Yanno . . . no matter how much you want it to be so, America is NOT post racial.

[Stinky The Clown]

It wasn't post racial in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, or now, in 2013.

We seem hardly more evolved than we were in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90, 00s.

Just because some wanted it to be so - in many ways for purely political motives - doesn't make it so.

[bobduca]

1. those who ever claimed that were blind

or worse, willfully ignorant.

[madinmaryland]

2. He only won because of the FUCKING NRA.

FUCK THE NRA.

[Riftaxe]

6. And your boogeyman has exactly what

to do with the verdict? Adjust medication or seek help.

[madinmaryland]

9. I see that a gungeonite crawled out of the cesspool to comment in DU...

How about the FUCKING laws that the NRA got passed in Florida that allowed the raging gun-nut to kill someone without any repercussion.

Yes. Go back to your fucking hole.

[Riftaxe]

13. Yet you dodge the question

why was the NRA not brought into evidence, surely it would if we were not dealing with your particluar chosen psychosis.

[madinmaryland]

16. And yet you are missing the entire reason why this whole thing ever happened.

If you can't see that it was the NRA spending billions of dollars to promote these "stand-your-ground" rules and FREE GUNS FOR EVERYONE, then you it is not really worth discussing with you.

[Riftaxe]

3. It is a just verdict

from the evidence presented.

Sure it not match up with DU groupthink, but lord how many repeated lies does it take to think it is other then just?

I not fathom, the breast beating just over the verdict.

Remedial civics class is something long overdue, since it apparently has not been taught in the last 40 years.

[bobduca]

4. thanks 'teach for the "civics" lesson

[Riftaxe]

8. Aye knowing how the 3 branches work

is akin to treason, best to stay uniformed.

A basic understanding can only lead to thoughtless rebellion, when our betters no what to do.

[bobduca]

11. so the letter to the jury re: disregarding all of that testimony

was that the judge basing his instructions on precedent? or his personal choice base on his reading of the case?

please explain why the jury had such specific instructions.. and why if the prosecution was so seemingly inept that this should be celebrated as "justice"

Also do you own a gun?

[madinmaryland]

12. Maybe, if you are a democrat, you would be fighting against the laws that the NRA

is foisting on this country, and not just la-di-dah-ing the decision the jury was FORCED to make tonight based on the horendous laws foisted on us the FUCKING NRA.

[Riftaxe]

14. and yet the NRA was no where in the trial

While your particular psychosis would require it to be, is that not evidence that your are just a bit loopy about them?

<and no i am not a member>

[madinmaryland]

18. My friend. It was the NRA that created the laws that forced the jury to have to acquit the murderer

named George Zimmerman. PERIOD.

[uponit7771]

36. This is an uninformed statement

[Riftaxe]

17. Lord seek help

You still have yet to explain what the hell has the NRA has to do with it other then your delusional ramblings.

[madinmaryland]

20. The NRA forced upon the state of Florida the "stand-your-ground" law. PERIOD. Rather than saying I

am delusional, how about actually refuting my comments, rather than making pot shots at me.

[madinmaryland]

21. The NRA needs to fuck-off, and here...

Do a quick search for “Stand Your Ground” on the National Rifle Association’s website and the first video result features the story of a Florida man exonerated of murder charges in January 2012 under the State’s “Stand Your Ground” law. That video’s segment is titled “Hero of the Day.”

The NRA lobbied for “Stand Your Ground” in the past and has yet to comment on the controversy surrounding the killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a case in which Florida’s version of the law could play a pivotal role if it ever goes to trial.

The pro-gun group championed the passage of the original law in Florida back in 2004 and lobbied to pass similar legislation in other states, according to the Center for Public Integrity. In light of the recent controversy, the NRA has stalled its lobbying efforts in to pass the law in Alaska, according to Bloomberg News.

“Stand Your Ground” laws state that a person can use lethal force if that person feels at all threatened. Versions of the law have been passed in 25 states, but Florida’s is considered to be the most aggressive.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/nra-pushed-for-stand-your-ground-laws/

[Riftaxe]

30. You do realize

that SYG was never a part of the trial, right?

Screw it keep listening to glen beck or whatever nutjob you are a fan of.

Just pop into reality every now and then so we know you are ok.

[madinmaryland]

32. You do realize

the whole reason the trial happened was because of "SYG". Had that never been foisted on the state by the NRA and Glenn Beck and what ever other nutjobs you listen to, this whole fucking thing would never have happened.

Now maybe you need to take some reality pills before posting nonsense like that.

[Riftaxe]

33. Lord yet not one prosecutor or defense attorney was intelligent enough

to even smirk at the relevant law in a televised open court? Fascinating.

Surely you find that as hard to believe as i do, but good night and hope you feel better on the morrow.

[madinmaryland]

34. Huh? Have you understood at all that I am arguing against the law that the

NRA devised and not the verdict?

I hope you are the one that wakes up from the NRA induced haze in the morning.

[Skittles]

35. don't you understand, madinmaryland?

the NRA has infused a gun-nut mentality into America but they are not responsible for the inevitable results! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

[treestar]

10. How do you figure?

How is there reasonable doubt GZ should not have used deadly force?

Kid unarmed, GZ had called the cops and the cops were coming - he knew that. GZ has martial arts training. No blood or DNA on TM's hands.

GZ head cuts show at most a fight but not one that allowed for deadly force.

[Riftaxe]

15. Because as the law plainly states

Threat of bodily harm or death. The prosecution should have made a hell of a better case, but honestly they were coasting, I suspect since the trial was opened via press conference instead of the normal jury that played a lot into it and the decision by the prosecution to not work at the charges explains the outcome.

[madinmaryland]

22. BECAUSE as the law plainly states and was written by the NRA...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/nra-pushed-for-stand-your-ground-laws/

[Riftaxe]

23. I suspect you truly believe that

So i will just agree to differ.

I still like 90% of your posts if it helps, we just disagree on this one.

Lord who knows how i would come out on a Democratic purity test, but more relevant have you voted for the same candidates i have for the last 40 years? Purity tests are an exercise in futility and a condemnation of intelligence.

[madinmaryland]

24. You have yet to refute my assertion and that of most people in this country that the

NRA has created absurd laws such as the "stand your ground" law in Florida, and that it is these laws that allowed George Zimmerman to murder another human being.

Please explain how you differ with me on this. It is NOT about what the jurors, prosecutors, or the judge did in this case. It is about what the NRA has done to this country. (And I suppose I should include the corporate gun manufacturers.)

[Riftaxe]

26. I do not find the laws absurd

nor admit that the laws are silly. That the laws can be abused, i think is pretty self evident, exactly how would you change the laws in florida?

As far as the NRA, I view them as politically wrong, but appreciate them for the good they do in safety education, i would never join them since we are completely opposed politically.

As far as the NRA being such a heavy political power, i would think it is hardly true at best.

If we skip to the heart of it, this is more likely a rural thing vs urban, i could never condone a kitty genovese attitude, that is beyond my understanding, yet is so inbred into urbanites that it makes them so odious. Nor do i understand moving into a new community and not joining EMS or the fire department.

[madinmaryland]

29. Thanks for actually addressing the points that I made...

You just admitted in your first paragraph that it is quite evident that the law, that law being the "stand your ground" law can be easily abused. OBVIOUSLY, the easiest way would be to revoke the law and return to the law that worked very well for more that two hundred years. I think that is called the Castle Doctrine.

I am glad you consider the NRA politically wrong, but you should just consider them wrong altogether. You should also know that the NRA is one of the biggest political players out there, right up there with KKK Rove's group and the Koch brothers. That is a fact.

Nice try with your last paragraph. Very sad situation, but for you to pull that sort of bullshit, is very reminiscent of a lot gungeonites that are no longer at DU.

BTW, what the fuck does this mean: " Nor do i understand moving into a new community and not joining EMS or the fire department."

[treestar]

28. I figure it came down to the instruction about the burden of proof

Which was indeed confusing. As finders of fact, even so, I criticize this jury. They had to find it was beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ should not have used deadly force. Maybe they erred in favor of GZ in a close case due to the instructions. Still his story is full of holes and not all that credible.

The prosecution may not have wanted to try the case - only public pressure made them do it.

[dembotoz]

5. more like the 50s I have in laws now who are openly racist

they always were racist but they used to hide it

not anymore

my family just keeps getting smaller

[enigmatic]

7. It really is De-Evolution.

As long as the traditional media and hate talk radio blare 24/7 about hating anyone who isn't white and christian, it's never going to be post-racial, or post-anything.

[mstinamotorcity2]

19. And who thought this??????

That has never been the case with me. I never thought such a thing. The thing is now you will have people of color gearing our children up for the HATE. We will now let them know that they will Never ever be safe in America. Children of color will never be safe in America. NEVER!!!!!!!!So when you find them stand offish you will know why.

[Iggo]

25. Whoever said it was?

[Nevernose]

31. Usually it's the racists who say we're in "post-racial" America

Although I'd much rather live in post-racist America.

I see signs in the young people all the time. A change is gonna come, it's just gonna be a long time in coming.

[Igel]

27. No, it certainly isn't.

Used to hope. Saw signs that we were closer.

Last couple of years I realized that we're no closer. Nope.