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radiclib

(1,811 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:27 PM Jul 2013

There is no excuse for this jury

Instructions be damned, incompetent prosecution be damned, "reasonable doubt" be damned, this case should have been a fucking no-brainer.
Some asshole hothead with no official capacity stalks and confronts an unarmed innocent kid, provokes him into a fight, and shoots him dead. These are the undisputed facts.
I've been ashamed to be an American for many years, and now I'm ashamed to be a human being.

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There is no excuse for this jury (Original Post) radiclib Jul 2013 OP
So just throw caution to the wind? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #1
C'mon, you know those gals were sitting in arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #3
Reasonable doubt be damned? FBaggins Jul 2013 #2
there is no doubt Zimmerman's reckless actions led to the death of an innocent person Skittles Jul 2013 #4
jury disagrees with you ceonupe Jul 2013 #7
no, they simply believed a bullshit story Skittles Jul 2013 #9
but that is not what he was charged with ceonupe Jul 2013 #11
Trayvon fought for and LOST HIS LIFE Skittles Jul 2013 #13
The jury didn't agree. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #8
Quotation marks for a reason. radiclib Jul 2013 #17
I'm surprised by the verdict, but it was never a no brainer or a slam dunk, for either side. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #5
Half the evidence died with Trayvon. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #21
Umm.. no. X_Digger Jul 2013 #6
I agree Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #10
a black man would have been arrested on the spot Skittles Jul 2013 #12
... and likely shot dead at the scene Danascot Jul 2013 #19
I have to say marions ghost Jul 2013 #14
Gawd I hope so! n/t arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #15
I don't think you would be quite so cavalier in saying "reasonable doubt be damned" Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #16
No, thanks - lynne Jul 2013 #18
it's so freaking orwellian. a stalker with a gun goes after someone minding their own business, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
1. So just throw caution to the wind?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jul 2013

Our nation is made up of laws, and the jury had a duty to follow the guidelines. If they came back in 30 minutes, I would say they just threw caution to the wind, but they took the time to consider their choice.

You don't have to like it, but we shouldn't blame the jury.

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
7. jury disagrees with you
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:40 PM
Jul 2013

we assume they followed the law.

The jury must reach certain conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt the state failed to prove the case to that level.

it doe not mean the dont believe zimmerman was wrong or responsible for travon's death but that the state did not prove Manslaughter or 2nd degree murder to the standard of the law.

Our system is based on law not emotion and if we dont agree with the law we have a way to attempt to change it.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
9. no, they simply believed a bullshit story
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jul 2013

there is NO DOUBT Trayvon would be alive were it not for the actions of a gun humping vigilante cop-wanabe

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
11. but that is not what he was charged with
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:45 PM
Jul 2013

he was charged with Murder 2 and manslaughter not for being responsible for the death of Travon martin as you put it.

the state did not prove their case. we all know GZ was responsible for the death the question was the law and how it applied to that death and what the state could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

our system is not perfect.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
13. Trayvon fought for and LOST HIS LIFE
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jul 2013

that bastard Zimmerman can ROT IN HELL - he got away with MURDER

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
5. I'm surprised by the verdict, but it was never a no brainer or a slam dunk, for either side.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

It was complicated. Many posters in this forum still don't know half of the evidence, judging from their posts.

But...I am surprised. Maybe they should have included an even lesser charge, like negligent homicide or something.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
6. Umm.. no.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

This is our system of law.

You might as well say, "trials be damned"-- which is pretty damned ironic considering that's what some folks were accusing GZ of doing.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. I have to say
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jul 2013

that such miscarriages of justice are not uncommon. But those aren't televised. There is a lot wrong with the American justice system. Wake up to that.

That being said, this outcome is terrible, awful, tragic. Let the civil case proceed.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
16. I don't think you would be quite so cavalier in saying "reasonable doubt be damned"
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

if you were on trial, facing a possible prison sentence of decades.

Did the OJ Simpson, Robert Blake, and Casey Anthony verdicts also make you ashamed to be an American and a human being?

lynne

(3,118 posts)
18. No, thanks -
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jul 2013

- I'll pass. Don't want to mess with reasonable doubt, I would imagine that innocent people have been saved by it. The jury had an almost impossible job to do and they had to do it within the confines of the law. It's the law you should be upset with - not the jury and certainly not reasonable doubt.

You can always cure that being ashamed about being an American. Not so sure about how you could change the human thing, though.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
20. it's so freaking orwellian. a stalker with a gun goes after someone minding their own business,
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:36 AM
Jul 2013

and the dead person is 'guilty' because the gun-toting stalker got scared. so the gun-toting stalker had a right to self-defense, but the person being stalked didn't.

so fucking wrong, so orwellian, so representative of the times. everything is twisted into its opposite, everything is a lie.

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