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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's what the Snowden videos did
1) They reinforced Snowden as the story, providing insights into his background, thinking and world view.
Eight key quotes from the new Snowden video
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/08/eight_key_quotes_from_the_new_snowden_video/singleton/
Here are examples.
2) They revived the already debunked claims. Reports are focusing on "direct access" as a key piece of information, again.
Snowden claims Web companies gave NSA 'direct access' to systems in new video clip
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/309667-snowden-claims-web-companies-gave-nsa-direct-access-to-the-back-ends-of-systems-in-new-video-clip
Remember this interview took place before the claims were debunked. He has yet to back up that claim.
Der Spiegel: Do private companies help the NSA? Snowden: Yes. But it's hard to prove that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023195588
He also hasn't produced any proof of wrongdoing. In fact, his leak shows exactly the opposite.
By SCOTT SHANE
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On Thursday, in the latest release of documents supplied by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor now believed to be hiding in Hong Kong, The Guardian published two documents setting out the detailed rules governing the agencys intercepts...They show, for example, that N.S.A. officers who intercept an American online or on the phone say, while monitoring the phone or e-mail of a foreign diplomat or a suspected terrorist can preserve the recording or transcript if they believe the contents include foreign intelligence information or evidence of a possible crime. They can likewise preserve the intercept if it contains information on a threat of serious harm to life or property or sheds light on technical issues like encryption or vulnerability to cyberattacks.
And while N.S.A. analysts usually have to delete Americans names from the reports they write, there are numerous exceptions, including cases where there is evidence that the American in the intercept is working for a terrorist group, foreign country or foreign corporation.
The documents, classified Secret, describe the procedures for eavesdropping under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act, including an N.S.A. program called Prism that mines Internet communications using services including Gmail and Facebook. They are likely to add fuel for both sides of the debate over the proper limits of the governments surveillance programs.
They offer a glimpse of a rule-bound intelligence bureaucracy that is highly sensitive to the distinction between foreigners and U.S. persons, which technically include not only American citizens and legal residents but American companies and nonprofit organizations as well. The two sets of rules, each nine pages long, belie the image of a rogue intelligence agency recklessly violating Americans privacy.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/us/politics/documents-detail-nsa-surveillance-rules.html
Today, in the latest release of classified NSA documents from Glenn Greenwald, we finally got a look at these minimization procedures. Here's the nickel summary:
The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.
I have a feeling it must have killed Glenn to write that paragraph. But on paper, anyway, the minimization procedures really are pretty strict. If NSA discovers that it's mistakenly collected domestic content, it's required to cease the surveillance immediately and destroy the information it's already collected. However, there are exceptions. They can:
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023060180
WaPo: New documents reveal parameters of NSAs secret surveillance programs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023058091
I have gone through the Snowden slides about as well as anyone could...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023187725
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)would be to take his technology away:
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It would hurt him if yall just ignored him and never posted in another Snowden thread. Yall just keep posting and posting every little thing about Snowden you can find and then gibber-jabber about him, keeping him in the public eye.
And we freedom lovers love you doing so.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)When he goes back to texting the person sitting next to him on the couch.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)and look what the "liberally-biased media" does ...
Galraedia
(5,026 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The psychological makeup of this 30-year old is fascinating.
He thinks he is fooling us into believeing what he is saying now is how he really feels, but it doesn't jive with statements he made just 5 years ago.
He's a playa, and not a very good one.
His future is not all that bright, which is why he doesn't wear his sunglasses at night.
msongs
(67,420 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Deflect from the real crimes by making this all about Edward Snowden. He's fighting an up hill battle because it is all about the crimes our government is doing. All Snowden is doing is pointing them out.
Most of the world does not read DU, so the OP is just shouting in a barrel.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Deflect from the real crimes by making this all about Edward Snowden. "
...you may not have noticed the point in the OP that addresses the fact that Snowden has yet to produce evidence of wrongdoing.
So: what "real crimes"?
RC
(25,592 posts)Just because you refuse to see the evidence... What's in it for you anyway?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)cuts, copies, pastes, and blue links.
It's in the manual somewhere...
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)It was a bad move on his part.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)If he'd remained anonymous, folks would be feverishly posting that it should be dismissed as an anonymous source.
"If he'd remained anonymous, folks would be feverishly posting that it should be dismissed as an anonymous source."
...there were those who gave Anonymous credit for Obama winning re-election.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Was that a major thing on DU?
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font]
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Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)It's not about the man, it's about the message.
And it's not about the evidence, it's about believing the message, with your whole heart and soul, and never asking for 'the evidence' - because there isn't any.
For the Snow-jobbed, evidence of his claims is irrelevant. Along with the truth.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)It is the evidence to support his allegations about the NSA that is non-existent.
But you knew that already - or should have.
RC
(25,592 posts)Everyone already knows who he is and what he looks like.
randome
(34,845 posts)Can we get some clarity from Mr. Snowden? Not a chance!
Clarity and nuance are for losers, apparently.
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[font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font]
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gholtron
(376 posts)They can never show you links to video or documents where Snowden, aka traitor, has shown any evidence of wrong doing. They hear the phrase "N.S.A collection of records" and without any investigations, they assume the worse. I watched a video on CNN of what the traitor said. He said, something like he wants to live in a world where he can talk freely and express ideas and love without the government collecting data from him or spying on him. But at the same time, he applied to countries like China, Russia, Germany, (in which he released information that they were also spying). Do they not get that? If he truly wants to live in a country that don't spy on their citizens then why the hell would he apply to live there? I truly believe that Snowden wants to start some sort of public uprising similar to that of what's going on in Egypt. He wants people to get so furious that they will march on Washington or start another Occupy in which he will be the chosen one to lead. The problem is, outside of DU, many people don't care. You are doing a noble thing of displaying all the truth. The traitor's followers will never grasp it.
RC
(25,592 posts)There is more than enough proof that is wrong.
gholtron
(376 posts)but please use some creditable sources. And yes this government has done some evil and I can give you evidence of that and I have protested against it too.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Do you approve of the state, in this instance the NSA, spying on its citizens?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)understand?
He said it himself FFS!!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Why so quick to deflect from a simple question?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Go find yourself hijacking this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023169023
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)it happened again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023169023#post152
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)That massive domestic spying is ok? The President is just a victim of circumstance? We do not love the President as much as you? What is it you want?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I am trying to understand the end game of these posts. Are you going to convince us of what?"
...post my opinons and other information just like every other poster here.
Hope that clears it up for you.