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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:15 PM Jul 2013

Absolutely RIGHT ON: NAACP statement on aquittal

We are outraged and heartbroken over today's verdict. We stand with Trayvon's family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed.



http://abcnews.go.com/US/outraged-naacp-feds-prosecute-george-zimmerman/storynew?id=19659034#.UeLOJdJzGpA
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Absolutely RIGHT ON: NAACP statement on aquittal (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
This is why I support them with monthly contribution bobduca Jul 2013 #1
Bless them. nt riqster Jul 2013 #2
K&R cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3
Thank you NAACP oldandhappy Jul 2013 #4
the struggle continues napkinz Jul 2013 #5
According to a Quinnipiac poll, 56% of Floridians Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #6
I think John2 Jul 2013 #10
I don't disagree, and I wonder how many folks would ask for no changes in SYG now Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #12
K & R SoapBox Jul 2013 #7
The judge John2 Jul 2013 #8
They're absolutely right. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #9
This must be done Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #11
Sums up exactly how I feel. nt MADem Jul 2013 #13
It was a hate crime libodem Jul 2013 #14
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
10. I think
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jul 2013

better research methods should be done with interviews and among people the law affect than Polls from corporations. That kind of research method provides more trust then calling out a particular group or people on phones. It is very easy to shape a Poll or manipulate it to what you want it to say. I hope you understand what I'm saying. People shouldn't put too much stock in Polls.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
12. I don't disagree, and I wonder how many folks would ask for no changes in SYG now
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jul 2013

I am aware that polls can be manipulated. But you have to start with some idea of how many folks feel about an issue. Maybe opinion has changed after this? I don't know.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
8. The judge
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

kept racial profiling out of the prosecution's case, but she allowed the defense to stereo type Martin in front of a predominately white jury. They totally ignored Trayvon Martin's rights to self defense. I still maintain there was no evidence presented Trayvon ever circled back or jumped Zimmerman, who had a loaded gun.


I also still maintain Zimmerman profiled Martin and used derogatory language would showed ill will towards him. People keep claiming manslaughter but the evidence for murder existed. The prosecution failed to bring in Zimmerman's past violent history for some reason also. Maybe it was due to the judge or intimidation from the defense about bringing up Martin's history where no criminal records of violence existed. The judge allowed the defense to look at Martin's social media accounts, which should have been private. All that stuff on twitter or facebook is just hearsay and not evidence of anything that actually occurred. Kids do that a lot on those accounts just to present an image. It was just a fishing expedition by the defense.

She should had never allowed one of the defense witnesses to testify about Martin's physical capacity either. I'm stunned the prosecution didn't vigorously object to even allowing that. I don't see how someone can testify to someone's capacity, when he had never met or examined Trayvon Martin but he did. The defense presented him as an expert I believe, when he compared Martin's physical capacities to Zimmerman's. This guy presented Martin as physically superior and Martin being soft but he has never gave Trayvon any physical or observed him in any activity. Coot's testimony essentially didn't serve any purpose or relevance. He could testify to Zimmerman's capacity but he can't make any assertions about Trayvon being soft or physically superior to Zimmerman. It was just another example of stereotyping Black males.

She shouldn't have allowed the defense to present that animation to the jury either. Whatever images they had on it representing Trayvon is not evidence and would have been another example of villifying Trayvon to the jury. It would also be unfair because it gave Zimmerman an advantage to not testify and be cross examined.

They should have bought in Police misconduct and the prosecution should have labeled detective Serina a hostile witness. He and John Good should have been the defense's witness. Good might have embellished his testimony with that MMA style description. There are two alleged witnesses that were not presented in that trial by both sides concerning a 13 year old boy and mother, concerning police misconduct. It seems to me the police investigators were trying to shore up weaknesses in Zimmerman's testimony instead of taking statements. That re-enactment seemed more like a rehearsal where investigators were pointing out weaknesses so they can be corrected. That is why I question their explanations about clarifying and adding in information, which Good asserts. For example, was it Serino suggested MMA style to Good or Good's words.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
9. They're absolutely right.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jul 2013

I couldn't go online last night after hearing the news because it made me literally sick to my stomach even though the verdict was not unexpected. (Please note the jury found him 'not guilty'; different from declaring someone innocent, even though I still don't see how they could've miscarried justice so.)

Someone has to see justice done through the courts, and the NAACP is just the organization to lead the charge. This matter's far from settled. Besides, not that I care a lot about Zimmy's safety or happiness after what he did, but he will last longer in isolation in a federal prison than he's likely to out of jail. One way or another, you know he's a marked man. The reason I'd rather see him locked up for life has nothing to do with mercy; quite the other way around. It's far worse to be locked away in a tiny cell forever. Otherwise why would some inmates eventually ask to be executed?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
11. This must be done
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

Zimmerman had already gotten a break before the trial started. Although the facts of the case clearly supported prosecution and conviction for first degree murder, he was charged with something less. If the prosecutors didn't think they could get a jury to convict Zimmerman of murder-1, that is already a sad commentary on Florida communities.

There was no reasonable doubt in this matter. Zimmerman, against instructions of the 911 dispatcher, left his car and pursued Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman clearly had a racial animus. His sole reason for believing that Trayvon was up to no good was that Trayvon was a young black man.

There is no excuse for this verdict and no excuse for any one defending it.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
14. It was a hate crime
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

Zimmerman just didn't use a rope to lynch Travon. You don't need a burning cross and a bed sheet to read the real intent.

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