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snot

(10,529 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:37 AM Jul 2013

"Snowden Broke the Law"

Here's part of the speech Cindy Sheehan gave on Aug. 5, 2005, shortly before she began her vigil outside Pres. G.W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, TX in protest of the Iraq war:

Another thing that I’m doing is –– my son was killed in 2004, so I’m not paying my taxes for 2004. If I get a letter from the IRS, I’m gonna say, you know what, this war is illegal; this is why this war is illegal. This war is immoral; this is why this war is immoral. You killed my son for this. I don’t owe you anything. And if I live to be a million, I won’t owe you a penny.

And I want them to come after me, because unlike what you’ve been doing with the war resistance, I want to put this frickin’ war on trial. And I want to say, “You give me my son, and I’ll pay your taxes.”

. . . . And Henry David Thoreau he went to prison, he refused to pay his poll tax, and Emerson, I call them HT and RW, and RW came to visit HT and said what are you doing here, buddy? And HT said, why aren’t you here? This is the only place for a moral person in an immoral world.

It’s up to us, the people, to break immoral laws, and resist. As soon as the leaders of a country lie to you, they have no authority over you.
These maniacs have no authority over us. And they might be able to put our bodies in prison, but they can’t put our spirits in prison.

* * * * *
The opposite of good is not evil, it’s apathy. And we have to get this country off their butts, and we have to get the choir singing.

More at http://www.c-cyte.com/video/source/casey/camp_caseyflash.html . Eight years later, the whole speech is still well worth reading.
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dballance

(5,756 posts)
1. Correction: Snowden is ACCUSED of breaking the law. He's had no trial yet.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:38 AM
Jul 2013

So, as we've seen today with the Zimmerman verdict, just because one is accused of a crime doesn't mean they are guilty.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. Then I'm sure that just like w/ Zimmy any TV interviews, internet posts, etc. by Snowden
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jul 2013

Will be admitted into evidence at his trial so the jury can weigh that evidence.

Zimmy admitted he shot Trayvon Martin. But that didn't make him guilty of murder or manslaughter now did it?

snot

(10,529 posts)
7. Thanks, yes; sorry not to have made the post title more obviously tongue-in-cheek ––
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jul 2013

I hope you'll read the post substance anyway.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
4. They only crime Snowy committed
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:52 AM
Jul 2013

is spreading bullshit among the idiots online so they have another reason to bitch about the President....




Nothing new has he released...oh, on thing- 117K foreign nationals being monitored.

Thanks Snowy LOL

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Really? I thought Snowden had committed treason, espionage, sedition, and insurrection.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:54 AM
Jul 2013

Also, he got chocolate in my peanut butter

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. He's really not that important
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:58 AM
Jul 2013

that's why a murder trial in Florida trumps all "massive USA spying on everyone in World" stories




And why the same people are posting the same things online. I guess nobody was rounded up yet-

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. So, you are going to ignore the fact that he STOLE classified government documents?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:58 AM
Jul 2013

Sorry, that is THEFT and and he has admitted to committing federal crimes.

Hopefully he will be arrested soon and stand trial on the three felony charges.



 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. I don't really care
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:00 AM
Jul 2013

I would prefer he move to Bolivia and become a low level rapper...


It'll give some folks in "creative speculation" something to follow

snot

(10,529 posts)
11. Um, could you please respond to the substance of the post,
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013

rather than using it as an excuse to have an unrelated argument?

I.e., is there no action by authority so egregious that, even if you must break the law to reveal it, you would not do so? And is there no scenario in which it might be worth staying out of jail in order to thwart such an abuse of authority?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. Yes I am. Just like I was happy when Ellsberg broke the LAW.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:26 AM
Jul 2013

Bravo to Sam Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Payne (a radical and one of my father's heroes) for BREAKING THE LAW.

Bravo to treasonist bastards.


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