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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbsolutely RIGHT ON: NAACP statement on aquittal
We are outraged and heartbroken over today's verdict. We stand with Trayvon's family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/outraged-naacp-feds-prosecute-george-zimmerman/storynew?id=19659034#.UeLOJdJzGpA
bobduca
(1,763 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)say "No change" to the "Stand your ground" laws....
John2
(2,730 posts)better research methods should be done with interviews and among people the law affect than Polls from corporations. That kind of research method provides more trust then calling out a particular group or people on phones. It is very easy to shape a Poll or manipulate it to what you want it to say. I hope you understand what I'm saying. People shouldn't put too much stock in Polls.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I am aware that polls can be manipulated. But you have to start with some idea of how many folks feel about an issue. Maybe opinion has changed after this? I don't know.
kept racial profiling out of the prosecution's case, but she allowed the defense to stereo type Martin in front of a predominately white jury. They totally ignored Trayvon Martin's rights to self defense. I still maintain there was no evidence presented Trayvon ever circled back or jumped Zimmerman, who had a loaded gun.
I also still maintain Zimmerman profiled Martin and used derogatory language would showed ill will towards him. People keep claiming manslaughter but the evidence for murder existed. The prosecution failed to bring in Zimmerman's past violent history for some reason also. Maybe it was due to the judge or intimidation from the defense about bringing up Martin's history where no criminal records of violence existed. The judge allowed the defense to look at Martin's social media accounts, which should have been private. All that stuff on twitter or facebook is just hearsay and not evidence of anything that actually occurred. Kids do that a lot on those accounts just to present an image. It was just a fishing expedition by the defense.
She should had never allowed one of the defense witnesses to testify about Martin's physical capacity either. I'm stunned the prosecution didn't vigorously object to even allowing that. I don't see how someone can testify to someone's capacity, when he had never met or examined Trayvon Martin but he did. The defense presented him as an expert I believe, when he compared Martin's physical capacities to Zimmerman's. This guy presented Martin as physically superior and Martin being soft but he has never gave Trayvon any physical or observed him in any activity. Coot's testimony essentially didn't serve any purpose or relevance. He could testify to Zimmerman's capacity but he can't make any assertions about Trayvon being soft or physically superior to Zimmerman. It was just another example of stereotyping Black males.
She shouldn't have allowed the defense to present that animation to the jury either. Whatever images they had on it representing Trayvon is not evidence and would have been another example of villifying Trayvon to the jury. It would also be unfair because it gave Zimmerman an advantage to not testify and be cross examined.
They should have bought in Police misconduct and the prosecution should have labeled detective Serina a hostile witness. He and John Good should have been the defense's witness. Good might have embellished his testimony with that MMA style description. There are two alleged witnesses that were not presented in that trial by both sides concerning a 13 year old boy and mother, concerning police misconduct. It seems to me the police investigators were trying to shore up weaknesses in Zimmerman's testimony instead of taking statements. That re-enactment seemed more like a rehearsal where investigators were pointing out weaknesses so they can be corrected. That is why I question their explanations about clarifying and adding in information, which Good asserts. For example, was it Serino suggested MMA style to Good or Good's words.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I couldn't go online last night after hearing the news because it made me literally sick to my stomach even though the verdict was not unexpected. (Please note the jury found him 'not guilty'; different from declaring someone innocent, even though I still don't see how they could've miscarried justice so.)
Someone has to see justice done through the courts, and the NAACP is just the organization to lead the charge. This matter's far from settled. Besides, not that I care a lot about Zimmy's safety or happiness after what he did, but he will last longer in isolation in a federal prison than he's likely to out of jail. One way or another, you know he's a marked man. The reason I'd rather see him locked up for life has nothing to do with mercy; quite the other way around. It's far worse to be locked away in a tiny cell forever. Otherwise why would some inmates eventually ask to be executed?
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Zimmerman had already gotten a break before the trial started. Although the facts of the case clearly supported prosecution and conviction for first degree murder, he was charged with something less. If the prosecutors didn't think they could get a jury to convict Zimmerman of murder-1, that is already a sad commentary on Florida communities.
There was no reasonable doubt in this matter. Zimmerman, against instructions of the 911 dispatcher, left his car and pursued Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman clearly had a racial animus. His sole reason for believing that Trayvon was up to no good was that Trayvon was a young black man.
There is no excuse for this verdict and no excuse for any one defending it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Zimmerman just didn't use a rope to lynch Travon. You don't need a burning cross and a bed sheet to read the real intent.