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Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:56 AM Jul 2013

7 Reasons why George Zimmerman will never be free

http://www.filmindustrynetwork.biz/7-reasons-why-george-zimmerman-will-never-be-free/20714

-- National outrage about his acquittal will put pressure on him and his family
-- He is a symbol of injustice in the eyes of millions and he will be constantly reminded of it
-- His actions will be remembered long after the debate dies down, meaning down the line, he could face challenges in employment and elsewhere
-- People will want to distance themselves from him because there’s a risk of being associated with his actions
-- He will face isolation because he will have this huge weight on his shoulders, an angry nation on his back.
-- He will be a danger to others because communities and individuals outraged by him could spur violence against him in the future.
-- The fight for justice wont end there, and organizations, movements will challenge the court’s rulings and his actions will be constantly reviewed.


He would have had a better chance of a normal life had he cooled his heels in prison for a few years.

Karma.

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7 Reasons why George Zimmerman will never be free (Original Post) Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 OP
Bad Karma comes to those who sow it... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #1
Sadly, he will make speeches to bigots and NRA; live among bigots and gun nuts; appear on FOX, etc Hoyt Jul 2013 #2
I get that. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #3
Me too, Ruby... Me too. n/t hlthe2b Jul 2013 #7
Believe me, I get it. Hopefully, he'll have to live among the scum of the earth. Hoyt Jul 2013 #13
I hope he spends the rest of his life looking over his shoulder. Plucketeer Jul 2013 #37
Who are also rich panzerfaust Jul 2013 #73
Still not guilty? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #77
Thanks for posting that photoshop! n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #93
If I lived in that a-holes neighborhood ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #106
I heard that Ted Nugent thinks going to east LA and hunting people like 'hogs' is a good idea roguevalley Jul 2013 #10
Good point. Like Nugent, Zimmerman might end up on NRA board. Hoyt Jul 2013 #11
Peddo Teddo shit his pants at the very thought of that kind of violence. Its easy for him to talk Erose999 Jul 2013 #107
If Nugent ever actually tries that, IrishAyes Aug 2013 #116
"Sadly, he will make speeches to bigots and NRA..." KansDem Jul 2013 #18
Probably correct to a certain extent.... paleotn Jul 2013 #70
Dude is going to get his Fox victory lap... Orsino Jul 2013 #114
He had support on a "liberal" board like DU etherealtruth Jul 2013 #4
Ruby, I really needed this. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #5
Yes, it will be more about how his world is impacted CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #6
I honestly believe Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #14
I hate to be anybody with his name or who merely looks like him MadBadger Jul 2013 #8
Agree except with him "having a huge weight on his shoulders." truebluegreen Jul 2013 #9
Very true. He's never expressed remorse. He's maintained he did nothing wrong. calimary Jul 2013 #36
Amen. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #48
That's what troubles me. calimary Jul 2013 #74
8. He has set precedent that it is legal to follow someone and shoot them dead in Florida. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #12
individual trials do not set legal precedent hack89 Jul 2013 #17
You know damn well what I meant. I didn't say legal precident. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #23
"precedent that it is legal" - I can only read what you write hack89 Jul 2013 #24
Are you really that drunk on Sunday morning? Try reading what I wrote, in context. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #30
Go look at the title to your post - I copied directly from that hack89 Jul 2013 #47
Let's try this..."precedent that it's ACCEPTABLE"... truth2power Jul 2013 #57
We will see. There are plenty of stupid people in the world. hack89 Jul 2013 #60
It'll certainly be one of the main take-aways from the trial by layfolk, though. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #52
The ignorant ones perhaps. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #62
Are there any others? paleotn Jul 2013 #71
Considering Obama took Florida hack89 Jul 2013 #80
By that line of reasoning.... paleotn Jul 2013 #87
I am not into broadbrush stereotyping of groups and regions hack89 Jul 2013 #90
Florida has gotten a reputation for goofyness and weird politics. lumpy Jul 2013 #98
You mean the overwhelming majority in any legal case that makes the news? (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #86
Perhaps - can't ever underestismate the evil influence of Nancy Grace hack89 Jul 2013 #91
Instant Karma MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #15
I hope he goes the way of Casey Anthony... Spazito Jul 2013 #16
The Anthony verdict was correct. Stop watching HLN. duffyduff Jul 2013 #22
I disagree... Spazito Jul 2013 #28
Expert Among Us otohara Jul 2013 #115
Oh, you'll be seeing a lot more of Mark O'Mara customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #56
That's what Baez thought too... Spazito Jul 2013 #61
When rich banksters start getting indicted customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #66
Nope, rich banksters already have a shit load of problems with public's view of them... Spazito Jul 2013 #75
A year ago customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #97
racism got him off , and racists always supported him, does o'mara do white collar criminal cases ? JI7 Jul 2013 #103
On what basis customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #104
Everybody thought this would happen to OJ - it didn't. Here and there was a little uproar at first patricia92243 Jul 2013 #19
Didn't last long. He now has a permanent residence in an exclusive part of town in Lovelock, NV. duffyduff Jul 2013 #21
due to a completely different charge burnodo Jul 2013 #26
He might not have committed those crimes had he won the civil suit. Sirveri Jul 2013 #95
OJ was an uber wealthy actor and former football star Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #49
he was and still is considered a bad joke Skittles Jul 2013 #100
this is a bunch of crap burnodo Jul 2013 #20
you heaven05 Jul 2013 #31
i hope we can turn back time, make it murder 1, and put Zimmy in the hole the rest of his life burnodo Jul 2013 #34
given heaven05 Jul 2013 #43
tell that to someone like casey anthony... chillfactor Jul 2013 #81
he needs to be in prison burnodo Jul 2013 #82
You don't know shit about life. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #108
And you do? burnodo Jul 2013 #109
I know a bit. Bonobo Jul 2013 #110
Nice to see you believe in karma burnodo Jul 2013 #111
Belief has nothing to do with it. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #113
if any of that were to happen, I could only say "GOOD" niyad Jul 2013 #25
+1000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #32
wrong on all counts pasto76 Jul 2013 #27
I heard on one of the morning shows(can't remember which one) from(can't remember who) A Simple Game Jul 2013 #38
That was just wishful thinking on the part customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #65
What good is a civil suit... azbillyboy Jul 2013 #39
personally heaven05 Jul 2013 #29
He'll get in trouble again dem in texas Jul 2013 #33
Valid point, dem in texas. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he got in trouble again. calimary Jul 2013 #42
__He's a violent punk who will likely end up in prison anyway Warpy Jul 2013 #35
You forget that he's a hero to many on the right. Kablooie Jul 2013 #40
#1: Like Lt. William Calley, Zimmerman has to live with himself. DemoTex Jul 2013 #41
He has enough supporters, so he will always be able to find a job, I think. Quantess Jul 2013 #44
I hope he lives in fear for the rest of his life. May he never have a moment's peace or Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #45
I would like to believe that arely staircase Jul 2013 #46
There might be a flurry around him Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2013 #50
Maybe WovenGems Jul 2013 #51
Or .... dusty trails Jul 2013 #53
You know he wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell in prison, don't you? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #54
He'd have as much of a chance as any other child-killer, wouldn't he? polly7 Jul 2013 #55
As for them customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #58
I think he'll get speaking engagements from RW groups and write a book. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #59
I actually think he'll get rich off of this LittleBlue Jul 2013 #63
to be "Zimmermanned" will be used for all annabanana Jul 2013 #64
He'll get rich as a hero/celebrity for the gun nuts. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67
I fear Fuxx "news" will hire him as a commentator. nt LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #68
My prediction.... Aviation Pro Jul 2013 #69
The whole thing would not have been a blip in the news cycle if it was not xtraxritical Jul 2013 #94
You may be right AFA the news cycle goes brett_jv Jul 2013 #105
I've asked this before: what are the chances of (like the OJ case)... tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #72
I think the question is rrneck Jul 2013 #76
George zimmerman would have to have a conscience for any of that to bother him notadmblnd Jul 2013 #78
Karma is a piece of shit. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #79
If you understood it in its fullest meaning Bonobo Jul 2013 #112
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #83
I hope he never has a restful night until he atones for what he did. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #85
If I were him, I'd be headed to Peru GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #84
Zimmerman and Casey Anthony would make a good couple. RebelOne Jul 2013 #88
And Stand Your Ground ironically helped ruin his life ShadowLiberal Jul 2013 #89
Not likely. Here's my prediction: tblue37 Jul 2013 #92
That is my opinion, too. We thought we'd never hear from this scumbag again, yet: freshwest Jul 2013 #96
his gun nut coward supporters already got what they wanted Skittles Jul 2013 #99
Setting up for a bad future FairyDust Jul 2013 #101
plus his wife for richer and poorer. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #102
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. Bad Karma comes to those who sow it...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:59 AM
Jul 2013

...or, to put it simply, people who make bad decisions (i.e. getting out of your car to confront someone after the police asked you NOT to do so) will suffer consequences for such awful decisions.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Sadly, he will make speeches to bigots and NRA; live among bigots and gun nuts; appear on FOX, etc
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
Jul 2013

I want more than anything for him to pay for what he did, but there are a lot of folks who will embrace him.

Hell, he might even travel around to gun stores and shows where he will be paid for carving notches in sick gun owner's favorite toters, sign photos of Trayvon, and worse. Hell, he might post -- or continue posting -- here.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Believe me, I get it. Hopefully, he'll have to live among the scum of the earth.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jul 2013

When he gets old and feeble, some Republican -- or member of the KKK or Ayran Nation -- will be his care taker. Nurse Hannity.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
37. I hope he spends the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jul 2013

I WILL CONCEDE..... he now has more justification for packing a pistol.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
73. Who are also rich
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jul 2013

And who will make him rich.

If Zimmerman had the right to "stand his ground" then why did not Trayvon?

Oh, that's right ...

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
106. If I lived in that a-holes neighborhood ...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jul 2013

EVERY time I saw him leave the house and walk around the neighborhood, I'd pick up my piece, shove it in my waistband, and start following him around wherever he goes. If I asks me why, I'm going to tell him 'because you can't be trusted to not commit a crime. I'm making sure you're not stalking your next victim. Gotta keep an eye on you.' That sort of thing.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
10. I heard that Ted Nugent thinks going to east LA and hunting people like 'hogs' is a good idea
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jul 2013

I wish someone would show him what that feels like, to face that kind of hatred and violence.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
107. Peddo Teddo shit his pants at the very thought of that kind of violence. Its easy for him to talk
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

like he's a bad-ass when the bullets are only flying in one direction. He wasn't such a bad-ass when he got his draft notice.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
116. If Nugent ever actually tries that,
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 06:53 PM
Aug 2013

I wouldn't bet on his survival. If nothing else, La Familia would get him.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
18. "Sadly, he will make speeches to bigots and NRA..."
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

He'll make a living from speaker fees. Even if the fees are nothing more than privatized welfare. The NRA and gun industry won't want their "hero" to live in poverty.

Bad image means bad for business...

paleotn

(17,918 posts)
70. Probably correct to a certain extent....
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

...but from now on, he will ALWAYS be watching his back and rightly so. Ironically, NOW he has good reason for being a paranoid, little scardy man. Now the target is on him and not Martin. Given his existing paranoia, no amount of money or wing nut notoriety will assuage the fact that no matter where he goes or what he does, he can't stop the thought that someone may be there with intent to do him serious harm. And that's no paranoid delusion, either. Hell of a way to go through life. It's like being imprisoned without actually going to jail. To me, that's worse than any sentence he could have received.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
114. Dude is going to get his Fox victory lap...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

...and will imagine himself as the big shot he's wanted to be. The Right will offer him a Tate of sweet wingnut welfare, then discard him.

He'll still have to live the rest of his life as a symbol of the dying neocon federate hate machine, and he will do it alone.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. He had support on a "liberal" board like DU
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jul 2013

I imagine he will be the darling of the NRA and other knuckle dragging inbreds.

He may need to move from Stanford, but there are plenty of areas that will welcome him

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
5. Ruby, I really needed this.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

Just something, anything, to make my heart hurt a little less. I take little comfort knowing that I must now have faith in something far beyond my conscious thoughts. I cannot begin to comprehend how the family and loved ones of Trayvon Martin are feeling.

A silver lining, yes.

My heart still hurts. Thank you.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
6. Yes, it will be more about how his world is impacted
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jul 2013

rather than from any internal sense of remorse or guilt.

All his privilege and entitlement will be altered by the effect of far more people NOT supporting him than he realizes once he steps out of his bubble.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
14. I honestly believe
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jul 2013

that those who didn't support him, did so quietly (like me). Now, we are about to get vocal thanks to the efforts of the NAACP in seeking justice federally.

He may have known that many people weren't in his gun-humping camp, but they are crawling out of the woodwork this morning to vocalize and decry it - politicians, athletes, musicians - Gorgie Pordgie's name is on a LOT of tweets and blogs this morning, and it isn't pretty.

Can you hear us now?

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
8. I hate to be anybody with his name or who merely looks like him
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jul 2013

I remember a black man on facebook was targeted because his name was Casey Anthony. I shit you not.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
9. Agree except with him "having a huge weight on his shoulders."
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jul 2013

He doesn't feel any guilt or remorse, it was God's will and the verdict just bolstered that. In his eyes.

calimary

(81,269 posts)
36. Very true. He's never expressed remorse. He's maintained he did nothing wrong.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jul 2013

And he's been surrounded by reinforcement for that - look at how the police treated this case from the get-go. As nothing. As NO reason to hold him for questioning, NO reason to look at murder charges, manslaughter charges, assault-with-a-deadly-weapon charges, wrongful death charges, aggravated assault charges - NOTHING. He was only brought to "justice" (such as it's turned out to be, that is) after a huge coast-to-coast national outcry! Florida officials were dragged kicking and screaming to take him into custody and file charge against him. That was NOT the inclination from the get-go. Just think to yourself - what would have been their reaction had Trayvon Martin been the one with the gun, and Zimmerman were the one meeting that fate on the way back from the neighborhood store armed only with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea? How would the shooter have been treated in THAT case, if the shooter were black and the victim was white? And sadly, I think we all know the answer to that.

I'm watching MSNBC on this Sunday mid-morning on the West Coast and I just heard the male anchor tell his panel he thought there was a lot of white shame being felt today. As a white woman, I sure feel that way on this morning-after. I'm ashamed. I'm disgusted. I'm discouraged. I'm disheartened. I'm embarrassed. And I'm horrified.

What a disgrace. What a sorry state we're in, in this country. I can only hope that change comes from this, so that Trayvon didn't die in vain. It's flimsy as hell, that "hope." But at the moment it's all I've got.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
48. Amen.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jul 2013

I know people say that things have to get worse before they get better. I wonder how much worse, how long before the backlash against all of this: the bigotry, the double standards, the basic disregard for people deemed "other."

calimary

(81,269 posts)
74. That's what troubles me.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jul 2013

Well, crap. A LOT of things trouble me today. Hard to count how many! I do wonder how much worse it's gonna get before something's done. That was, if I remember correctly, Ralph Nader's reasoning for getting into it in the 2000 election - even confronting so much concern that he was only going to provide a spoiler for Al Gore's chances against george w. bush. That it would just facilitate worse-comes-to-worst, which would presumably motivate people.

Seems as though the jury's still out on that one. Because we DID have worse-come-to-worst as a result. And what's changed, or improved, really? What's REALLY changed or improved? Yes, we have our first black President. But, it seems, all that did was unleash the wrath of the sick and seedy underbelly of the worst in us. It led to the teabaggers rearing their collective ugly head and all that's come since. The whole CONservative bleat - "I want MY America BAAAAAAAAAAACK..." We all know what America that is, too.

People say this is the last frantic roar of the CONs and those who yearn for the days when blacks could widely be viewed as less than whole people, when women were muzzled and knew "their place" (barefoot and pregnant and relegated to the pink-collar ghetto ONLY), when Latinos were viewed as lesser people with lesser status. Well, if this is the last frantic roar of a dying mindset, it's sure taking a DAMN LONG TIME to pass into the dusty dreary obsolete Troglodyte yesteryear where it belongs. It's the strongest-surviving, most virulent, and most vigorous and defiant endangered species I've ever encountered.

As a woman, I can no longer count how many times I've heard from other women (remarking specifically on the choice issue) some version of "I CANNOT believe we're still fighting this." Or "I thought this was settled DECADES ago!" Or "this is the 21st Century forcryingoutloud!!!" I wonder how damn long we're gonna be mired in this, just in general. Before there's REAL change.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
12. 8. He has set precedent that it is legal to follow someone and shoot them dead in Florida.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jul 2013

Personally, if I were him, I would be somewhere other than Florida as quickly as possible.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. individual trials do not set legal precedent
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

Legal precedent is set at the appeals court level. No other judge or jury is obligated to take Zimmerman's trial in to account in their trial conduct or deliberations.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
23. You know damn well what I meant. I didn't say legal precident.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jul 2013

The only thing that matters is what the people think. The people now know that in Florida, you can follow someone, shoot them and get away with it, as long as you have a few minor scrapes, say that you were scared and that your victim attacked you.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. "precedent that it is legal" - I can only read what you write
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jul 2013

people can try - when they get their asses thrown in jail then they will quickly unlearn that particular lesson.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
30. Are you really that drunk on Sunday morning? Try reading what I wrote, in context.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jul 2013

Please edit your post to remove the quote marks around >precedent that is legal< as it appears no where in my post. Quote marks indicate a a literal, intact quote to those that are literate.

Zimmerman didn't get his ass thrown in prison, why would anyone else expect different outcome if the scenario repeated itself?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
47. Go look at the title to your post - I copied directly from that
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jul 2013

each trial is unique - different evidence, different witnesses, different lawyers and different juries. Why would anyone expect the results to be the same?

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
57. Let's try this..."precedent that it's ACCEPTABLE"...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

You're correct. It's not LEGAL precedent, but I suspect lots of vigilante-types will think it's ok to shoot someone they picked a fight with in the first place. That's what's sad.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
60. We will see. There are plenty of stupid people in the world.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jul 2013

once few of.them get their asses tossed in jail I suspect it will become less acceptable.

paleotn

(17,918 posts)
87. By that line of reasoning....
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jul 2013

...explain Rick Scott and Marco Rubio? Butterfly ballets, grannies fighting over shopping carts at Publix, Allen West, Katherine Harris and now Zimmerman, are you kidding me? I'm sure FL has plenty of informed citizens, but the state attracts far more than its share of utter and complete morons. Seems they're the ones that travel most often, driving erratically, suddenly stopping in the middle of the road, asking the most asinine, idiotic questions. Thank God the first hint of fall chill sends them packing. I will say, they're fun to mess with, since they'll believe damn near anything we tell them.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
90. I am not into broadbrush stereotyping of groups and regions
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jul 2013

it always comes back to bite me in the ass.

Spazito

(50,344 posts)
16. I hope he goes the way of Casey Anthony...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jul 2013

unable to show his face anywhere without protest and I hope Mark O'Mara goes the way of Baez, relegated to appearing on a hokey show like After Dark on HLN instead of getting the fame and fortune he thinks he will get for taking on this high profile case.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
22. The Anthony verdict was correct. Stop watching HLN.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

The prosecution had NO case there. When you don't even know how somebody died, how in the hell can you try somebody for capital murder?

Again, stop watching Nancy Grace and all of the other morons. They provide an alternate reality from what is going on.

Spazito

(50,344 posts)
28. I disagree...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:19 PM
Jul 2013

The charge of 1st degree murder was NOT the only charge the jury could consider, there were lesser included charges, the jury chose not to consider them at all. Oh, and I actually watched the trial itself, it was streamed. I will give you the respect you should have given me by assuming you, as well, actually watched the trial and didn't take your opinion from the pro-Anthony site and the pro-Anthony talking heads.

Here are the jury instructions given to the Anthony jury:

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
56. Oh, you'll be seeing a lot more of Mark O'Mara
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jul 2013

His fees are now in the tens of millions of dollars. Expect that the next high profile rich person charged with a crime to enlist his services. Hell, he could probably get Lindsay Lohan out of her next five drunk driving incidents.

Spazito

(50,344 posts)
61. That's what Baez thought too...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jul 2013

and he ended up on the hokey show After Dark instead, no millions in fees for him. O'Mara is tied to Zimmerman and all that comes with it just as Baez has been tied to Anthony.

Spazito

(50,344 posts)
75. Nope, rich banksters already have a shit load of problems with public's view of them...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013

they are smart enough not to hire a lawyer tied to Zimmerman, a case with race implications. They will run FAR away from someone like O'Mara.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
104. On what basis
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:10 AM
Jul 2013

do you level the charge of racism against all six women on that jury? Just because they believed the self defense claim?

And yes, O'Mara will take money from anybody who offers it.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
19. Everybody thought this would happen to OJ - it didn't. Here and there was a little uproar at first
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jul 2013

then he went back to his life - money, girlfriends, etc.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
21. Didn't last long. He now has a permanent residence in an exclusive part of town in Lovelock, NV.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jul 2013

n/t

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
95. He might not have committed those crimes had he won the civil suit.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jul 2013

OJ might have stayed out of jail, but he still got slammed with a civil suit and lost piles of money for it.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
49. OJ was an uber wealthy actor and former football star
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jul 2013

Zimmerman has bad credit and a paypal account.

Somewhat different circumstances, don't you think?

But -- as OJ is cooling HIS heels in the brink for the next 30 years, its kinda moot.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
20. this is a bunch of crap
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jul 2013

I dont think Zimmerman will suffer through any of the things listed above. People who wrote this probably thought he was going to be found guilty.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
34. i hope we can turn back time, make it murder 1, and put Zimmy in the hole the rest of his life
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jul 2013

Im saying this article acts like Zimmerman will be suffering because of his acquittal and I seriously doubt that will happen

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
43. given
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jul 2013

his demeanor during the entire trial, I think he is incapable of feeling for this child he murdered. Nope on that turn back time stupidity, the jury has spoken and this POS is free to walk the street again with his 9mm firmly ensconced by his testicles. I just hope something of feeling filters through that thick ape skull of his and causes him some grief. I doubt it though. Most cold blooded killers lack a conscience, he fits the bill.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
81. tell that to someone like casey anthony...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jul 2013

and zimmerman will follow in her footsteps.......zimmerman will NEVER be able to have the life back that he once had......he will always be looking over his shoulder...

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
109. And you do?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

What does this have to do with the question at hand? I just don't think Zimmy will suffer any of the things the article suggests.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
110. I know a bit.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jul 2013

I know actions have consequences.

I know murder will out.

I know that you reap what you sow.

I know that THAT is what karma is.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
111. Nice to see you believe in karma
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jul 2013

My cynicism rules my outlook. karma just seems too,good to be true in most cases.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
25. if any of that were to happen, I could only say "GOOD"
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jul 2013

my wish for everyone involved in this horrendous case is that they receive everything they deserve.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
27. wrong on all counts
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

these only matter if he cares about shit. Obviously, he doesnt see any of these issues in the same manner most of us do. fact is most people dont care. They may 'think' or 'feel' one way or another, but that doesnt affect this pukebag.

the only way he wont be 'free' - cause right now he is in fact free - is a civil suit.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
38. I heard on one of the morning shows(can't remember which one) from(can't remember who)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jul 2013

someone that when this is all said and done in Florida that the DOJ will probably file hate crime charges against Zimmerman.

Let's hope so, but don't hold your breath unless Zimmerman opens a marijuana dispensary.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
65. That was just wishful thinking on the part
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jul 2013

of whoever you heard say it.

Ultimately, President Obama will be held responsible for the DOJ either deciding to go with a civil rights action (NOT a "hate crime" violation, in court, it has already been decided that there was no crime) the way they did with the cops in the Rodney King case. Because of the memory of the OJ Simpson case, he will be seen as wrong by those who consider the matter settled if the DOJ does this.

Ask yourself, will a President who is weaker now than at any point in his presidency actually decide to spend political capital to do this? He certainly is immune from the charge that he is racist for failing to bring those charges, all it would be is a possible futile bone to throw to his base. It seems that the Martin family attorney is likely to file his civil suit, my guess is that the President could simply use that as an excuse for "well, this isn't over for Zimmerman, I really don't need to do anything right now."

Given what Barack Obama has been willing to toss his political opponents, I'd be very surprised if he let Holder do this.

azbillyboy

(56 posts)
39. What good is a civil suit...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

...If he doesn't have any assets to seize?

Personally, I dream about pudgy George walking somewhere, someday, probably at night. Someone calls his name. He turns around..... Justice is served.....

I don't recognize this country any more. At least the one that was drilled into my gullible adolescent mind many years ago....

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
29. personally
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jul 2013

I hope NO ONE kills this piece of shit. I want him to live with the karma of the undying hate of millions for a long and natural life. Oh he'll be feted by the right wing and I expect to see him as a guest at the next national rethug political convention in '16'. Miight even get a job as a policeman in Sanford, now.. but nonetheless may this coward live in fear for the rest of a long and natural life.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
33. He'll get in trouble again
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jul 2013

Look at his past record of violence and his obsession with strange people in his neighborhood. Something is not right in his head and I don't think he will be able to keep his obsessions under control

calimary

(81,269 posts)
42. Valid point, dem in texas. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he got in trouble again.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jul 2013

He's been given the proverbial gold star for what he did. It was found not to be criminal at all. He faces no consequences for this act - the jury, and the law too, verified that he did nothing wrong. So what do you suppose his takeaway is, as a result? The system just told him clearly, "hey, pal, NO PROBLEMO! Nothing to see here. No harm, no foul. You're free to go." Do you suppose he sees ANY reason or justification or motivation for amending his ways or maybe even just doing it differently the next time? He got a "get out of jail free" card. He feels vindicated, I'm sure. His family does. His actions were reinforced and, in effect, rewarded. Since he got the official certification that he did nothing wrong, what's to stop him from doing the same damn thing again?

If he went into this with "I have no regrets and if I had it to do all over again, I'd do the same thing" (which he indeed did), then - well, put it this way: what would YOU take away from this, with a mindset like that?

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
35. __He's a violent punk who will likely end up in prison anyway
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jul 2013

even if we have to wait until his daddy, the judge, is no longer able to fix things with former colleagues.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
40. You forget that he's a hero to many on the right.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

If he can surround himself with these fools he will avoid most of those issues.

DemoTex

(25,397 posts)
41. #1: Like Lt. William Calley, Zimmerman has to live with himself.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jul 2013

That should be hell-on-earth for anyone not totally pathological.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
44. He has enough supporters, so he will always be able to find a job, I think.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

Opinions of him are divided, but he's no pariah. There will always someone willing to have a beer with him or have him over for dinner, etc.

I don't feel that sorry for him.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
45. I hope he lives in fear for the rest of his life. May he never have a moment's peace or
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

a good night's sleep again. I don't think that asshole has any conscience, but hopefully he's aware enough to realize a lot of people wish him harm, and that unsettles him and makes his life a living hell.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
46. I would like to believe that
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jul 2013

but I think he will live in an echo chamber of support made up of gun nuts, vigilantes and thinly veiled white supremacists.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
50. There might be a flurry around him
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

temporarily, but he'll end up being a pariah even in the unlikely event that he doesn't get in any more trouble.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
55. He'd have as much of a chance as any other child-killer, wouldn't he?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jul 2013

How do the rest of them survive in prison?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
58. As for them
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jul 2013

if they are as infamous as GZ, then they wouldn't survive.

Not a reason to acquit him, but had he been convicted, it would have cost the state extra dollars to keep him segregated. As he is partially Latino, I can't imagine the white supremacists skinhead prison gangs protecting him.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
63. I actually think he'll get rich off of this
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

He'll be a Fox Noise contributor and write a book. The gun nuts and others will make him rich.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
67. He'll get rich as a hero/celebrity for the gun nuts.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jul 2013

He can brand a line of pistols, speak at NRA conventions, be a Nugent roadie, open his own gun range where the cutouts are all black teenagers, etc.

Aviation Pro

(12,169 posts)
69. My prediction....
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:31 AM - Edit history (1)

...it will be forgotten within two news cycles, maybe three.

Vapid America just doesn't give a fuck.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
94. The whole thing would not have been a blip in the news cycle if it was not
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jul 2013

churned for "racism" which is really a stretch. The last thing GZ is is a WASP. He looks of mixed ancestry, possibly Latina and Black. But you know that's Al Sharptons meal ticket.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
105. You may be right AFA the news cycle goes
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jul 2013

However, it's somewhat silly IMHO to assert that GZ *isn't* racist against blacks just because he's a person of (some) color himself. He doesn't look at all black to me and he surely didn't grow up with people referring to him as 'black', even if there is some his family tree. I think he's racist against blacks myself. However, like you say, it was kinda 'churned' for racism in a way that's usually reserved for white-on-black violence.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
76. I think the question is
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jul 2013

what sort of meme will Zimmerman become? As for the man himself, he'll find a place somewhere. If he's smart, he'll take up his life and go about his business out of the public eye as much as possible. But if he tries to parlay his first seven and a half minutes of fame into a full measure of fifteen, he'll wish he had been locked up instead. He doesn't have the brains or balls to make that work. He'll make Joe the Plumber look like Churchill.

But the Zimmerman-the-coward-who-shot-a-kid will be remembered. The travesty of justice will be remembered. And there will be blowback from it. We can only hope that blowback will be constructive rather than destructive.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
78. George zimmerman would have to have a conscience for any of that to bother him
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jul 2013

And his actions show that he certainly is not in the possession of a conscience. His next course of action will be to capitalize on his despicable deed but he will never, ever feel any kind of remorse, shame or ostracism because of it. Lacking a conscience, he's just not capable.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
79. Karma is a piece of shit.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

It's also the lazy person's way of thinking justice will be done instead of actually working for it.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
112. If you understood it in its fullest meaning
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jul 2013

Then you wouldn't say that. It is not the Oprah Winfrey crap you probably mistakenly think it is. It doesn't mean "fate". That is a classic Western superficial understanding.

Response to Ruby the Liberal (Original post)

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
88. Zimmerman and Casey Anthony would make a good couple.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

Both are liars and both were unjustly exonerated from the murders they committed. Maybe they should go into hiding together.

ShadowLiberal

(2,237 posts)
89. And Stand Your Ground ironically helped ruin his life
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:55 PM
Jul 2013

Had Zimmerman been arrested like normal soon after the murder of Trayvon Martin, even on just Manslaughter (which it sounds like one of the detectives thought there was a strong case for when first interviewing him) there wouldn't have been any media attention to the case.

That would mean that after yesterday's not guilty verdict he would have effectively been free from all but a possible civil suit from the family, which would have also gotten no publicity like the rest of the case.

But instead Stand Your Ground caused the cops to not arrest Zimmerman until the local protests got national media attention and outrage, and the resulting publicity has no ruined Zimmerman's life in all the ways you outlined.

tblue37

(65,371 posts)
92. Not likely. Here's my prediction:
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jul 2013

He will become the new Joe the Plumber, or Oliver North, or G. Gordon Liddy, or Sarah Palin.

He will be lionized by RW groups and paid lots of money to speak at their conferences.

He will be interviewed endlessly by the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, and he will have a ghost-written book put out by Regnery that will be purchased in huge numbers by RW billionaires and given away as a freebie whenever someone signs up to a RW site or donates to a RW politician.

He will have to use a little bit of the huge amount of money he makes to hire private security, but what the hey. He will probably think it was all worth it, since he will now be the big man he always wanted to be, instead of a loser who had to have his daddy pay his rent because he couldn't hold down a real job.

Besides being a gross injustice, I feared acquittal in this case because I feel pretty sure that he will benefit tremendously from having stalked and murdered that poor kid.

I had hoped that being mothers would influence the jury, but apparently they could not imagine a teenaged black boy as a mother's son, but only as a terrifying, dangerous "thug."

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
96. That is my opinion, too. We thought we'd never hear from this scumbag again, yet:
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101668550

I see no suffering of any kind in store for these criminals.

None.


Skittles

(153,160 posts)
99. his gun nut coward supporters already got what they wanted
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:39 AM
Jul 2013

no jail time for killing a black teen - they'll be done with him

FairyDust

(42 posts)
101. Setting up for a bad future
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:30 AM
Jul 2013

I see many people feeling they can pick a fight now and just shot the person if they start losing.

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