WAIT!! WAIT!!!.....

[uponit7771]

A 200lb, physically fit, grown man with almost a years worth of MMA training AND had a gun ....

Gets BEAT UP by a 150-ish lb 10 grade kid?!?!?!?!??!

Yeeeeeah......

Fuck that .....I'm not even going to try to go through the mental contortions it takes to believe that kind of fucked up ass'd story...

Trayvon might have fought BACK ....... but I don't believe for a second he BEAT UP George Zimmerman and left NO blood, DNA or anything else on Trayvon Martins hands outside of finger scrapes


A black child doesn't come out of the womb a welter weight boxing champion contender.... this is some bullshit


JMHO

[Bay Boy]

1. Doesn't the testimony...

...confirm that Trayvon was on top?

[malaise]

3. Who fuggin cares?

Wasn't Trayvon entitled to fight for his own life - he didn't go after anyone.
That fugging racist, pathological, liar, loser, wanna be cop and man who has been in fights before went after the kid and murdered him. he got out of his car hunting that teenager with a fucking gun.
I hope Trayvon did fight back. He was returning to his father's place. Do young black men not have the right to walk in their own fucking neighborhood?
Off to prison for the murderer.

[Bay Boy]

6. The arguement as posed by the OP seems...

.... to indicate that GZ should have been able to easily handle TM in a fight because of Z's MMA training. Yet the evidence says that TM was on top pummeling GZ. That sounds to me like Travon was winning the fight despite GZ's MMA training. Once GZ realized he was getting his butt kicked he pulled his weapon and killed Trayvon.

[blm]

8. What DNA evidence says that TM was 'pummeling' GZ?

How was TM 'winning the fight' without getting one speck of GZ's DNA on him?

Perhaps because Zimmerman stumbled when he approached Martin, and then used those injuries to CLAIM after the shooting that Martin was 'pummeling' him.

[Spazito]

4. Actually one witness said Trayvon was on top, one witness said Zimmerman was on top...

conflicting testimony by witnesses so no confirmation either way.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. And that goes back to my theory that they may have been rolling around. So of course, one witness

will see Trayvon on top while the other will see him on the bottom.

[Spazito]

18. Yes, it is a reasonable supposition...

it brings to the fore the lack of real eyewitnesses to this aspect during the crucial time period of the shot.

[blm]

5. Didn't Zimmerman say in taped footage that he stumbled. I bet that's when he was injured

but it was better for his story to claim that he was being throttled by Martin.

None of Zimmerman's DNA was on Martin.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. There's been so many different stories and inconsistent statements made that I can't keep up.

[uponit7771]

7. No, esepcially the angle of the gunshot

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Testimony by paid wtinesses who are all corroborating Goode's account. However,

If two people are struggling on the grass, they are likely rolling around. Therefore, I expect one person to be on top and other on the bottom. If they're rolling around, the one on the bottom is now on top. It depends on when the so-called witness saw what was happening. I could see a scenario of them rolling around during the struggle.

But the bottom line for me is that it doesn't matter who was on top.

What matters is that one person is dead, and the other person who claims to have been acting in self defense doesn't have any of his DNA on the dead person.

I know you're chearing for Zimmerman and therfore refuse to consider any alternative scenario, but at least be fair. It should be odd that forensics showed no DNA.

And all the Defense witnesses have been tainted. Tainted because they have been paid off; there's not one objective witness put up by the defense thus far. Not one.

[blm]

2. Don't Safety Officers TEACH school kids to punch and kick at adult strangers who get close

enough to them to scare them, especially after they were followed? Aren't parents told to teach their children to do that?

That would have been the first question I asked every law enforcement officer called to the stand.

And every parent, too.

[uponit7771]

9. Yeap, D D mentioned the guy following him to rape him

[Marrah_G]

10. But he is a BLACK kid

So that makes him SCARY! It makes him inately able to fight and act like a thug. Only the good ones are able to control their inner thugness. And he smoked a joint with his friends..........REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

[blm]

11. sounds about right.....

Zimmerman was just a choirboy and had no chance with a hulking thug like Trayvon.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. Well, my brother. You should know what they are trying to do: Paint Trayvon as they do all black men

He was big and scary. They know that the jury is made up of mostly white women. They probably believe that these women have been socialized to be scared or threatened by black men. If they can prejudice the minds of these women on the jury, they've won the case.

That's why they are putting Trayvon on the stand rather than Zimmerman. It's working, too. Sadly it's working. Trayvon is dead. He can't defend himself. There's nothing that the prosecution can do to defend him, either.

All they got is forensics. That's the last hope for the prosecution: Forensics.

What I'm most concerned about is the ability for anyone carrying a gun to shoot an unarmed black male, then turn around and claim self defense. You know it's going to keep happening. If Zimmerman can get away with it, then others can, too.

[uponit7771]

16. +1, I wish they would show some pics of 150lb 10th graders....then show GZ that night....GZ was soli

...solid...he was training for almost a year

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. I'm baffled as to why the prosecution doesn't show more pics of Trayvon Martin. He was a skinny kid

at 5'11 and 150. I know women who are 5'3 and 150.

[uponit7771]

17. +1 also on the "self defense" thing. My and another guy was talking about that last night that ANYON

...ANYONE know can go grab a gun, shoot someone and call it self defense now since all they have to have to show self defense is some scrapes and crap