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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsZimmerman's Not Guilty. But Florida Sure Is.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_acquittal_blame_florida_for_trayvon_martin_s_death.htmlAll of this focus on the moment of the shooting telescopes this story in a way that feels misleading. It leaves out Zimmermans history of calling the cops on black people and his decision that night to follow Martin. It leaves out his excruciatingly terrible, patently racist judgment.
But that doesnt mean the jurys verdict was racist. In Florida, a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked has no duty to retreat. He or she has the right to meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. The jury could have faulted Zimmerman for starting the altercation with Martin and still believed him not guilty of murder, or even of manslaughter, which in Florida is a killing that has no legal justification. If the jury believed that once the physical fight began, Zimmerman reasonably feared he would suffer a grave bodily injury, then he gets off for self-defense.
Maybe that is the wrong rule. Maybe people like George Zimmerman should be held responsible for provoking the fight that they then fear theyll lose. And maybe cuts to the back of the head and a bloody nose arent enough to show reasonable fear of grave bodily harm. After all, as Adam Weinstein points out, the lesson right now for Floridians is this: in any altercation, however minor, the easiest way to avoid criminal liability is to kill the counterparty. But you can see the box the jurors might have felt they were in. Even if they didnt like George Zimmermaneven if they believed only part of what he told the policethey didnt have a charge under Florida law that was a clear fit for what he did that night.
But that doesnt mean the jurys verdict was racist. In Florida, a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked has no duty to retreat. He or she has the right to meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. The jury could have faulted Zimmerman for starting the altercation with Martin and still believed him not guilty of murder, or even of manslaughter, which in Florida is a killing that has no legal justification. If the jury believed that once the physical fight began, Zimmerman reasonably feared he would suffer a grave bodily injury, then he gets off for self-defense.
Maybe that is the wrong rule. Maybe people like George Zimmerman should be held responsible for provoking the fight that they then fear theyll lose. And maybe cuts to the back of the head and a bloody nose arent enough to show reasonable fear of grave bodily harm. After all, as Adam Weinstein points out, the lesson right now for Floridians is this: in any altercation, however minor, the easiest way to avoid criminal liability is to kill the counterparty. But you can see the box the jurors might have felt they were in. Even if they didnt like George Zimmermaneven if they believed only part of what he told the policethey didnt have a charge under Florida law that was a clear fit for what he did that night.
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Zimmerman's Not Guilty. But Florida Sure Is. (Original Post)
Shrek
Jul 2013
OP
Florida issued hunting licenses on humans. they have a burden to bear and a duty to fix
roguevalley
Jul 2013
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Shrek
(3,980 posts)1. Similar analysis from The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/law-and-justice-and-george-zimmerman/277772/
Of course the deadly meeting last year between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had at its core a racial element. Of course its tragic result reminds us that the nation, in ways too many of our leaders refuse to acknowledge, is still riven by race. The story of Martin and Zimmerman is the story of crime and punishment in America, and of racial disparities in capital sentencing, and in marijuana prosecutions, and in countless other things. But it wasn't Judge Debra Nelson's job to conduct a seminar on race relations in 2013. It wasn't her job to help America bridge its racial divide. It was her job to give Zimmerman a fair trial. And she did.
So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch" . It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers.
What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime. But this curious result says as much about Florida's judicial and legislative sensibilities as it does about Zimmerman's conduct that night. This verdict would not have occurred in every state. It might not even have occurred in any other state. But it occurred here, a tragic confluence that leaves a young man's untimely death unrequited under state law. Don't like it? Lobby to change Florida's laws.
So the murder trial of George Zimmerman did not allow jurors to deliberate over the fairness of Florida's outlandishly broad self-defense laws. It did not allow them debate the virtues of the state's liberal gun laws or its evident tolerance for vigilantes (which we now politely call "neighborhood watch" . It did not permit them to delve into the racial profiling that Zimmerman may have engaged in or into the misconduct and mischief that Martin may have engaged in long before he took that fatal trip to the store for candy. These factors, these elements, part of the more complete picture of this tragedy, were off-limits to the ultimate decision-makers.
What the verdict says, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, is that you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime. But this curious result says as much about Florida's judicial and legislative sensibilities as it does about Zimmerman's conduct that night. This verdict would not have occurred in every state. It might not even have occurred in any other state. But it occurred here, a tragic confluence that leaves a young man's untimely death unrequited under state law. Don't like it? Lobby to change Florida's laws.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)2. Justice be damned.
Hosanna. Praise the law.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)3. Florida issued hunting licenses on humans. they have a burden to bear and a duty to fix
this. I can imagine tourism is going to go down the drain again by people worried about getting murdered by idiots.