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http://www.filmindustrynetwork.biz/7-reasons-why-george-zimmerman-will-never-be-free/20714-- He is a symbol of injustice in the eyes of millions and he will be constantly reminded of it
-- His actions will be remembered long after the debate dies down, meaning down the line, he could face challenges in employment and elsewhere
-- People will want to distance themselves from him because theres a risk of being associated with his actions
-- He will face isolation because he will have this huge weight on his shoulders, an angry nation on his back.
-- He will be a danger to others because communities and individuals outraged by him could spur violence against him in the future.
-- The fight for justice wont end there, and organizations, movements will challenge the courts rulings and his actions will be constantly reviewed.
He would have had a better chance of a normal life had he cooled his heels in prison for a few years.
Karma.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...or, to put it simply, people who make bad decisions (i.e. getting out of your car to confront someone after the police asked you NOT to do so) will suffer consequences for such awful decisions.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I want more than anything for him to pay for what he did, but there are a lot of folks who will embrace him.
Hell, he might even travel around to gun stores and shows where he will be paid for carving notches in sick gun owner's favorite toters, sign photos of Trayvon, and worse. Hell, he might post -- or continue posting -- here.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I am just so outraged that I am looking for a silver lining this morning.
hlthe2b
(102,281 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)When he gets old and feeble, some Republican -- or member of the KKK or Ayran Nation -- will be his care taker. Nurse Hannity.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I WILL CONCEDE..... he now has more justification for packing a pistol.
panzerfaust
(2,818 posts)And who will make him rich.
If Zimmerman had the right to "stand his ground" then why did not Trayvon?
Oh, that's right ...
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)EVERY time I saw him leave the house and walk around the neighborhood, I'd pick up my piece, shove it in my waistband, and start following him around wherever he goes. If I asks me why, I'm going to tell him 'because you can't be trusted to not commit a crime. I'm making sure you're not stalking your next victim. Gotta keep an eye on you.' That sort of thing.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I wish someone would show him what that feels like, to face that kind of hatred and violence.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Erose999
(5,624 posts)like he's a bad-ass when the bullets are only flying in one direction. He wasn't such a bad-ass when he got his draft notice.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I wouldn't bet on his survival. If nothing else, La Familia would get him.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)He'll make a living from speaker fees. Even if the fees are nothing more than privatized welfare. The NRA and gun industry won't want their "hero" to live in poverty.
Bad image means bad for business...
paleotn
(17,918 posts)...but from now on, he will ALWAYS be watching his back and rightly so. Ironically, NOW he has good reason for being a paranoid, little scardy man. Now the target is on him and not Martin. Given his existing paranoia, no amount of money or wing nut notoriety will assuage the fact that no matter where he goes or what he does, he can't stop the thought that someone may be there with intent to do him serious harm. And that's no paranoid delusion, either. Hell of a way to go through life. It's like being imprisoned without actually going to jail. To me, that's worse than any sentence he could have received.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and will imagine himself as the big shot he's wanted to be. The Right will offer him a Tate of sweet wingnut welfare, then discard him.
He'll still have to live the rest of his life as a symbol of the dying neocon federate hate machine, and he will do it alone.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I imagine he will be the darling of the NRA and other knuckle dragging inbreds.
He may need to move from Stanford, but there are plenty of areas that will welcome him
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Just something, anything, to make my heart hurt a little less. I take little comfort knowing that I must now have faith in something far beyond my conscious thoughts. I cannot begin to comprehend how the family and loved ones of Trayvon Martin are feeling.
A silver lining, yes.
My heart still hurts. Thank you.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)rather than from any internal sense of remorse or guilt.
All his privilege and entitlement will be altered by the effect of far more people NOT supporting him than he realizes once he steps out of his bubble.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)that those who didn't support him, did so quietly (like me). Now, we are about to get vocal thanks to the efforts of the NAACP in seeking justice federally.
He may have known that many people weren't in his gun-humping camp, but they are crawling out of the woodwork this morning to vocalize and decry it - politicians, athletes, musicians - Gorgie Pordgie's name is on a LOT of tweets and blogs this morning, and it isn't pretty.
Can you hear us now?
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)I remember a black man on facebook was targeted because his name was Casey Anthony. I shit you not.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)He doesn't feel any guilt or remorse, it was God's will and the verdict just bolstered that. In his eyes.
calimary
(81,269 posts)And he's been surrounded by reinforcement for that - look at how the police treated this case from the get-go. As nothing. As NO reason to hold him for questioning, NO reason to look at murder charges, manslaughter charges, assault-with-a-deadly-weapon charges, wrongful death charges, aggravated assault charges - NOTHING. He was only brought to "justice" (such as it's turned out to be, that is) after a huge coast-to-coast national outcry! Florida officials were dragged kicking and screaming to take him into custody and file charge against him. That was NOT the inclination from the get-go. Just think to yourself - what would have been their reaction had Trayvon Martin been the one with the gun, and Zimmerman were the one meeting that fate on the way back from the neighborhood store armed only with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea? How would the shooter have been treated in THAT case, if the shooter were black and the victim was white? And sadly, I think we all know the answer to that.
I'm watching MSNBC on this Sunday mid-morning on the West Coast and I just heard the male anchor tell his panel he thought there was a lot of white shame being felt today. As a white woman, I sure feel that way on this morning-after. I'm ashamed. I'm disgusted. I'm discouraged. I'm disheartened. I'm embarrassed. And I'm horrified.
What a disgrace. What a sorry state we're in, in this country. I can only hope that change comes from this, so that Trayvon didn't die in vain. It's flimsy as hell, that "hope." But at the moment it's all I've got.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I know people say that things have to get worse before they get better. I wonder how much worse, how long before the backlash against all of this: the bigotry, the double standards, the basic disregard for people deemed "other."
calimary
(81,269 posts)Well, crap. A LOT of things trouble me today. Hard to count how many! I do wonder how much worse it's gonna get before something's done. That was, if I remember correctly, Ralph Nader's reasoning for getting into it in the 2000 election - even confronting so much concern that he was only going to provide a spoiler for Al Gore's chances against george w. bush. That it would just facilitate worse-comes-to-worst, which would presumably motivate people.
Seems as though the jury's still out on that one. Because we DID have worse-come-to-worst as a result. And what's changed, or improved, really? What's REALLY changed or improved? Yes, we have our first black President. But, it seems, all that did was unleash the wrath of the sick and seedy underbelly of the worst in us. It led to the teabaggers rearing their collective ugly head and all that's come since. The whole CONservative bleat - "I want MY America BAAAAAAAAAAACK..." We all know what America that is, too.
People say this is the last frantic roar of the CONs and those who yearn for the days when blacks could widely be viewed as less than whole people, when women were muzzled and knew "their place" (barefoot and pregnant and relegated to the pink-collar ghetto ONLY), when Latinos were viewed as lesser people with lesser status. Well, if this is the last frantic roar of a dying mindset, it's sure taking a DAMN LONG TIME to pass into the dusty dreary obsolete Troglodyte yesteryear where it belongs. It's the strongest-surviving, most virulent, and most vigorous and defiant endangered species I've ever encountered.
As a woman, I can no longer count how many times I've heard from other women (remarking specifically on the choice issue) some version of "I CANNOT believe we're still fighting this." Or "I thought this was settled DECADES ago!" Or "this is the 21st Century forcryingoutloud!!!" I wonder how damn long we're gonna be mired in this, just in general. Before there's REAL change.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Personally, if I were him, I would be somewhere other than Florida as quickly as possible.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Legal precedent is set at the appeals court level. No other judge or jury is obligated to take Zimmerman's trial in to account in their trial conduct or deliberations.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The only thing that matters is what the people think. The people now know that in Florida, you can follow someone, shoot them and get away with it, as long as you have a few minor scrapes, say that you were scared and that your victim attacked you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)people can try - when they get their asses thrown in jail then they will quickly unlearn that particular lesson.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Please edit your post to remove the quote marks around >precedent that is legal< as it appears no where in my post. Quote marks indicate a a literal, intact quote to those that are literate.
Zimmerman didn't get his ass thrown in prison, why would anyone else expect different outcome if the scenario repeated itself?
hack89
(39,171 posts)each trial is unique - different evidence, different witnesses, different lawyers and different juries. Why would anyone expect the results to be the same?
truth2power
(8,219 posts)You're correct. It's not LEGAL precedent, but I suspect lots of vigilante-types will think it's ok to shoot someone they picked a fight with in the first place. That's what's sad.
hack89
(39,171 posts)once few of.them get their asses tossed in jail I suspect it will become less acceptable.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)hack89
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paleotn
(17,918 posts)this is the general population of Florida we're talking about.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I think there are plenty of.informed people in Florida.
paleotn
(17,918 posts)...explain Rick Scott and Marco Rubio? Butterfly ballets, grannies fighting over shopping carts at Publix, Allen West, Katherine Harris and now Zimmerman, are you kidding me? I'm sure FL has plenty of informed citizens, but the state attracts far more than its share of utter and complete morons. Seems they're the ones that travel most often, driving erratically, suddenly stopping in the middle of the road, asking the most asinine, idiotic questions. Thank God the first hint of fall chill sends them packing. I will say, they're fun to mess with, since they'll believe damn near anything we tell them.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it always comes back to bite me in the ass.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)n
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)to get peopled riled up.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)it gets all of us.
Spazito
(50,344 posts)unable to show his face anywhere without protest and I hope Mark O'Mara goes the way of Baez, relegated to appearing on a hokey show like After Dark on HLN instead of getting the fame and fortune he thinks he will get for taking on this high profile case.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)The prosecution had NO case there. When you don't even know how somebody died, how in the hell can you try somebody for capital murder?
Again, stop watching Nancy Grace and all of the other morons. They provide an alternate reality from what is going on.
Spazito
(50,344 posts)The charge of 1st degree murder was NOT the only charge the jury could consider, there were lesser included charges, the jury chose not to consider them at all. Oh, and I actually watched the trial itself, it was streamed. I will give you the respect you should have given me by assuming you, as well, actually watched the trial and didn't take your opinion from the pro-Anthony site and the pro-Anthony talking heads.
Here are the jury instructions given to the Anthony jury:
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/
otohara
(24,135 posts)Good to know...Clairvoyant too - how do you know who watches what?
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)His fees are now in the tens of millions of dollars. Expect that the next high profile rich person charged with a crime to enlist his services. Hell, he could probably get Lindsay Lohan out of her next five drunk driving incidents.
Spazito
(50,344 posts)and he ended up on the hokey show After Dark instead, no millions in fees for him. O'Mara is tied to Zimmerman and all that comes with it just as Baez has been tied to Anthony.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)O'Mara's phone will be ringing.
Spazito
(50,344 posts)they are smart enough not to hire a lawyer tied to Zimmerman, a case with race implications. They will run FAR away from someone like O'Mara.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)EVERYBODY knew GZ was guilty. O'Mara got him off. Banksters have duly taken note.
JI7
(89,250 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)do you level the charge of racism against all six women on that jury? Just because they believed the self defense claim?
And yes, O'Mara will take money from anybody who offers it.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)then he went back to his life - money, girlfriends, etc.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)n/t
burnodo
(2,017 posts)no equivalence
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)OJ might have stayed out of jail, but he still got slammed with a civil suit and lost piles of money for it.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Zimmerman has bad credit and a paypal account.
Somewhat different circumstances, don't you think?
But -- as OJ is cooling HIS heels in the brink for the next 30 years, its kinda moot.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)I dont think Zimmerman will suffer through any of the things listed above. People who wrote this probably thought he was going to be found guilty.
hope he doesn't, right?
burnodo
(2,017 posts)Im saying this article acts like Zimmerman will be suffering because of his acquittal and I seriously doubt that will happen
his demeanor during the entire trial, I think he is incapable of feeling for this child he murdered. Nope on that turn back time stupidity, the jury has spoken and this POS is free to walk the street again with his 9mm firmly ensconced by his testicles. I just hope something of feeling filters through that thick ape skull of his and causes him some grief. I doubt it though. Most cold blooded killers lack a conscience, he fits the bill.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)and zimmerman will follow in her footsteps.......zimmerman will NEVER be able to have the life back that he once had......he will always be looking over his shoulder...
burnodo
(2,017 posts)and he'll always be looking over his shoulder? Too fucking bad.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)What does this have to do with the question at hand? I just don't think Zimmy will suffer any of the things the article suggests.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I know actions have consequences.
I know murder will out.
I know that you reap what you sow.
I know that THAT is what karma is.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)My cynicism rules my outlook. karma just seems too,good to be true in most cases.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)niyad
(113,315 posts)my wish for everyone involved in this horrendous case is that they receive everything they deserve.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)these only matter if he cares about shit. Obviously, he doesnt see any of these issues in the same manner most of us do. fact is most people dont care. They may 'think' or 'feel' one way or another, but that doesnt affect this pukebag.
the only way he wont be 'free' - cause right now he is in fact free - is a civil suit.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)someone that when this is all said and done in Florida that the DOJ will probably file hate crime charges against Zimmerman.
Let's hope so, but don't hold your breath unless Zimmerman opens a marijuana dispensary.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)of whoever you heard say it.
Ultimately, President Obama will be held responsible for the DOJ either deciding to go with a civil rights action (NOT a "hate crime" violation, in court, it has already been decided that there was no crime) the way they did with the cops in the Rodney King case. Because of the memory of the OJ Simpson case, he will be seen as wrong by those who consider the matter settled if the DOJ does this.
Ask yourself, will a President who is weaker now than at any point in his presidency actually decide to spend political capital to do this? He certainly is immune from the charge that he is racist for failing to bring those charges, all it would be is a possible futile bone to throw to his base. It seems that the Martin family attorney is likely to file his civil suit, my guess is that the President could simply use that as an excuse for "well, this isn't over for Zimmerman, I really don't need to do anything right now."
Given what Barack Obama has been willing to toss his political opponents, I'd be very surprised if he let Holder do this.
azbillyboy
(56 posts)...If he doesn't have any assets to seize?
Personally, I dream about pudgy George walking somewhere, someday, probably at night. Someone calls his name. He turns around..... Justice is served.....
I don't recognize this country any more. At least the one that was drilled into my gullible adolescent mind many years ago....
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I hope NO ONE kills this piece of shit. I want him to live with the karma of the undying hate of millions for a long and natural life. Oh he'll be feted by the right wing and I expect to see him as a guest at the next national rethug political convention in '16'. Miight even get a job as a policeman in Sanford, now.. but nonetheless may this coward live in fear for the rest of a long and natural life.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)Look at his past record of violence and his obsession with strange people in his neighborhood. Something is not right in his head and I don't think he will be able to keep his obsessions under control
calimary
(81,269 posts)He's been given the proverbial gold star for what he did. It was found not to be criminal at all. He faces no consequences for this act - the jury, and the law too, verified that he did nothing wrong. So what do you suppose his takeaway is, as a result? The system just told him clearly, "hey, pal, NO PROBLEMO! Nothing to see here. No harm, no foul. You're free to go." Do you suppose he sees ANY reason or justification or motivation for amending his ways or maybe even just doing it differently the next time? He got a "get out of jail free" card. He feels vindicated, I'm sure. His family does. His actions were reinforced and, in effect, rewarded. Since he got the official certification that he did nothing wrong, what's to stop him from doing the same damn thing again?
If he went into this with "I have no regrets and if I had it to do all over again, I'd do the same thing" (which he indeed did), then - well, put it this way: what would YOU take away from this, with a mindset like that?
Warpy
(111,264 posts)even if we have to wait until his daddy, the judge, is no longer able to fix things with former colleagues.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)If he can surround himself with these fools he will avoid most of those issues.
DemoTex
(25,397 posts)That should be hell-on-earth for anyone not totally pathological.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Opinions of him are divided, but he's no pariah. There will always someone willing to have a beer with him or have him over for dinner, etc.
I don't feel that sorry for him.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)a good night's sleep again. I don't think that asshole has any conscience, but hopefully he's aware enough to realize a lot of people wish him harm, and that unsettles him and makes his life a living hell.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but I think he will live in an echo chamber of support made up of gun nuts, vigilantes and thinly veiled white supremacists.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)temporarily, but he'll end up being a pariah even in the unlikely event that he doesn't get in any more trouble.
WovenGems
(776 posts)Him and Casey Anthony can start dating since they have so much in common.
dusty trails
(174 posts)He might become a GOP candidate for political office.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Yeah, I think you do.
polly7
(20,582 posts)How do the rest of them survive in prison?
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)if they are as infamous as GZ, then they wouldn't survive.
Not a reason to acquit him, but had he been convicted, it would have cost the state extra dollars to keep him segregated. As he is partially Latino, I can't imagine the white supremacists skinhead prison gangs protecting him.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He'll be a Fox Noise contributor and write a book. The gun nuts and others will make him rich.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)victims of bigoted vigilantism.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He can brand a line of pistols, speak at NRA conventions, be a Nugent roadie, open his own gun range where the cutouts are all black teenagers, etc.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Aviation Pro
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...it will be forgotten within two news cycles, maybe three.
Vapid America just doesn't give a fuck.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)churned for "racism" which is really a stretch. The last thing GZ is is a WASP. He looks of mixed ancestry, possibly Latina and Black. But you know that's Al Sharptons meal ticket.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)However, it's somewhat silly IMHO to assert that GZ *isn't* racist against blacks just because he's a person of (some) color himself. He doesn't look at all black to me and he surely didn't grow up with people referring to him as 'black', even if there is some his family tree. I think he's racist against blacks myself. However, like you say, it was kinda 'churned' for racism in a way that's usually reserved for white-on-black violence.
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)a wrongful death case against him?
rrneck
(17,671 posts)what sort of meme will Zimmerman become? As for the man himself, he'll find a place somewhere. If he's smart, he'll take up his life and go about his business out of the public eye as much as possible. But if he tries to parlay his first seven and a half minutes of fame into a full measure of fifteen, he'll wish he had been locked up instead. He doesn't have the brains or balls to make that work. He'll make Joe the Plumber look like Churchill.
But the Zimmerman-the-coward-who-shot-a-kid will be remembered. The travesty of justice will be remembered. And there will be blowback from it. We can only hope that blowback will be constructive rather than destructive.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And his actions show that he certainly is not in the possession of a conscience. His next course of action will be to capitalize on his despicable deed but he will never, ever feel any kind of remorse, shame or ostracism because of it. Lacking a conscience, he's just not capable.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)It's also the lazy person's way of thinking justice will be done instead of actually working for it.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Then you wouldn't say that. It is not the Oprah Winfrey crap you probably mistakenly think it is. It doesn't mean "fate". That is a classic Western superficial understanding.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)and I'd stay there a good long time.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Both are liars and both were unjustly exonerated from the murders they committed. Maybe they should go into hiding together.
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)Had Zimmerman been arrested like normal soon after the murder of Trayvon Martin, even on just Manslaughter (which it sounds like one of the detectives thought there was a strong case for when first interviewing him) there wouldn't have been any media attention to the case.
That would mean that after yesterday's not guilty verdict he would have effectively been free from all but a possible civil suit from the family, which would have also gotten no publicity like the rest of the case.
But instead Stand Your Ground caused the cops to not arrest Zimmerman until the local protests got national media attention and outrage, and the resulting publicity has no ruined Zimmerman's life in all the ways you outlined.
tblue37
(65,371 posts)He will become the new Joe the Plumber, or Oliver North, or G. Gordon Liddy, or Sarah Palin.
He will be lionized by RW groups and paid lots of money to speak at their conferences.
He will be interviewed endlessly by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, and he will have a ghost-written book put out by Regnery that will be purchased in huge numbers by RW billionaires and given away as a freebie whenever someone signs up to a RW site or donates to a RW politician.
He will have to use a little bit of the huge amount of money he makes to hire private security, but what the hey. He will probably think it was all worth it, since he will now be the big man he always wanted to be, instead of a loser who had to have his daddy pay his rent because he couldn't hold down a real job.
Besides being a gross injustice, I feared acquittal in this case because I feel pretty sure that he will benefit tremendously from having stalked and murdered that poor kid.
I had hoped that being mothers would influence the jury, but apparently they could not imagine a teenaged black boy as a mother's son, but only as a terrifying, dangerous "thug."
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I see no suffering of any kind in store for these criminals.
None.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)no jail time for killing a black teen - they'll be done with him
FairyDust
(42 posts)I see many people feeling they can pick a fight now and just shot the person if they start losing.