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Zimmerman defenders constantly talk about his right to defend himself. But what about Trayvon? Did he have the same right?
Here's a kid minding his own business going to and from the store. It's dark and raining. Some stranger with a gun is following him.
Are we to believe that only Zimmerman had the right to defend himself?
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)And he was murdered because of it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)And he never used it as it was found inside his sweatshirt pocket on his dead body.
I'd say that is evidence that he did NOT attack Z! If he had wanted to, he might have considered using that. imho
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
mzteris
(16,232 posts)but if he'd've kicked zimmerman's ass, he'd probably be in jail now, because - you know - he's black and all and every one knows how dangerous blacks can be. Especially black teenage boys. Especially those really skinny ones.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)But just following? No, that's not justifiable cause to use force, regardless of whether GZ was armed or not.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)There you go....
Tikki
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Zimmerman had the right stay in his car and to not infringe on the rights of another. He stole a life and now he must pay. If not convicted he will never have a normal life and I believe someone will give him some street justice. He prefers it that way anyway, and his mere presence is a danger young men.
I'm afraid someone will feel the need to defend hem selves from him one day and decide they better shoot first.
The next woman he hits or cop he assaults or relative he molests will know his history and behave accordingly.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It seems Florida law disagrees with me, but I believe that Martin was put in a situation in which he was legitimately in fear for his life and health, and that this situation came about because of actions on Zimmerman's part leading up to their physical confrontation. It would have been reasonable for Martin to believe that a fight was inevitable at that point. Once someone has come to that conclusion (and it is reasonable for them to have done so), I do not consider it their obligation to let the other party get in the first blow before they take action.
In such circumstances, it's better to try to flee the situation, but that's not always possible or wise (for example: you can't outrun the other person, or nowhere to run, or you think they'll shoot you in the back).
onenote
(42,704 posts)As a legal matter, Trayvon had a right to use force to defend himself when Zimmerman followed him and confronted if he had a reasonable basis for feeling threatened and Zimmerman either was doing something unlawful or had attacked Trayvon. Following someone and even confronting them without an act of force or an actual threat of force is not illegal. Thus, even if Trayvon had a reasonable basis for fearing Zimmerman (and I think he did) under Florida law he had a duty to retreat if the conditions outlined above haven't been met. It may not be fair but its the law.