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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:44 PM Feb 2012

Why is the price of gas going up?

And how much does it have to do with Iran?

Are the oil companies betting on future military action against Iran?

Or do we have a shortage of oil at the present time?

Or is it just greed by the big oil companies?

What is your opinion?

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Why is the price of gas going up? (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2012 OP
Because it can. nt valerief Feb 2012 #1
exactly. shanti Feb 2012 #21
You beat me to it. nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #25
with the media greasing the skids. rurallib Feb 2012 #26
speculators? Greedy mofos? CurtEastPoint Feb 2012 #2
Greedy oil companies doing their part to kill an economic recovery liberal N proud Feb 2012 #3
I think trying to kill an economic recovery could be part of the reason why. applegrove Feb 2012 #32
Well, if more people are working & more companies are delivering goods... Bruce Wayne Feb 2012 #4
Well, I'll wager that you will not find demand up this time of year. Also, did you know that "we" theophilus Feb 2012 #34
Big oil threatened "Huge political consequences" if Obama didn't approve the pipeline. tridim Feb 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author pampango Feb 2012 #6
Because they can Politicalboi Feb 2012 #7
Tax refunds are on the way. greendog Feb 2012 #8
Consumption worldwide is in decline, Magoo48 Feb 2012 #9
we need to bypass oil altogether Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #17
Very true. Unfortuantely we can't bypass oil this year or next or even in a decade... spin Feb 2012 #33
we're down to 3.19 here about 30 miles north of Detroit. notadmblnd Feb 2012 #10
We just went above 3.00 per gal for regular... kentuck Feb 2012 #11
3.80 here in S.E. Conn NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #31
Spring is coming Texasgal Feb 2012 #12
It did this last winter. Up in the winter.....down in the spring.... theophilus Feb 2012 #35
Some, no but the speculators are, sort of, and partly FarCenter Feb 2012 #13
I thought prices would go down after Iraq. pwb Feb 2012 #14
Oil is $120 a barrel Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #15
It's not because of increased usage in the US Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #16
Record exports of refined gasoline and diesel leaving the market for overseas. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #18
We import the crude, refine it, and ship the refined gasoline and diesel to other countries FarCenter Feb 2012 #22
not really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #23
Oil cos are doing it to derail Ilsa Feb 2012 #19
There are lots of reasons... sendero Feb 2012 #20
I think it's Iran. n/t jenmito Feb 2012 #24
Because they want to point their finger at Mr. Obama and yell "IT'S HIS FAULT". Booster Feb 2012 #27
We all paid way too little for way too long Ron Green Feb 2012 #28
Speculation by 5 investment banks "betting" on the future price of oil Samantha Feb 2012 #29
I think this is the major reason... kentuck Feb 2012 #30
Its greed by the big oil companies madokie Feb 2012 #36
Because walking to work is a drag taterguy Feb 2012 #37

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
3. Greedy oil companies doing their part to kill an economic recovery
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:48 PM
Feb 2012

It all is because of a deep seated hate some rich white men have for one.

Bruce Wayne

(692 posts)
4. Well, if more people are working & more companies are delivering goods...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:51 PM
Feb 2012

supply and demand sorta demands that an improving economy will see rising gas prices. Of course if you don't like supply and demand, I guess it's cool to ignore rational scientific explanations and just assume it's a big conspiracy by elites out to destroy whatever it is you personally support. I hear that's a very popular way to think these days.

theophilus

(3,750 posts)
34. Well, I'll wager that you will not find demand up this time of year. Also, did you know that "we"
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:27 PM
Feb 2012

are EXPORTING lots of gasoline? Funny,huh? Also, in my area (and maybe yours)almost this exact thing happened last winter. You know when the economic news started sounding good. Gas went up here between January and May by almost 90 cents. Then the good news turned sour. Oddly enough the price of gas went down in the summer and bounced around within a narrow range. My "theory" is that the rat bastard oil companies will do anything to suck any extra money out of the economy. Should we praise them in this? I think not.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. Big oil threatened "Huge political consequences" if Obama didn't approve the pipeline.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:51 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/jack-gerard-obama-keystone-pipeline_n_1184281.html

They are now enacting that threat. All the reasons you hear about on the "news" are cover for the real reason.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. Because they can
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:53 PM
Feb 2012

And it makes it look like Obama is the one who is doing it. It's their next talking point.

greendog

(3,127 posts)
8. Tax refunds are on the way.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:54 PM
Feb 2012

The oil companies are just changing their prices to reflect the fact that a few extra dollars are available.

Magoo48

(4,721 posts)
9. Consumption worldwide is in decline,
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:04 PM
Feb 2012

therefore they are scaling back production.....manipulate the supply/demand ratio.....manipulate the public thru advertising. The oil business is, both literally and figuratively, the filthiest racket on the planet IMO.

spin

(17,493 posts)
33. Very true. Unfortuantely we can't bypass oil this year or next or even in a decade...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:27 PM
Feb 2012

However, we can make a good start in 10 years.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
10. we're down to 3.19 here about 30 miles north of Detroit.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:07 PM
Feb 2012

People were lined up at the pumps like they were giving it away. I've noticed that every time there is something said about Iran and Israel that escalates tensions, it spikes between 25 and 30 cents then slowlt decreases in price again. This week it's gone down quite a bit, last week it was up in the 3.50's

theophilus

(3,750 posts)
35. It did this last winter. Up in the winter.....down in the spring....
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
Feb 2012

at least in central Arkansas. Also, when the economic news is good it seems to go up. Not blamed on increased demand, though. I believe demand is way down and yet the Petro Pirates continue to EXPORT gasoline to other countries. Throw them all in prison I say.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
13. Some, no but the speculators are, sort of, and partly
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:17 PM
Feb 2012

And how much does it have to do with Iran?

There have been modest increases in price following sabre rattling on both sides, but Iran is not the only factor. There is unrest in Nigeria for example. Also significant is the rise inconsumption by developing countries.

Are the oil companies betting on future military action against Iran?

No, the oil companies would be trading to hedge positions. The speculators in the futures market would be making the big bets on whether or not there will be a shortage or interruption from Iran.

Or do we have a shortage of oil at the present time?

Emerging economies are placing more demands on the supply. There is no physical shortage as long as prices are allowed to rise so that users who cannot afford the higher prices cut back their consumption.

Or is it just greed by the big oil companies?

The big oil companies don't set the prices, if by big oil companies you mean Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, etc. The prices are set by the futures trading markets and by the national oil companies of the big producing countries.

pwb

(11,292 posts)
14. I thought prices would go down after Iraq.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

A lot less fuel being used without our military tear assin around so much. Gas prices go down, threaten Iran and up they go, it works every time.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
15. Oil is $120 a barrel
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:20 PM
Feb 2012

the oil price quoted in US financial reports is for West Texas Intermediate crude oil which only accounts for about 5% of total US production; WTI is priced lower because of excess inventories at the oil depot in Cushing, Oklahoma, and a lack of pipeline capacity to move it out. Every other grade of domestically produced crude oil is trading around $120 a barrel. So is every grade of foreign-produced crude oil. Global oil demand is at about 89 million barrels per day; global oil production is at about 10 millon barrels a day less than that, and crude oil production has been flat since 2005.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. It's not because of increased usage in the US
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:23 PM
Feb 2012


I think it is partly speculation - the ECB has dumped a lot of money into banks in Europe. Banks in Europe have used a lot of the money to repay loans coming due. That money has to go somewhere, and a good guess is that some of it is going into commodities. Iran provides a pretext and the ECB money provides the fuel.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
18. Record exports of refined gasoline and diesel leaving the market for overseas.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:30 PM
Feb 2012

The oil companies are creating artificial shortages in order to keep domestic prices high by exporting.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
22. We import the crude, refine it, and ship the refined gasoline and diesel to other countries
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:36 PM
Feb 2012

At least we make money on the refining.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
23. not really
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:37 PM
Feb 2012

those exports are of oil that was imported in the first place from Mexico or Canada or elsewhere because the US has the refinery capacity. If there were demand in the US it wouldn't be exported; as it is, even allowing for the export of refined products the US is a net oil importer. Not exporting the fuel wouldn't affect prices much if at all because the price is determined largely by the market price of oil and not of refined products like gasoline (and total world demand is still very high).

Ilsa

(61,700 posts)
19. Oil cos are doing it to derail
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:32 PM
Feb 2012

Obama's economy and re-election. They also promised to be vindictive about the pipeline issue.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
20. There are lots of reasons...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:33 PM
Feb 2012

..... among them being that people who have REAL stuff are getting leery of trading it for pieces of paper that are being printed like there is no tomorrow.

A dollar is not worth a dollar if you toss several trillion of them into the economy in a futile attempt to save a banking system that is on life support.

Expect oil, food, virtually every commodity that you use to rise in price at several percent a year until this nonsense stops, if ever.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
28. We all paid way too little for way too long
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:57 PM
Feb 2012

and built our world accordingly. A different future is coming, whether we're ready or not.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
29. Speculation by 5 investment banks "betting" on the future price of oil
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:57 PM
Feb 2012

Additionally, the Koch Brothers have bought huge supplies of oil while the price is low, wait for Wall Street to drive the prices up, and then sell high. They have supertankers parked off shore with huge supplies of oil. They are simply waiting for the price to shoot up to sell.

Saudi Arabia has already said it could replace any shortages which occurred by Iran's withholding or inability as a result of a war to supply oil, so it strains credibility for the investment banks to project huge increases in cost as a result of a decreased availability, but it is very easy to believe they are simply attempting to grease their own financial pockets. All it takes is trades between the banks to start driving up prices, and they have shown in the recent past they are willing to do whatever it takes to maintain their projected profit levels.

Although the link below is an older article, it just shows what MSNBC revealed yesterday. There are 5 major banks currently speculating in oil and driving up the price. Additionally, 20 to 40 cents of the price one now spends on each gallon of gas goes directly to the Koch Brothers. (Sorry, I can't remember which MSNBC show showed the chart; it was a long news day yesterday....) But Morgan, Stanley and Goldman, Sachs were two of the five investment banks listed as currently driving up speculative prices.

Sam

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/obama-asks-doj-to-investigate-oil-speculators/5759

and an interesting article on the Koch Brothers and their influence over the price of oil through speculation:

http://thinkprogress.org/report/koch-oil-speculation/

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