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flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:40 AM Jul 2013

EU countries to Bolivia: We did not delay, deny, cancel your flight over our territories

** Getting tired repeating myself so here's the word from the EU mouths
** This was stated at a special session of the OAS today at the UN - Organization of American States

Representatives from Italy and Spain denied they closed their airspace and France called it a "technical" error based on false information and denied that it was a "political decision."

Sebastiano Fulci, a representative from Italy, said accusations against his country were unfair and false. He said the authorization to fly over Italian territory was canceled automatically — under normal procedures — after, not before, the president's plane was on the ground in Vienna.

"Italy had absolutely nothing to do with hindering the flight of President Evo Morales," Fulci said. "It never withdrew any authorization to fly over its territory."

Jorge Hevia, a representative from Spain, said his country did not delay, deny or cancel any authorization for Morales to fly over its territory on his way home from Moscow.

"Quite the opposite. At the request of Bolivia, the authorization was broadened and included authority for a stop at the Canary Islands," Hevia said in a reference to the Spanish archipelago. "At no time did we hinder the president's travel."

http://www.wral.com/bolivia-asks-oas-to-condemn-morales-plane-row/12642989/

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EU countries to Bolivia: We did not delay, deny, cancel your flight over our territories (Original Post) flamingdem Jul 2013 OP
Who is lying here, maybe the rumor mills is in overdrive, a lot to do about nothing. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #1
to be fair, it isn't nothing. Morales and Venezuela have every right to be indignant and demand KittyWampus Jul 2013 #4
Morales kardonb Jul 2013 #25
My understanding was from reading foreign newspapers at the time, that these countries JDPriestly Jul 2013 #31
It's amazing the chaos caused by Eddie Snowden flamingdem Jul 2013 #5
Truly his power is like unto a god! nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #10
I know, the devil made them do it. reusrename Jul 2013 #47
Evo liked the attention...so he's flogging the issue to get a bit more. MADem Jul 2013 #2
It sure looks like he's trying to gain status flamingdem Jul 2013 #6
Sin verguenza! nt MADem Jul 2013 #9
I'm listening to the session flamingdem Jul 2013 #15
Ugh, painful! MADem Jul 2013 #28
Did you watch the video on DU from the UNASUR meeting. The members of the UNASUR JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32
I don't know if he is beating a dead horse or not. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #8
LOL! flamingdem Jul 2013 #17
"He's a narcissiiiiiiiist!" Bonobo Jul 2013 #12
Posting pictures of Evo is RACIST!!111! Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #13
Sometimes. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #16
Edward Snowden’s Parasites: Evo Morales, Julian Assange & More MADem Jul 2013 #21
They did well, I'm beginning to be appreciate their audacity flamingdem Jul 2013 #27
Thanks for the accurate info. I don't click on the other links, but I imagine okaawhatever Jul 2013 #3
Thanks, it's funny to have competing threads on these flamingdem Jul 2013 #7
Something I've been saying all along Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #11
Just realized that they already passed Morales proposal flamingdem Jul 2013 #18
Morales really milked this one. Credit where credit is due! Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #22
Y'know you're right. He made out on this one and got his resolution passed flamingdem Jul 2013 #26
Sorry. You have the story wrong. I have posted the truth so many times. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33
And some of us appreciate that you posted it... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #48
Yuck it up, everyday you look sillier. morningfog Jul 2013 #51
What was France's "technical" error MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #14
I read at the time that the plane was unknown, that they thought there were 2 planes flamingdem Jul 2013 #19
So they decided to ask France's president what to do? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #20
No, he was wringing his handkerchief after the fact, in a CYA move. MADem Jul 2013 #23
So, just to make sure I'm straight... MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #24
No--Hollande's "apology" came after Morales had already landed in Vienna, MADem Jul 2013 #29
So France did deny overflight, then reversed itself but it doesn't count MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #30
You can read as well as anyone else here. Do give it another go. MADem Jul 2013 #41
It tends to get complex with all that lying. Bonobo Jul 2013 #43
Monsieur Hollande, c'est vous? Otherwise, how would you know... nt MADem Jul 2013 #44
What - You don't believe in backsies? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #49
Oops. Spain: " Reason we delayed plane was a tip from US" HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #34
Oops, that's from a Reuters article that has G-M speaking Latin. Until a full quote is provided... KittyWampus Jul 2013 #35
You think an intl news agency like Reuters doesn't have translators? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #38
What you said Caretha Jul 2013 #52
Old news by now - good to see you're catching up bit by flamingdem Jul 2013 #36
I cannot believe anyone is offering this for the truth of the matter cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #37
The accused countries refuse to apologize flamingdem Jul 2013 #39
KKK to Black people: We're not racists, just proud of being White. Bonobo Jul 2013 #40
You need a link--in more ways than one. nt MADem Jul 2013 #42
maybe one is missing? n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #45
Uh... They Lie because they're afraid the NSA *might* SPY on them! Amonester Jul 2013 #46
I'm getting tired of you repeating yourself too. morningfog Jul 2013 #50
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. to be fair, it isn't nothing. Morales and Venezuela have every right to be indignant and demand
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jul 2013

answers. Unfortunately, I think there will be a lot of conflicting answers.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
25. Morales
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:40 AM
Jul 2013

gee-whiz , your hero Evo is disclosed as a LIAR . but but but ...... To you , everyone else is lying , of course . Sometimes its hard to face the truth about a paper tiger , I know .

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. My understanding was from reading foreign newspapers at the time, that these countries
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:00 AM
Jul 2013

wanted to condition Morales' overflight and refueling stop in the Canary Islands on being allowed to search Morales' plane. That would have been a violation of diplomatic conventions that are very well established and have been for many, many years.

That was the problem. Morales did not want to allow a foreign country to search his plane. Morales is quite right on that issue. He enjoyed diplomatic immunity for his plane and its contents.

We would not want some country insisting on searching Obama's plane in exchange for permitting refueling or overflight.

This was a diplomatic insult to the country of Bolivia and not just to Morales as an individual.

The Interior Minister of Austria stated, according to Die Presse, a reputable Austrian newspaper, that Ambassador Eacho from the US told her that Snowden was aboard Morales' plane.

These stories are true. Morales would have nothing to gain by making the up. Another Austrian newspaper, Der Standard, printed a lot of pictures of Morales and his staff, etc. while waiting in the Austrian airport. Morales looked relaxed and cool. He always does, but his minister with him looked furious. This was a diplomatic scandal and rightfully so.

If our government is not doing anything wrong, why is it trying so hard to hide what it is doing?

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
5. It's amazing the chaos caused by Eddie Snowden
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jul 2013

This week simply due to the Bolivian plane incident two major meetings were called.

The OAS had to convoke a special emergency session with the US Canada and all EU countries involved participating

What's next!

Morales may get what he wants, a condemnation, but from here it's face saving.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
47. I know, the devil made them do it.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jul 2013

They detained his flight because the devil made them, and Snowden is really Satan.

Isn't that what you're trying to say?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Evo liked the attention...so he's flogging the issue to get a bit more.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jul 2013
"Ooooh, everybody knows my NAME, now!!!"



He lacks an essential sense of timing--this thing is pretty much played out, and he's beating a dead horse.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
6. It sure looks like he's trying to gain status
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jul 2013

but boy he's making people jump on planes -- first to the UNASUR meeting and now the OAS special session.

For that reason I predict they will concoct a face saving resolution to end this tomorrow.

They won't make him look bad, but the Europeans won't give him apologies either.

I'm trying to think of the word that describes this en espanol

Porqueria isn't right.

Una locura maybe, but there are better words.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
15. I'm listening to the session
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:19 AM
Jul 2013

Just a bit, so much blah blah. En espanol which I get the impression you speak since you nailed the right term! He really did get support. I thought that there would be a vote but it was already decided that it would pass, the discussion was a formality.

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Ugh, painful!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:47 AM
Jul 2013

I skipped through it and it's the same florid whining, over and over again. 25 minutes was more than enough! I couldn't take any more~!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. Did you watch the video on DU from the UNASUR meeting. The members of the UNASUR
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:06 AM
Jul 2013

were very angry. This was a terrible insult to all South American leaders.

We have given asylum to so many South Americans who were wanted, sometimes for killings, in their countries. We certainly should not be complaining if some other country wants to give asylum to someone that we want to arrest for a nonviolent crime.

This does not look good for the US. Makes us look like we think we have the moral high ground.

If there is any truth at all in what Snowden has said about our surveillance program, its breadth, its lack of focus, we have no moral high ground left at all.

This is a low point in our history. I thought we could not get any lower than Iraq.

People expect these kinds of violations of human rights in countries like Russia, Chechnya, Saudia Arabia and China, etc. But we are supposed to be better than this.

I am so disappointed in my country.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
8. I don't know if he is beating a dead horse or not.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

It seems to me he wants to appear on "Bolivians Have Talent", the new hit sensation sweeping the nation.

Maybe he'll do the "Gangnam-style" dance.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
12. "He's a narcissiiiiiiiist!"
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jul 2013

Joining the great and vast lexicon of other narcissists who conveniently also don't agree with you.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. Edward Snowden’s Parasites: Evo Morales, Julian Assange & More
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jul 2013
The NSA drama has reeled in a host of global grandstanders desperate for relevancy. Michael Moynihan on the Bolivian farce, the WikiLeaks sideshow, and other yanqui ‘victims.’


... a story this big, this consequential, needs a dramatis personae of dramatic people. So let’s offer Snowden a brief respite from the spotlight, pretend his motives are either pure or of little consequence, and instead turn our gaze toward those grandstanding politicians and activists demanding that our hero be left alone and all attention refocused on them.

After a few weeks of hypocritical outrage and bluster from Ecuador, Cuba, and every other recent recipient of Venezuelan largesse, the media gaggle has shifted to the blustering and outraged Bolivians. According to the Bolivian government, President Evo Morales’s plane, traveling from Moscow to La Paz, was diverted to Austria after rumors percolated that Snowden was on board. He wasn’t. Morales was said to have been “humiliated” by the unplanned stopover, the victim of yet another yanqui affront to Latin American sovereignty.

Indeed, the wonderful benefit of being a small, Hugo Chávez–influenced Latin American country is that employing measured language of diplomacy pays fewer dividends than unrestrained populist rage, something that one doesn’t frequently hear from the Obama administration. As Chávez well understood—having learned it from Fidel Castro—blame for any problem or self-inflicted disaster is best transferred to the malevolent agents of Washington imperialism.

As the plane drama unfolded, Bolivian Vice President Álvaro García Linera bellowed that Morales had been “kidnapped by imperialism” in an “act of imperial arrogance.” Upon returning to a “hero’s welcome” in La Paz, Morales also blamed “North American imperialism” for the flight rerouting. Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa tweeted that “either we graduated from being colonies, or we must claim our independence, sovereignty, and dignity.” Argentinian President Cristina Kirchner blamed the “vestiges of colonialism,” and live-tweeted her attempt at “diplomacy” with Austria (no grandstanding in that). Not one to be outdone, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Elías Jaua called the incident “totalitarian” and “fascist.”

A bit disproportionate, sure, but a clever way of staying relevant for a group of nations suddenly bereft of their charismatic leader—and stuck with his incompetent, unpopular, and charisma-deprived successor, Nicolas Maduro. But was anyone in the media, those spouting off on Twitter, attempting to verify the Bolivian story? After hours of assured reporting on the subject, fed to the media by Morales’s allies, the picture of imperialismo estadounidense became slightly cloudy. Much of the original narrative didn’t make sense (The Atlantic parsed the available information, concluding that the “tale of the re-routed Bolivian president’s plane is falling apart”). The story was complicated by a few important details: Morales’s plane didn’t leave from the airport housing Snowden but one on the other side of Moscow. There is also the emergence of an audio recording of the Bolivian pilot telling an air-traffic controller that “we need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication—we need to land.”



Don't cry for me, Bolivia...or Venezuela...or Argentina!

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
27. They did well, I'm beginning to be appreciate their audacity
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jul 2013

“kidnapped by imperialism”

There are lines in this that should go down in pop political history.

At the end of this we'll have a book!

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
3. Thanks for the accurate info. I don't click on the other links, but I imagine
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:49 AM
Jul 2013

their sources aren't as credible.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
7. Thanks, it's funny to have competing threads on these
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jul 2013

issues. Everything about this story has many layers of intrique. We still don't know how it will turn out, but having the facts more or less make it even more interesting.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
11. Something I've been saying all along
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jul 2013

- Pilot reports technical issues while plane is over Austria. Listen to the audio.
- Plane turns around and lands at the airport in Vienna. It did NOT circle Vienna. See the flight map.
- Austrian airport officials board plane which is standard procedure, especially when a plane makes an unscheduled stop DUE TO TECHNICAL ISSUES. They DID NOT conduct a full search of the plane.
- At no point were they looking for Snowden.
- Morales takes buddy buddy pictures with the Austrian President and they're smiling and laughing away. I got pics
- Plane leaves for Bolivia

It's utterly amazing how people bought the bullshit hook, line and sinker. My guess is that Western European countries just wanted to ignore it and hope it will go away, but leaders of certain South American countries were flogging it to death.

Morales invented this for domestic consumption and so did other leaders. Morales is the same guy who said the US poisoned Chavez. So many people got taken for a ride. It's hilarious!!!

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
18. Just realized that they already passed Morales proposal
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:24 AM
Jul 2013

But the USA and Canada said with objections. Morales had also asked for an apology, but no way Jose on that, the countries wouldn't do that except France as a formality.

There was an issue of a right wing Spanish ambassador in Vienna who showed up and tried to insert himself into the fray. That's where you have to wonder about the initial rumors that started this chaos.

Morales is now world famous however, we gotta give him mucho credito!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
22. Morales really milked this one. Credit where credit is due!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jul 2013

When he landed in Bolivia, they showered him with flowers.

This whole thing is just hilarious.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
26. Y'know you're right. He made out on this one and got his resolution passed
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jul 2013

against the whole world basically.

adelante Evooooooo!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. Sorry. You have the story wrong. I have posted the truth so many times.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:12 AM
Jul 2013

Once again. Here goes what happened in Vienna from the mouth of the Interior Minister in Austria. She is a member of the OVP, the conservative party there and has no reason to lie or exaggerate.

The Falcon 900 should never have flown over Austria. But then the pilot supposedly reported problems with the gas gauge and requested permission to land in Vienna's Schwechat airport. On board the plane which was coming from Moskow and on which was written, "multinational state of Bolivia": President Evo Morales.

It landed around 11 P.M. Soon thereafter, the Vienna foreign ministry received an urgent call. On the other end of the line: US Ambassador William Eacho. As Die Presse discovered, he claimed with great certainty that Edward Snowden, the person sought by the US for having uncovered the most recent surveillance scandal was on board (the plane). Eacho referred to a diplomatic note in which the USA requested the extradition of Snowden.

Die Falcon 900 hätte Österreich nur überfliegen sollen. Doch dann meldeten die Piloten angeblich Probleme mit der Treibstoffanzeige und baten um Landeerlaubnis in Wien-Schwechat. An Bord der aus Moskau kommenden Maschine mit der Aufschrift "Estado plurinacional de Bolivia": Präsident Evo Morales.

Sie landete gegen 23 Uhr. Kurz danach ging im Wiener Außenamt ein dringlicher Anruf ein. Am anderen Ende der Leitung: US-Botschafter William Eacho. Wie "Die Presse" erfuhr, behauptete er mit großer Bestimmtheit, dass Edward Snowden an Bord sei, der von den USA gesuchte Aufdecker jüngster Abhörskandale. Eacho habe auf eine diplomatische Note verwiesen, in der die USA die Auslieferung Snowdens verlangten.

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1426275/USA-verlangten-von-Wien-Snowdens-Auslieferung

Morales could not finish his trip with stopping to refuel. That is why the pilot changed the message. He needed to convey the urgency of landing to refuel.

Morales spent about 13 hours in the Vienna airport and insists that he did not permit anyone to search his plane.

Violet_Crumble

(35,980 posts)
48. And some of us appreciate that you posted it...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:55 AM
Jul 2013

You and I have rarely disagreed on anything at DU, but on this we see eye-to-eye. Thanks for the information you've been posting

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
14. What was France's "technical" error
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jul 2013

that had to be reversed by the President of the country? Transmitting on the wrong frequency?

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
19. I read at the time that the plane was unknown, that they thought there were 2 planes
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jul 2013

That they didn't know who it was - remember it was a rented plane.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. No, he was wringing his handkerchief after the fact, in a CYA move.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jul 2013

He wasn't even in France at the time--he was in Belgium.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
24. So, just to make sure I'm straight...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:40 AM
Jul 2013

France's President apologized for delaying Morales until he personally decided to let him fly over, but that never happened - the most logical answer is that the President was just being nice by agreeing with Morales' lie, not that he and Morales are both telling the truth.

And as proof, Hollande was in Belgium at the time, and this couldn't be reached - perhaps they haven't invented telecommunications in Belgium.

Seems pretty airtight.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. No--Hollande's "apology" came after Morales had already landed in Vienna,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:51 AM
Jul 2013

because his pilot said they needed fuel. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/03/evo-morales-controversial-flight-over-europe-minute-by-heavily-disputed-minute/

French narrative: They had permission, but maybe not at first
The European countries accused by Morales of diverting his flight and doing the United States’ bidding have not been particularly talkative. France has issued the most information but it has also been difficult to parse.
French government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem said, “France ended up authorizing the flight over its airspace by Mr. Morales’ plane.” But, according to the Associated Press, she would not say whether France had initially refused.
“There was contradictory information about the identity of the passengers aboard one or two aircraft, because there was also a doubt about the number of planes that wanted to fly over France,” French President Francois Hollande said in Germany, apparently allowing the possibility that the flight had been denied permission. “As soon as I knew that it was the plane of Bolivia’s president, I immediately gave my authorization for the overflight.”

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
30. So France did deny overflight, then reversed itself but it doesn't count
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jul 2013

because the President apologized after Morales was on the ground?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. You can read as well as anyone else here. Do give it another go.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:29 AM
Jul 2013
French narrative: They had permission, but maybe not at first

They had conflicting information--they thought (and who would have told them? The Bolivian pilots? Could they have confused the varying flight plans that the Bolivians had filed over the previous several days, where they demanded to land in Lisbon, and Portugal said no, no, and no because there was a labor issue at the airport?) that there were TWO planes.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
49. What - You don't believe in backsies?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jul 2013

What rational adult doesn't believe in backsies?

France denied passage to the Bolivian President's plane initially, and then while the pilot was scrambling to find an alternate route to the Atlantic, Francy Holland muttered "Je le reprends" under his breath. A clear and indisputable Backsie. Ergo, it. never. happened.

Besides, how do you know M. le President Hollande didn't have his fingers crossed THE WHOLE TIME??? You don't know that. That would change everything.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. Oops, that's from a Reuters article that has G-M speaking Latin. Until a full quote is provided...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:19 AM
Jul 2013

that Reuters article is bullshit as I pointed out.

It entirely hinges on one -latin- word he supposedly spoke and gives no context. (Inter alia)

While Spanish/Spanish speaking news has him saying the alert came from inside Europe. (Inter area)

Now if you or your clique can find the transcript or the footage of the press conference…and he does indeed say it came from the USA I will very happily concede the point.

I am not in a pissing match. I'm trying to find out WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
38. You think an intl news agency like Reuters doesn't have translators?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jul 2013

And you are a better translator than theirs? Perhaps you should apply for a job...assuming you're a better translator than cartographer.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
52. What you said
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

Now that was funny.

Looking for a smilie, oh never mind, they all are looking a little over used lately.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
37. I cannot believe anyone is offering this for the truth of the matter
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jul 2013

It is of interest as a diplomatic story, but nobody actually believes there was no action/direction/interference.

And it is sort of creepy to see people claiming to believe things in which they cannot possibly, seemingly in hopes that their feigned belief will convince some dupe somewhere to believe it for real.

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
39. The accused countries refuse to apologize
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:26 AM
Jul 2013

That should tell you something.

Not going to clean this up but you get the idea. Kangaroo court accusation.

USA & Canada at #OAS: it's inappropiate to draw conclusions when case is unclear. This issue only concerns #Bolivia & 4 European countries.
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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
40. KKK to Black people: We're not racists, just proud of being White.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jul 2013

The KKK in Virginia is using Obama’s presidency to recruit new members and they say it’s working brilliantly, more than doubling their membership to the largest the group has been in a century. Oh, and they’re not a hate group and how could you possibly think they are?

“Since Obama’s first term our numbers have doubled and now that we’re headed to a second term it’s going to triple, this is going to be the biggest resurgence of the Klan since 1915,” said one of the Klansmen interviewed.

The Klansman have been handing out flyers in a Mechanicsville neighborhood, and neighbors who received them have contacted CBS 6.
“We’re not trying to target anybody or scare anybody with hate, we’re just using our freedom of speech to drop fliers,” said one of the Klansmen interviewed.

“Everyone thinks that we’re a hate group, we’re not a hate group, we don’t hate anyone, and we want to see good things come to our race.”

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
46. Uh... They Lie because they're afraid the NSA *might* SPY on them!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:02 AM
Jul 2013

The KKK *not a hate group* !11!!!111

Yeah, rrrrrrrrrRRRRRRight...

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
50. I'm getting tired of you repeating yourself too.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jul 2013

Especially when it is all willful ignorance at best, but turning quickly to lies.

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