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These 6 white woman lived in Sanford. I suspect social pressure to acquit. (Original Post) johnnyrocket Jul 2013 OP
I disagree. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #1
Agreed.... Pelican Jul 2013 #2
I suspect the defense made enough gray area bluedeathray Jul 2013 #3
It wasn't "6 white women". Please try to get your facts right. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #4
??? handmade34 Jul 2013 #5
"UPDATE: After a report on the trial proceedings, Williams issued a brief correction, clarifying..." Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #10
my understanding is handmade34 Jul 2013 #12
I think it was 6 white women. One was Hispanic. Egalitariat Jul 2013 #6
most Hispanics are White n/t handmade34 Jul 2013 #11
None of them lived in Sanford Egalitariat Jul 2013 #7
these 6 women blew it quinnox Jul 2013 #8
Sexist bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jul 2013 #13
Why didn't they see Trayvon in the same way? femmocrat Jul 2013 #18
maybe they fell for the defense ploy of seeing him as a "scary black man", a hood and thug quinnox Jul 2013 #20
Oh jeez, the stuff I read on here sometimes. Mind-boggling. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #22
I'm a woman Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #24
Well, it's nice to hear that women are flighty and emotional fools. dairydog91 Jul 2013 #25
Women YarnAddict Jul 2013 #27
Well, shit. I just googled who's more likely to convict, men or women. noamnety Jul 2013 #28
A High Burden Of Proof... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #14
I actually wonder if they were lazy in the long run. avebury Jul 2013 #15
I think that was a ploy to get the media thinking a verdict wouldn't happen... bettyellen Jul 2013 #16
I hope that they have the opportunity to have Zimmerman as their close and personal Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #17
You just can't accept that the jurors based their verdict on the evidence? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #19
"Reason to believe" rucky Jul 2013 #21
I'm not sure I would've arrived at that same conclusion. But there you go. That's the system. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #26
Six Paula Deens, making a jury straight out of To Kill A Mockingbird. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #23
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
1. I disagree.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:12 AM
Jul 2013

I would have to assume there is more social pressure to find him guilty.

Either way, they looked at the facts, and came to a desicion, and bitching about it isn't going to change a thing.

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
3. I suspect the defense made enough gray area
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jul 2013

To convince those ladies that there was "reasonable doubt". Between that, and the vague manner in which the law was written, gray area does in fact exist.

Even though it's obvious that Zimmerman hunted that kid down.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. "UPDATE: After a report on the trial proceedings, Williams issued a brief correction, clarifying..."
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:23 AM
Jul 2013
The jury is indeed all female, but five of the jurors are white. One of them, labeled on NBCNews.com as Juror B-29, is referred to as “either black or Hispanic.”

UPDATE: After a report on the trial proceedings, Williams issued a brief correction, clarifying that it’s a “jury of six, five of them white.”


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbcs-brian-williams-incorrectly-claims-george-zimmerman-jury-is-all-white/

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
12. my understanding is
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:26 AM
Jul 2013

one women is Hispanic... but still white... white is race, Hispanic is ethnicity

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
8. these 6 women blew it
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:20 AM
Jul 2013

let's face it, a mostly male jury would have sent Zimmy to prison. Maybe these women were charmed by Zimmy, and thought he was a "nice boy", or he reminded them of their sons. Men would likely have seen through that, put the hammer down, and sent this creep to prison.

Response to quinnox (Reply #8)

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
18. Why didn't they see Trayvon in the same way?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jul 2013

He was so much younger and more vulnerable. I didn't find anything about Zimmy "charming". He is just plain creepy IMO. His mother wasn't even a sympathetic figure.

And I disagree that (white) men would have convicted him. If anything, they would have identified with gun-slinger George. I don't know about black men, but think their perspectives would be far different. But then, how likely was it that a black man would serve on THAT jury?

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
20. maybe they fell for the defense ploy of seeing him as a "scary black man", a hood and thug
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jul 2013

and also along with that image, maybe they brought their own prejudices to the table.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
24. I'm a woman
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013

and I've gotta tell you, Zimmerman ain't charming. Not by a long shot.

The dead Martin boy, on the other hand, was a beautiful kid.

I would have expected a harsher judgment from a jury with women than of men, to be honest. Not based on looks, but based on the way women react to dead kids, being followed at night and shootings.

Men would have been more likely to concentrate on whatever happened during the tussle. Women would be more likely to think of the broader picture.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
25. Well, it's nice to hear that women are flighty and emotional fools.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

Clearly, what we needed were 6 strong, rational men rather than all those silly women.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
27. Women
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jul 2013

are just as smart, rational, and reasonable as men. They took their duties seriously, and came up with the verdict they thought the law required. If you think women are incapable of making a smart, and reasoned decision, then I think I hear the 1950's calling you.

Do you also believe women shouldn't be able to vote????

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
28. Well, shit. I just googled who's more likely to convict, men or women.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

And what I got was a bunch of links to a study saying male jurors are more likely to find women guilty if they are overweight.

WTF.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
14. A High Burden Of Proof...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jul 2013

...and a poor job by the prosecution allowed Zimmerman to walk. The defense was able to turn the trial and make it about Martin and thus create the "reasonable doubt" that the jurors agreed with. The bar was high to start out with and the prosecution did a poor job in bringing the case and then in letting the defense "out lawyer" them. The fact these women were selected as jurors can also be placed at the prosecution's feet as they were the ones who agreed to empaneling them.

As a juror, your job is to interpret the law and leave as much of your "outside prejudice" outside the courtroom. This jury took its time in deliberating and ruled according to a very narrowly worded indictment and even more opaque laws. You're right...this is a sad testament to our society...

avebury

(10,952 posts)
15. I actually wonder if they were lazy in the long run.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jul 2013

They asked about manslaughter. The judge sent a message that she needed a more specific question.


CRICKETS!


Was it easier, at that point, to just go on and pass by seriously considering manslaughter>

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. I think that was a ploy to get the media thinking a verdict wouldn't happen...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:39 AM
Jul 2013

so they could better slink off into the darkness. Not that I blame them, from the way they chase these people down.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. You just can't accept that the jurors based their verdict on the evidence?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jul 2013

They didn't find GZ innocent. They found that the state did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was not defending himself when he shot TM.

From the question they asked the judge, they considered manslaughter.

They were not finding that GZ shouldn't have gotten out of the car, that he was following TM, that TM was irritated at being followed.....none of that was in the list of questions the jury had to answer.

Their questions were pretty narrow, tailored to the elements of the charges.

1. Was TM killed? yes
2. Did GZ kill TM? yes
3. Did GZ have reason to believe that he was in a threat of great bodily harm at the time of the shooting?
Answer:_____.

Apparently they believed that the state did NOT prove that #3 was not true. The prosecutor had the burden to prove the elements of the crime.

Had GZ struck the first blow, this trial would've ended up very different.

rucky

(35,211 posts)
21. "Reason to believe"
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

is the subjective part of this.

What passes for "reasonable" in Florida is massively fucked up.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. I'm not sure I would've arrived at that same conclusion. But there you go. That's the system.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jul 2013

Six jurors decided that way.

It's tough when the prosecutor has the burden to prove. Remember that GZ is presumed innocent. The jurors are instructed they have to view the evidence in a light most favorable to the defendant. The state has to prove otherwise.

So I can see how the jurors arrived at their conclusion.

I would have preferred a lesser charge that would've resulted in some prison time (less than 10 years) or a long probation for GZ...some punishment for reckless behavior. That would've been almost a slam dunk to prove. But that wasn't on the table.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. Six Paula Deens, making a jury straight out of To Kill A Mockingbird.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013

Even if Atticus Finch himself prosecuted the case, they'd still have voted to let Zim skate.

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