The one thing I keep coming back to that seems to symbolize the tragedy of this case

[Quixote1818]

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is Trayvon being listed as John Doe at the morgue for three days even after the parents had listed him as missing. It's burned into my soul! I keep thinking how demeaning this must have been for the family and every black person in this country. I remember the day I read this and for whatever reason it just crushed my heart in a very profound way. These kind folks have their child brutally murdered senselessly because he was profiled then their son is assumed to be a thug with no value. Then it practically takes an act of God to get a trial which would have been a given for a white kid. Can people at FOX news and Free-republic not see how disturbing and tragic this is? Can they not even make an attempt to understand how painful this is to so many people? Can they not imagine how they would feel if there son was murdered this way and then instantly labeled as just a thug and sent away to the morgue as a nobody? For anyone lurking I just hope you will take a moment and think of Trayvon and his family and Trayvon's body lying labeled as John Doe for three days in the morgue with his lifeless eyes staring upward. Really examine why Trayvon's dead body was treated this way. If you can't take the time to do that then you really need to question what is in your heart.

The dancing on Trayvon's grave tonight by so many shows this is a very tragic night for America.

[darkangel218]

1. The grave dancing is indeed sickening

They're trully showing their real faces tonite.

[Blue_Tires]

17. They've *always* been showing their faces from day one

Been tyring to point thatout to no avail

[madinmaryland]

2. It is the law that the NRA passed that allowed this to happen that pisses me off.

If there was no "stand your ground" then Travon Martin would be another young man who had just finished high school and going to college.

FUCK THE NRA.

[SlipperySlope]

6. "Stand Your Ground" was not an issue in this case

The "Stand Your Ground" statute had no bearing on this case. This case played out in the court as a "self defense" case without any jury instructions that referred to "Stand Your Ground".

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. Oh, yes it was. It surely was.

Zimbo the killer thought he was setting things up, getting all his ducks in a row in order to enable the shooting that he planned to do, and get away with under the SYG law.

Without the law, Zippy wouldn't have been so brave and cock-sure he could kill and get away with it. The legal maneuvering after the fact is not relevant to this aspect and was merely procedural.

Zippy got away with it for days, wasn't even drug tested or swabbed because of the SYG law. It was the community's outrage that brought the more serious charges, but he did get away with it initially.

So don't be so disingenuous as to try to frame the story in favor of vigilantes in the wake of the murderer getting set free to kill again.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

11. The exposed lies should have brought at least a manslaughter conviction

Why weren't those lies used against Zimmerman? Is it because he didn't testify?

[SlipperySlope]

19. What are you referring to as SYG?

Traditional self-defense law; you have the right to use deadly force if you have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, assuming you have attempted to retreat from the thread prior to using deadly force.

Stand your ground; you have the right to use deadly force if you have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, and you have no duty to attempt to retreat first.

The only difference between traditional self-defense and stand your ground is whether you have the duty to retreat. Zimmerman's attempt to retreat (or lack thereof) was never an issue in this case, hence it was not a SYG case.

With regards to specific statutes....

Zimmerman's defense was based on §776.012-1. Florida's "stand your ground" statute is in §776.013-3. Zimmerman's defense did not rely on §776.013-3, hence it was not a SYG case.

Maybe I'm confused by what you are asserting? Are you claiming that all uses of deadly force in self defense are considered "stand your ground"?

[Cronus Protagonist]

23. You are correct sir.

In that you are confused.

[SlipperySlope]

24. LOL

Touché

The prosecution says it wasn't about SYG, the New York Times says it wasn't about SYG, but hey, whatever...

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. Go work it out with them, then

I was here, paying close attention. The case was prejudiced from the get-go by Zimmerman's invocation of the SYG law even before he did the deed. And right after, the cops did not do their usual work-up because of that law. It was only after the public rose up that Zimmerman the murderer was finally brought up on charges and by that time the forensic evidence had been cleaned off the perpetrator due to the SYG law.

And Zimmerman the murderer went through the SYG shooter's checklist before he did the deed, to ensure that he would have no trouble after he turned his intentions into reality.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

12. Blame ALEC and the Koch Bros too. They backed this outrageous law.

And set up future cases as well.

[HiPointDem]

3. kr

[kelliekat44]

4. It took three days for police and Zimmerman to get their stories straight. nt

[defacto7]

5. K&R

Tragic night. It's true.

[BronxBoy]

7. They can see....

they just don't give a shit

[Fumesucker]

10. Welcome to DU!

I hope you enjoy your stay.

[davidpdx]

13. It was a short one

That's for sure. He got his Tombstone to go.

[hfojvt]

14. I thought the "three days" story was shown to be false

At least wiki says this "Martin's body was taken to the morgue, where he was tagged as a John Doe as he was not carrying any identification.[23] Martin's father, Tracy Martin, called to file a Missing Persons report early on February 27 and police officers arrived at his fiancée's condo with photographs of his dead son about 9:20 am." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

But the whole "not carrying any ID" does not make sense to me. He was carrying a phone. How hard is it to check his call log and to call some of the people he has recently talked to and ask them to identify him?

And also to advance this story as "Trayvon was murdered for being black" seems to me a load of hooey as well. That is an absurd distortion of what actually happened. I think he was killed because of what he did with his fists, not because of the color of his skin.

[Quixote1818]

15. He was profiled

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a big reason his is dead now is simply because he was black because none of this would have happened had he not been black. Zimmerman would have gone to the store and left him be. It happens almost every day in this country.

And as to the other point: Here it is from ABC News: Martin's body was left in the morgue for three days, classified as a "John Doe." The family charges that officers didn't bother to ask neighbors if they recognized Martin, who had been staying with his father in the neighborhood. http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-chief-trayvon-martin-case-resigns-temporarily-amid/story?id=15977847#.UeKsNqTnbIX

[hfojvt]

16. lots of places reported the 3 days story

but was it true?

It is harder to find a link to the rebuttal, since stories about the 3 days are at the top of search results.

http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2012/04/childhoods-end-dont-blame-ditto-heads.html

"Question: Is it true? Did Trayvon Martin’s body “sit in a morgue for three days before his parents were contacted?” That’s what Big Eddie told us this night—and he told us we should be outraged.

Unfortunately, this latest claim was false, like so many other claims he has made. Because we had seen so many people seeming to pimp this claim on The One Liberal Channel, we were surprised when we read the 5000-word news report in the New York Times on April 2."


"Go ahead! Just visit any comment thread and you will see the new generation of ditto-heads—ditto-heads pushing bogus facts they’ve heard from the likes of Ed Schultz. Stutzman has fact-checked various points in the Sentinel—but fact-checking seems to play little role in the work that is now being done on The One True Liberal Channel."



Of course, one trouble is, which member of the M$M, who all regularly get things wrong, am I supposed to believe?

Here's the Times story. Should I trust the Times? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-prompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?pagewanted=7&_r=1&ref=trayvonmartin&

[kentuck]

18. Makes you wonder if his family life was a little rocky?

Perhaps?

Nobody knows him for three days?

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. He was reported as missing the next day

I don't know racist Sanford, but don't most places require someone be missing for 24 hours before they will take a missing person report?

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. I thought Dr Bao testified that Tracy identified Trayvon on the 27th

I could be mistaken about that though.

[Lurks Often]

22. It wasn't three days. Tracy Martin identified his son the following day at 9:20

based on photos provided by the police.