any novella on Spanish TV and you will see what I mean. However, I don't think he said this in English. He lives in Brazil. He does speak Portuguese. I have seen videos of him speaking Portuguese. There is no reason he wouldn't speak Spanish as well as many Brazilians also do. It just isn't the words an English speaker would say. In Spanish it's perfectly acceptable to be dramatic to make a point.

As far as the rest of your questions. They are quite valid. You are questioning the source and if you don't think the source has a whole lot of veracity, then it puts the whole threat accusation as out there as maybe something he didn't say either? I just merely translated the interview as presented. Unless I talk to the reporter and the editor, there is no way to answer your questions.

Unfortunately our media didn't ask those questions either but instead decided to run around hair on fire with accusations that he made threats instead of finding out what he actually said first.

[hopemountain]

90. i do not support snowden and his actions

but, i do question the source/intent/truth of all media.

i am concerned about the surveillance issue - but also aware of the hatred aimed at us in america and the threats on the lives of my president and his family.

i do see and am very aware of what corporate capitalists ( from all over the world not just the usa - including the crime cartels) have done and continue to do in the exploitation of latin america.

[woo me with science]

12. Thank you. The propaganda machine has no credibility,

loud and metastasizing as it may be.

We live in creepy times.

[chervilant]

54. I am sincerely interested

in your translation. Please PM me.

I find it interesting, but not surprising, how quickly people denigrate anyone who highlights the malfeasance of our 'government.' Is it cognitive dissonance, I wonder? Is it false patriotism?

Better, perhaps, to acknowledge that something is seriously amiss, and partner with others to come up with solutions.

Anyone who thinks that our nation is, and has long been, a wise and benevolent democracy focused on peace and freedom for all nations needs to read "The American Age" by Walter LaFeber. Or, "Beyond Power" by Marilyn French.

Acknowledging we have a problem is the first step in recovery...

[Douglas Carpenter]

55. they are only denigrating those who highlight the malfeasance of our government because

there is a Democrat in the White House right now -- If Bush were President or any other Republican - it would be St. Edward and St. Glenn from the very same people who are now leading the smear campaign. In fact they would be smearing those who were the least bit skeptical of their reports. Until recently I honestly and sincerely believed that Democrats had more integrity, critical thinking and more intellectual honesty than Republicans.

[chervilant]

56. As my mother would have said:

We are in a mell of a hess. I have advocated for survivors of relationship violence for decades now. I've learned that denial and rationalization are key coping strategies we use whenever we're seriously threatened in situations where we should feel safe. Perhaps, it's far easier to deny our "government's" global bullying than to work with "others" to effect meaningful change.

[Kolesar]

59. "Perhaps, it's far easier to deny our "government's" global bullying than to work with others to..."

"...to effect meaningful change. "

Or, perhaps not!

[Kolesar]

57. Another expression of lugubrious malaise about the Democratic Party

"I'm wagging my chin extra hard this morning"

[Bonobo]

58. I am a professional translator. Please send it to me.

I will give you my mail in a PM.

[PSPS]

9. Oh my, that Greenwald is over the top! Let's all get behind our surveillance society!!1!!11

[Summer Hathaway]

11. So people who think Greenwald

IS over-the-top are getting "behind a surveillance society"?

I don't know what's worse - the black-and-white thinking, or the total lack of thinking in the first instance.

[woo me with science]

17. The smear/propaganda machine grinds on.

We live in very creepy times.

[Summer Hathaway]

28. I can't help but have noticed

that when Greenwald's or Snowden's own words are quoted, someone invariably steps in to label it part of the smear/propaganda machine.

Both are doing a fantastic job of smearing themselves, their credibility, and their integrity. In view of that fact, no smear/propaganda machine appears to be necessary.

[flamingdem]

63. This is a fantastic point

I will keep it in mind and quote from their own propaganda.

It's difficult to keep up with all the mierde they're throwing at the wall however.

[Cha]

50. Greenwald's making it about himself and he keeps reminding us

that he's a vicious disingenuous asshole.

Maybe he should just shut the fuck up if he wants it to be only about the Big Bad Ol USA.

[Hekate]

10. Increasingly, it appears to be All About Greenwald.

Interesting article by Cesca.

[flamingdem]

14. Greenwald video interview on blueprints and "look at me, look at me"

On your knees USA!

[struggle4progress]

13. Am I the only one wondering if the government will sicc a sharknado on Snowden?

[flamingdem]

15. "I consume nerds for breakfast, hire me" - S. Nado

[woo me with science]

18. Smear, smear, smear.

The propaganda machine has no credibility.

Authoritarianism is very predictable. Where there is surveillance, there will also be a heavy propaganda machine.

[flamingdem]

24. You've been reading too many pamphlets

[arely staircase]

73. and other meaningless buzzwords. nt

[caseymoz]

19. Number 1 is dismissible.

I hope Cesca has run his quips about Greenwald by some Pakastanis and Yemanites, and people from some other countries. They take the possibility of being murdered by the US government seriously after having drones target their people. Whether Snowden's life is in immediate danger or in danger if he tries to leave Russia, Cesca has made a joke about something that's no laughing matter. A third-rate commentator will tell you that if you're going to ridicule somebody, make it funny.

Our government has already shown its poor faith and has killed hundreds with drones. It has asserted the right to assassinate anybody it chooses in any country it chooses or to make people disappear into some third world hole with no trial. Greenwald has every reason to fear for Snowden's life, and anyone at this site who doesn't see that is an idiot.

I've read enough of Cesca to know he will never touch a keyboard without subtracting from the sum total of human knowledge.

[flamingdem]

21. Snowden's life isn't worth more than a revealed agent who might be killed

That's blood on the hands and way beyond the initial scope of privacy. Yet, this is what is being threatened.

Snowden and Greenwald have turned into thugs.

[caseymoz]

25. I know we shouldn't be in the same party.

Or at the same party or in the same building.

Ignored.

[flamingdem]

26. I doubt we're in the same party

I'm a Democrat

[Summer Hathaway]

30. ...

[flamingdem]

33. woot!

[Summer Hathaway]

35. One of THE best comebacks

I've ever seen on this site!

Way to go, flamingdem!

[caseymoz]

31. And you doubt wrong.

The number of repubs I've voted for the last four elections is zero. A hundred percent Democrats.

Though after reading hateful comments about Snowden and sympathetic ones about Zimmerman, I'm seriously considering dropping out of the party and coming out as a socialist, something I would have never dreamed of doing two months ago.

PS. Somehow, that ignore didn't take. I'm trying again. Bye.

[flamingdem]

34. Well Snowden is no socialist!

[Hekate]

39. Oh baloney. If your online reading of "comments" has that affect on you, you weren't too committed..

... in the first place.

I'm seriously considering dropping out of the party and coming out as a socialist, something I would have never dreamed of doing two months ago.

[Ikonoklast]

60. That Libertarian Greenwald and his current cause celebre Libertarian Snowden turned me SOCIALIST!!!!

I am trying to see why people here are stupid enough to fall for Libertarian horseshit.

[randome]

61. They fell for Assange and his 'poison pill' archive.

They will fall for this, too.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Hekate]

36. >snrk<

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. !!!

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

45. .

[leftynyc]

48. Well said - Bravo (n/t)

[SidDithers]

62. Boom goes the dynamite...nt

Sid

[Whisp]

68. !!!

[OilemFirchen]

67. It's more about the food at your party.

Piss, vinegar and sour grapes.

Perhaps it's an acquired taste?

[Hissyspit]

42. Most of it is dismissible. Just character assassination language.

Complaining about prose and updates. Good grief.

[jmowreader]

20. I got it...

The movie "Sharknado" is actually a coded Snowden assassination plot!

[flamingdem]

23. Yes, it's too much of a coincidence

Operation Snownado starring Glenn Galore.

[Hekate]

29. Cesca has some choice phrases: “Don’t nobody move, see, or the United States government gets it!”

3) All of that said, the U.S. government has faced down Nazi Germany, the Japanese Empire, the British Empire and the Army of Northern Virginia. I think the government has seen its fair share of “worst nightmares,” extending far beyond the actions of an NSA hacker who’s not even courageous enough in his convictions to return to the U.S. and face charges like others have.

And, I might add, the Soviet Union at the height of its power rattling nukes at us. I grew up with that lengthy scenario, and it was not fun. In my work with the VFP during the Bush II years, one of my friends was a university professor who had been a "Cold Warrior" in intel. At the outset of the Cuban Missile Crisis he dumped the wife and kids in the car and took them far out in the countryside, away from their city of residence, which was a target, then went back to his classified job. I was an ignorant kid, but he was an adult in the know, and that's how seriously he took it. But the US government, in the person of President Kennedy, did not back down.

I love this one:
4) In his subsequent clarification post, Greenwald wrote, “The US government has acted with wild irrationality.” He continues by writing that the government has attempted to block Snowden from fleeing Russia. Yeah, totally irrational behavior in pursuit of a fugitive who claims to have “insurance documents” that could seriously harm the U.S. government. Clearly in all of Greenwald’s legal dealings he’s failed to learn anything about how fugitives are pursued. Same goes for Snowden.

And this one about the threats made by Greenwald, that he tried to deny were threats:
6) ... The Argentinian newspaper simply asked Greenwald if Snowden had additional documents. The question: “Beyond the revelations about the spying system performance in general, what extra information has Snowden?” There’s nothing in that question about a potential assassination or “insurance documents” that could harm the U.S. government.
Greenwald volunteered the threatening language, not Snowden or Wikileaks or Assange. He did it in classic noir mob movie style: “Don’t nobody move, see, or the United States government gets it!”
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/greenwalds-big-threat-if-snowden-is-assassinated-the-u-s-government-will-pay-the-price/#.UeNtjZ4hOOA.twitter

I have to say Cesca has a certain perspective that by now I find fairly refreshing.

[flamingdem]

32. He takes shredding

Greenwald to an art form!

I understant the motivation. Greenwald and the rest of the gang throw so much crap hoping it sticks, but he carefully untangles it, and with humor.

Don't nobody move, see!

New Yawk gangster talk from Brazil

[Cha]

47. Green Greenwald and his sabre

rattling from.. where? Remind me.. where does Greenwald hold up and rattle his sabre? And, now he's walking back with his sabre only rattling a little.

But, they weren't "threats" in his bloody threatening language.

[Waiting For Everyman]

37. Cesca is charmingly quaint too.

Well... except without the charming part.

Pretty much without the quaint part too.

Ok then, just a garden-variety tool, like a hoe for instance.

Cesca's Manifesto? What, pray tell, would that be? If Cesca ever broke an earth-shatteringly important story, I don't remember hearing that he did. I searched for one too, but I couldn't find one, maybe I missed it? I normally wouldn't rag on him like this, but since he saw fit to do it to Greenwald (out of nothing more than pure jealousy as far as I can tell), well, what the hell, he's got it coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Cesca

I did however find this gem below, while looking for greatness about Bob: Gawky, young, conservative Cesca's idea of a hero. Now that is quaint! I didn't know a guy could gush this much. You learn something every day -- that HuffPo is so informative, almost as much as AOL.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/25-years-later-morton-dow_b_3397844.html

Oh, woops, I forgot to address the point, didn't I? I would, except I can't find one -- only that Cesca appears to be upset that Greenwald made a statement to a newspaper. What a eff'ed up thing to do! What does that guy think he is, anyway, a journalist or something? Oh, I forgot, only Cesca is a journalist, only he can talk to newspapers. (As the cartoon Tom Terrific used to say when we boomers were kids) RIGHT-E-O!

[SidDithers]

38. HUGE K&R!!!...nt

Sid

[Cha]

40. "It's not about Snowden" Greenwald is so full of shite.

“Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,”

Greenwald must really like it that he has so many mesmerized and ready to follow him fucking anywhere. Case in point.. how many Snowden threads have we seen that stated: "It's not about Snowden"?

Haysus.. It's hard to keep up with all the Snowden/Greenwald Bullshit..

Last week, Der Spiegel reported that Snowden gave them documents that could harm NSA employees, and so the news outlet decided not to issue those details. So much for Greenwald’s insistence that Snowden has been discrete and urged reporters not to release anything that would “cause gratuitous harm.”

Gotta hand it to Bob Cesca and all those who deconstruct it!

Hey stupid!.. In his subsequent clarification post, Greenwald wrote, “The US government has acted with wild irrationality. Creep has no sense of irony.

And, finally..

Ultimately, this is the real Greenwald. This is the polemical, agenda-driven bully who tricked the world into believing he’s a hard news reporter. Taken with Snowden’s other role models, Assange and Ron Paul, and we’re getting a clear picture of Snowden’s agenda and therefore the spin that accompanies all of his so-called bombshells.

So much good stuff in there.. muchas Gracias, flamingdem

[flamingdem]

41. De nada Cha

Cesca has tweaked his Greenwald critique to perfection! GG would do well to read it, he needs irony lessons!

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

43. In a perfect world, Greenwald would have been taken into custody after those comments. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

46. EXACTLY - In a perfect world it would be journalist who would have to answer questions from the

government - instead of the government having to answer questions from the journalist! If we all work together to insure we have the real surveillance state that we need - the days of insolent renegade journalist can be wiped from the face of the earth forever!

[Ichingcarpenter]

49. LOL...OK now that was great

sarcasm.

[Hekate]

51. A real journalist might consider protecting his source instead of exploiting his source

There is that.

[Douglas Carpenter]

52. real journalist would get permission from the government before they report things. Real journalist

don't rely on leaks and informers - they report the official position of the state and stand by those positions. Real journalist like Bob Cesca are standing with our leaders and working to strengthen the Surveillance state instead of undermining it and trying to get people to question it by sticking their nose into matters that are none of their business and none of our business either.

[Summer Hathaway]

53. Yes, there is THAT

But actually recognizing the obvious THAT is something some people just can't do.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

79. I'm glad we're on the same page.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

76. That's the dumbest thing I've read all day. Thank you. n/t

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

81. Really? Not even a glance at FDL, Counterpunch, or Truth Out? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

85. Nope, readin's been slow this morning. Greenwald aside, can you

admit that advocating for the arrest of a journalist wasn't a well thought out response?

Do you truly believe that journalists should be arrested for doing their job?

I'm willing to retract my original comment if you can make me understand why Greenwald should be arrested.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Greenwald fan and am not at all familiar with his history of work. Also, I've been on a self-imposed boycott of nearly all news and opinion for the past 3 1/2 months. As such, I don't know much about the entire Snowden story. I was merely commenting on the idea that a journalist should be arrested by the U.S. government.

[Scurrilous]

64. Thanks.

"..the United States and its government is pure evil and it’s coming for you."

[flamingdem]

65. Just found this: Greenwald Bond Villain

https://twitter.com/igcarr/status/356147176432357376/photo/1

[Scurrilous]

70. LOL

In his dreams.

[Fawke Em]

69. I hate people like this.

That Cesca uses this sentence, "The question now, I suppose, is whether the government will use chemtrails, black helicopters or, perhaps, the government will manipulate some tornados (sic) to attack Snowden," shows he is part of the propaganda Wurlitzer.

Just because SOME conspiracy theories are far-fetched DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACIES. And it doesn't mean that everyone who thinks Snowden might be in some sort of danger from our government is nuts. They aren't.

Remember Operations Northwoods and Mockingbird? Or when Nayirah al-Sabah testified to Congress that she witnessed Iraqi soldiers kill babies?

A conspiracy means that more than one person was involved in the scheme or crime or plot and a theory means that you're making an educated guess as to what happened. It doesn't necessarily mean "the musings of a kook."

No, Bob, I don't suspect the government will be manipulating TORNADOES (you spelled it incorrectly), but a drone strike or a CIA take-down is NOT out of the question, and we both know it.

I, for one, have been sorely disappointed in mainstream reporting for years. When I was a working journalism, healthy skepticism - which is what we called it when someone, you know, actually questioned motives and sought answers (that's called tin-foil-hattery today) - ruled a reporter's life and drove stories. Too bad we're all drinking grape Flavor-aid these days.

[Android3.14]

71. And that. flamingdem, justifies everything the government is doing

So what you are saying is, because Greenwald said it, and you dislike Greenwald, this means it is okay for the government to have "...spent the last decade invading, bombing, torturing, rendering, kidnapping, imprisoning without charges, droning, partnering with the worst dictators and murderers, and targeting its own citizens for assassination...”
golly.
You so smart.

[randome]

72. That's funny, I don't think Snowden mentioned any of those things.

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[arely staircase]

74. Greenwald basically hung a target around Snowden's neck.

from the comments section of the Cesca story:

"I have no idea why he thought is was a genius move to announce to every rogue nation, faction, war lord, cartel kingpin, terrorist organization and highly-motivated anti-gummint nutjob on Earth that if they want to inflict maximum damage on the US all the have to do is kill one guy, but hanging that target around Snowden's neck is exactly what Glenn has accomplished."

These people aren't very good chess players. Of course I suspect they are full of shit in regards to this whole dead man's switch - just as Assange's similar threat turned out to be complete bullshit.

[ProSense]

78. Carl Bernstein:

Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line' (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261520

Greenwald jumped in to create the headline for the week. Actually, two headlines: the "worst nightmare" and the one from the quote he's using to try to cover his ass:

"Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261520#post9

[MineralMan]

82. Greenwald is doing this:

At some point, a guy with a pin will end the blowing.

[randome]

84. Sometimes the pin isn't even needed!

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[MineralMan]

86. This is true. Overestimating the capacity of the balloon you're

inflating can lead to it blowing up in your face.

Greenwald seems to be about at that point right now.

[Scurrilous]

87. Boink.