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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:37 PM Jul 2013

What George Zimmerman Can Do Now - Some night very soon, if he so chooses - By Charles P. Pierce

JUL 14, 2013
What George Zimmerman Can Do Now
By Charles P. Pierce at 7:45am

Calm is prevailing. For now. At least, that's something.

However, in theory, at least, here is what is now possible. Some night very soon, if he so chooses, George Zimmerman can load his piece, tuck it into the back of his pants, climb into his SUV, and drive around Sanford, Florida looking for assholes and fucking punks who are walking through neighborhoods where he, George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, doesn't think they belong. He can drive around Sanford, Florida and check out anyone who is dressed in such a manner as might frighten the average citizen who has been fed a daily diet of "Scary Black Kids" by their local news and by their favorite radio personalities, and who is dressed in such a manner as might seem inappropriate to their surroundings as determined by George Zimmerman, crimebuster. He can drive around Sanford, Florida until he spots an asshole or a fucking punk and then he can get out of his SUV, his piece tucked into the back of his pants, and he can stalk the asshole or the fucking punk, the one who is in the wrong neighborhood, or who is dressed inappropriately, at least according to George Zimmerman, protector of peace. If the asshole, or the fucking punk, turns around and objects to being stalked -- or, worse, if the asshole, or the fucking punk, decides physically to confront the person stalking him -- then George Zimmerman can whip out the piece from the back of his pants and shoot the asshole, or the fucking punk, dead right there on the spot. This can happen tonight. That is now possible. Hunting licenses are now available and it's open season on assholes, fucking punks, and kids who wear hoodies at night in neighborhoods where they do not belong, at least according to George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, crimebuster, and protector of the peace, because that is what American society has told George Zimmerman, and all the rest of us, is the just outcome of what happened on one dark and rainy night in February of 2012.

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What George Zimmerman Can Do Now - Some night very soon, if he so chooses - By Charles P. Pierce (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
We are as a nation going to have to do something about FL, TX, OK, and so forth Doctor_J Jul 2013 #1
We have no choice, legal murder can not be allowed to stand. tridim Jul 2013 #7
It IS allowed to stand. In Texas, you can kill after dark, no problem. nt valerief Jul 2013 #51
Home Truths, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #2
Bitter, bitter truths Hekate Jul 2013 #20
Jury decides death penalty for Trayvon Martin KurtNYC Jul 2013 #3
Probably gassing up the mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #4
yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #12
The same thing RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #5
Anyone who happens on Zimmerman and sees him reach into a pocket has reasonable fear for their life Thor_MN Jul 2013 #15
That's what I was thinking TxDemChem Jul 2013 #35
Zimmerman is a liability to the HUMAN RACE! n.t. RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #38
No, Zimmerman is below the RML (Required Melanin Level) for this to work Patiod Jul 2013 #57
Great article k and r! nt PCIntern Jul 2013 #6
Actually, I think Zimmerman will think twice about even leaving his home. He's gonna need protection OregonBlue Jul 2013 #8
Great observation. has a ring of truth. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #11
Well said Oregon! So true. nt caledesi Jul 2013 #17
I wish that were true, stranger81 Jul 2013 #39
That's a scurrilous insult to the entire south eastern seaboard. TalkingDog Jul 2013 #41
Nothing scurrilous about it. stranger81 Jul 2013 #43
He's definitely a hero where I live in Polk County, GA Papagoose Jul 2013 #50
Is he a hero to you and your family? Do you like being painted as a TalkingDog Jul 2013 #56
Oh what must I do to meet the demands of an Internet Stranger TalkingDog Jul 2013 #55
I don't think you know what bigot means. stranger81 Jul 2013 #59
Well, all of those donations to his "defense fund" didn't come out of the ether Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #53
And all the people prostesting in various Southern cities aren't racists TalkingDog Jul 2013 #58
True... GreedIsGood Jul 2013 #44
I hope the six ladies on the jury Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #9
They saw only a fraction of what we saw, because they kept being sent out of the room Hekate Jul 2013 #21
I agree Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #23
Not all the evidence was permissable TupperHappy Jul 2013 #47
If it was just George Z, it would be bad enough 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #10
I think so too. John2 Jul 2013 #19
This is my fear. Borchkins Jul 2013 #52
Someone make him a cape. forgotmylogin Jul 2013 #13
I think the old "Castle Defense" put the burden of evidence on the shooter Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #24
Stand Your Ground Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #25
SYG was not part of this trial. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #29
Thanks kpete and K&R unapatriciated Jul 2013 #14
the kid didn't even fit the scary stereotype.. EC Jul 2013 #16
The jury has decided its open season on Blacks and any minority; no bag limit. olegramps Jul 2013 #18
No, it want John2 Jul 2013 #22
That simple malaise Jul 2013 #26
What he ought to do... Deep13 Jul 2013 #27
Does GZ strike you as someone who believes he did anything wrong? He strikes me as an insecure OregonBlue Jul 2013 #30
Well, clearly. I was speaking hypothetically. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #31
Maybe he can stalk members of the jury, or his lawyer's daughters. THAT? Would be justice. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #28
THAT is sick B2G Jul 2013 #33
So was the verdict. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #37
Jury came to the right decision TupperHappy Jul 2013 #48
Travon Martin didn't have the same right to protect himself? olegramps Jul 2013 #49
If the jury's decision is "right", then the law is fucked up Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #54
? you cannot be against vigilantism AND for it Skittles Jul 2013 #42
Z is a prime example Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2013 #32
That's what I take out of this as well Patiod Jul 2013 #60
Yowser! Pearce's anger fairly seethes in that piece, and I don't blame him.. truth2power Jul 2013 #34
I don't expect him to change either. noamnety Jul 2013 #36
Sadly some Floridians would think this hunting license is a great idea SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #40
k and fucking r. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #45
More garbage. Vattel Jul 2013 #46
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
1. We are as a nation going to have to do something about FL, TX, OK, and so forth
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

otherwise the entire country is going down with them.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
4. Probably gassing up the
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

engine for one of those famous midnight rides as we speak!!!!!!!You think he will wear his "Hoodie"

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
5. The same thing
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jul 2013

can be done to him, and someone might feel threatened by Zimmerman's previous behavior, and take him out. Not that I condone, it, it is just a statement of fact.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. Anyone who happens on Zimmerman and sees him reach into a pocket has reasonable fear for their life
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jul 2013

As you said, I do not condon, it is just a fact.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
35. That's what I was thinking
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jul 2013

If I saw him on the street, acting suspicious as if he wanted to start some mess, I would honestly be in fear of my life. I wish I wish I was sarcastic in that statement, but it honestly scares the hell out of me that he would be out on the street and apparently does not feel that he did anything wrong. Thus, he could possibly put himself in that position again. On the flip side, I would hope no neighborhood watch would allow him to take part in the efforts. He would be a serious liability.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
57. No, Zimmerman is below the RML (Required Melanin Level) for this to work
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

You're only allowed to do that to people DARKER than Zimmerman.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
8. Actually, I think Zimmerman will think twice about even leaving his home. He's gonna need protection
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jul 2013

every day of his life. He will be looking over his shoulder everywhere he goes, so basically, he will find out what it's like to be a black man in America.

That may be the only justice we get from this travesty.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. Great observation. has a ring of truth.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jul 2013

which is a scrap of consolation, I hope, to the Martin family as well.

He is a marked man for life, as they say... and for very good reasons.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
39. I wish that were true,
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
Jul 2013

but I have a feeling his fellow Gunshine Staters will be throwing little Georgie a ticker tape parade every time he leaves the house. He's a big hero south of the Mason-Dixon.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
41. That's a scurrilous insult to the entire south eastern seaboard.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

He's not a hero amongst my friends and family and we live in a little red county in NC.

As such, you can bite my shiny metal ass.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
43. Nothing scurrilous about it.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:09 AM
Jul 2013

If you don't like the well-earned reputation that part of the country has, do something to change it.

Papagoose

(428 posts)
50. He's definitely a hero where I live in Polk County, GA
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jul 2013

I've had to pretty much avoid all social media and my neighbors the past couple of days to avoid pointless arguments.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
55. Oh what must I do to meet the demands of an Internet Stranger
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jul 2013

who knows flying fuck about what I've done, how I act and how I conduct myself in my daily life?

Grow up. Stop being a bigot.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
59. I don't think you know what bigot means.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jul 2013

And I stand by what I said. Your part of the country has a well-deserved reputation for racism. If you don't like the cesspool you live in, do something about it. It's an embarrassment to the rest of this country.

In any event, my ignore list has tripled this past week because of all this nonsense. I think you'll find yourself in good company there.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
21. They saw only a fraction of what we saw, because they kept being sent out of the room
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jul 2013

At this point I never want to be on a jury in a criminal trial.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
23. I agree
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jul 2013

that was part of the problem. Not much point in having a jury if they can't see all the evidence.

TupperHappy

(166 posts)
47. Not all the evidence was permissable
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

Unless you think it would have been OK to allow evidence of Trayon's past misdeeds. I suspect you would object there. If you have a problem take it up with the judge.

I think the jury came to the right decision, ultimately. The state failed to prove its case, and the jury has to work with what evidence is presented to them at trial.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
10. If it was just George Z, it would be bad enough
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jul 2013

but the scary undeniable fact is, there are 10s of thousands "George Zimmermans"
out there, gleefully savoring their newfound freedoms to murder-at-will.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
19. I think so too.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jul 2013

It has become easier to commit murder and get off in Florida. Zimmerman is not the only person can pack a gun. Gun violence will probably increase in Florida also. Somebody could kill him packing a gun and claim self defense. All they have to do is claim he pulled his gun on them, and they felt their life was in danger. How will the prosecution prove it didn't happen that way, if Zimmerman can't testify? Those women don't know what they hatched. They can be attacked and fight back, but the attacker can just shoot you defending himself. All he has to do is say his life was in danger. If they ever threw things at their husbands and injure them, all he has to do is take out his gun and shoot you.

Borchkins

(724 posts)
52. This is my fear.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jul 2013

There will be countless copycats. It is not safe to be young, black, and out after dark.
B

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
13. Someone make him a cape.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think I disagree with the concept of "Stand Your Ground"...but I think standing "your" ground should be limited to "ground" you actually own. You can stand your ground in your house and on your property, but someone shouldn't be allowed go canvassing for people to shoot.

Didn't it used to be called "the Castle Defense"?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
24. I think the old "Castle Defense" put the burden of evidence on the shooter
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jul 2013

to establish that his killing was in self-defense. The legal default position was a homicide charge.

If, for example, the burglar had bullet holes in the back, things might not go well for you. I also seem to recall a WI case in which the defendant had fired three rounds into his home-invading would-be assailant. The first 2 were ruled Self Defense but the third, and fatal round was found to be an act of homicide because it was not necessary in defending against the already disabled assailant.

EC

(12,287 posts)
16. the kid didn't even fit the scary stereotype..
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jul 2013

he was wearing chinos...not jeans down around his knees. This is now going to be a long summer.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
22. No, it want
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jul 2013

be like that. All we have to do is start packing ourselves. If Martin was packing, the odds would have been more even. What goes around can come around.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
27. What he ought to do...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

...devote his life to greater understanding among people and help end the myth of race. He should do it as penance for the life he took. Maybe his story will make someone else back off rather than pulling a trigger.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
30. Does GZ strike you as someone who believes he did anything wrong? He strikes me as an insecure
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jul 2013

punk. His father was a judge who has always managed to get him out of trouble. He will never accept responsibility for his own actions.

TupperHappy

(166 posts)
48. Jury came to the right decision
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jul 2013

The prosecution failed to prove their case, pure and simple. Murder 2 was absurd on its face, manslaughter more plausible, but the evidence was not there. Perhaps a lesser change to start with and throughout the trial, but this case became political so quickly, and so many people wanted this to become a show trial with a predetermined guilty verdict.

Yes, Zimmerman will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life now, and if anything does happen to him I'm afraid many (not all, not even most, but many) on the left will dance with glee. And that is a sad indictment on them.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
49. Travon Martin didn't have the same right to protect himself?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jul 2013

He was followed and confronted by someone he could not have possibly have known what his intentions were and had just as much right, even more so to protect himself, unless of course he is Black. The latter is the key. Zimmerman had no right to interfere with his rights as a law abiding citizen. The fact is he Zimmerman was challenged and when he was getting the worse of if the lily white chicken shit pulled out his gun and killed the kid. Unfortunately, this wasn't his first time of his brush with the law which was disallowed from being presented to the jury. I knew he was sunk when one of the jurors said what was the kid doing out so late. The objections of defense to sit this juror were ignored. I know that five of the jurors were White and one maybe a minority, possibly a Latino, and I am to accept that this was a jury of his peers. As a member of the defense remarked in an interview, he was very pleased with the jury selection.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
54. If the jury's decision is "right", then the law is fucked up
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jul 2013

and spare me your indictments of "the left"

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
42. ? you cannot be against vigilantism AND for it
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jul 2013

ZImmerman's behavior was sick, sick, SICK and so is your suggestion

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
32. Z is a prime example
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jul 2013

of why we need extraordinarily strict gun control laws in this country. With his violent background, he should never have had one in the first place. Too many people have too many guns. Period.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
60. That's what I take out of this as well
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jul 2013

Why was someone with TWO documented Anger Management issues - reported domestic violence and an altercations with the police - allowed to have a carry permit?

Even the most avid gun-worshippers can't argue that TWO run-ins with the law indicating anger issues should not disqualify you from carrying a gun.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
34. Yowser! Pearce's anger fairly seethes in that piece, and I don't blame him..
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jul 2013

"Asshole". "Fucking punk". Pearce makes sure we all remember how Zimmy described Travon Martin.

And lest we forget this, as well:

"It was hard at that moment, when the jury gave George Zimmerman back his gun, to remember that this trial wasn't supposed to happen at all. The Sanford P.D. was ready to hand Zimmerman back his gun with a fast shuffle until people got into the streets and suggested, loudly, that maybe the circumstances required another look. This is something that should be remembered now by all those sharp guys who talk about how the evidence cut both ways, and about how the prosecution overcharged the defendant, and about how well the defense mounted its case. There wasn't supposed to be a trial at all." <Emphasis added.>


Shame on the Sanford P.D.


Zimmerman is what he is. It's part of his character. I don't expect him to change.

This is going to come to a very bad end. Sooner. Or later.
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
36. I don't expect him to change either.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

I am expecting an OJ type sequel to this. I think they are both sociopaths who have more in common with Dexter than with the rest of society. He gets a rush out of violence and confrontation, I think it's an addiction for him, and he'll find himself facing new felony charges soon enough.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
46. More garbage.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jul 2013

Did Zimmerman come up behind Martin as the article implies? The author somehow knows that he did. Did Martin seem suspicious to Zimmerman simply because he was wearing a hoodie and was a young black male? The author somehow knows that this was indeed the case. At least this author concedes that just maybe Martin decided to "physically confront" Zimmerman. I guess that means that Martin might have decided to beat up Zimmerman. The official narrative might be improving!!

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