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Mutiny In Heaven

(550 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:46 PM Jul 2013

I do not believe that America is a lost cause

It is a heavily flawed country, and I'd say that, as it stands, many places more or less irredeemable for the foreseeable future. However, there are plenty of areas where a perpetual majority shy away from bigotry and embrace compassionate, rational thought.

I understand that it's hard to see through the insanity, but it has so much to offer. There will be peaks and troughs but on a domestic level, the brand of Republican whose mission it is to fan the flames of fear, loathing and violence is losing this war of its own creation. It might not seem like it now, but if that party fails again in 2014-16, it will HAVE to put down its dog whistle, it will HAVE to marginalise that faction and reprogram its base or decline as a viable electoral option will become terminal.

America has so, so many problems. Yet it still has so, so much to offer, and the culture, the art, the compassion, inventiveness and beauty will win the day in the end, even if it's going to take a few more decades for the changing of the generational guard to help that spread beyond its usual boundaries.

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I do not believe that America is a lost cause (Original Post) Mutiny In Heaven Jul 2013 OP
true that DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #1
I do. NOLALady Jul 2013 #2
And I understand why many will feel that way Mutiny In Heaven Jul 2013 #3
I think it's going to get a LOT worse Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #4
how old were you when the Rodney King verdic came down ? olddots Jul 2013 #5
America: a nice idea while it lasted - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #6
It makes me sick to my stomach Puglover Jul 2013 #7
I do believe Florida is, though n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #8
I have a husband JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #9
There was some hope in the 60s and 70s. moondust Jul 2013 #10
+1 and let me add this for the young. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #13
American Exceptionalism is A Fucking Joke otohara Jul 2013 #11
Nobody's asking you to believe anything. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #12

Mutiny In Heaven

(550 posts)
3. And I understand why many will feel that way
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jul 2013

But I think the fury we've seen in recent years (particularly post-2008) is because they KNOW it's slipping away. And it is. The walls of the bigoted, paranoid fantasy land are crumbling and we are watching its last stand.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
5. how old were you when the Rodney King verdic came down ?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jul 2013

I said America was not a lost cause then but tonight I want some justice .

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
9. I have a husband
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

That is an Italian citizen and we own a home there as well as two flats. I can't honestly respond because as a black American - I have an out that others who walk in my shoes don't have.

moondust

(19,988 posts)
10. There was some hope in the 60s and 70s.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

The civil rights movement, women's rights movement, Vietnam anti-war movement, JFK, MLK, RFK, and others got a lot of people engaged in making America a better, more just place to live for everybody. I'd say the 80s reversed a lot of that, followed by *some* redemtion in the 90s, but the 2000s accelerated the decadence and decline that started in the 80s. The U.S. has become a haven for the wealthy and that's about it.

All I can say to younger Americans looking to the future is good luck!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
13. +1 and let me add this for the young.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jul 2013

Screw us. We fucked it all up and we knew that we were doing it while we did it.

You have two choices now; pursue the path of most of your parents and hope that you will be among the lucky 10% over the next 50 years, or stop playing the game altogether and collapse the system. There is no middle ground, there is no fixing it, make your choice and do your best to live with it, it's going to be really hard either way.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
11. American Exceptionalism is A Fucking Joke
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

this place is depressing - corporations, guns, murders, wall street, oil/gas, Monsanto.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
12. Nobody's asking you to believe anything.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

You're just flat, fucking wrong. There are not "plenty of areas where a perpetual majority shy away from bigotry and embrace compassionate, rational thought." that's just wishful thinking or plain old bullshit.

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