Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden "Satisfied" by Global Outrage over U.S. Surveillance Operations

[ProSense]

Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden "Satisfied" by Global Outrage over U.S. Surveillance Operations

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AMY GOODMAN: What, Glenn, is Edward Snowden most encouraged by as he follows the debates and the continued revelations online?

GLENN GREENWALD: The very first conversation I ever had with him, Amy, online, he said that his only fear—he only had one fear, and that was that he would sacrifice his life and take these enormous personal risks in order to make these disclosures possible, and then have the world react with indifference and apathy, a kind of fear that they would just simply say, "OK, well, I assumed this was happening, and I don’t really mind." None of that has happened. There’s been an incredibly intense debate inside the United States over these disclosures, all kinds of movements of reform, movements against the United States government, and in many, many other countries around the world, as we previously discussed. So he feels like what he set out to do is exactly what has happened. He said he didn’t set out to destroy these systems—that’s not his place; he set out to make people around the world realize what the United States’s government is doing to them, to enable them to decide whether that’s the kind of thing they are willing to tolerate. And he sees those debates happening, and he’s extremely enthused and satisfied that his objective has been fulfilled.

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http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/7/8/glenn_greenwald_edward_snowden_satisfied_by_global_outrage_over_us_surveillance_operations

There you have it. The goal was to spark international outrage against the United States.

A big "FU" to the United States by other countries?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023185307

Snowden affair clouds U.S. attempts to press China to curb cyber theft
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023202232

[MjolnirTime]

1. What petty little men!

Did you get enough attention yet?!?!

They deserve the prison cells that await them.

[Whisp]

3. They are the Deciders, evidently. Self elected.

Two stupid heat/attention seeking assholes.

Send them both up and throw away the key. Dangerous fuckheads.

[MjolnirTime]

16. naivety and idealism are a volatile mix.

[Bonobo]

59. NAIVETE and Nationalism are a natural mix.

Like peanut butter and jelly.

"Get a brain, morans!"

[Luminous Animal]

2. Did Snowden or Greenwald use the word outrage? I don't see that in the transcript at all.

It appears the use of the word is Demcracy Now!'s interpretation unless it's in the audio and wasn't transcribed.

[MjolnirTime]

6. they seem to lean more towards poutrage.

[Luminous Animal]

7. Can you show me where Greenwald used the word outrage? Because I see in nowhere in the transcript.

[ProSense]

10. Call Democracy Now and complain about its headline. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

14. I sent an email. But since now you know, are you going to change your conclusions to an erroneous

headline?

[ProSense]

21. Wait

"I sent an email. But since now you know, are you going to change your conclusions to an erroneous headline? "

...WTF? It's the headline, and I can see how DN came up with it based on the question and response.

If they change it, I will change it. Until then, it's really hilarious that you're upset by the word "outrage," especially since that's all that's being reported: how other countries are outraged.

[Luminous Animal]

26. What you said

"There you have it. The goal was to spark international outrage against the United States"

What Greenwald said, "he set out to make people around the world realize what the United States’s government is doing to them, to enable them to decide whether that’s the kind of thing they are willing to tolerate."

There is nothing at all that alludes to outrage against the U.S. A citizenry can be informed and make sensible decisions without being outraged.

[ProSense]

27. Yes,

What you said

"There you have it. The goal was to spark international outrage against the United States"

What Greenwald said, "he set out to make people around the world realize what the United States’s government is doing to them, to enable them to decide whether that’s the kind of thing they are willing to tolerate."

There is nothing at all that alludes to outrage against the U.S. A citizenry can be informed and make sensible decisions without being outraged.

...based on the title. Like I said, It's the headline, and I can see how DN came up with it based on the question and response.

If they change it, I will change it. Until then, it's really hilarious that you're upset by the word "outrage," especially since that's all that's being reported: how other countries are outraged.

Also, what do you think he meant by "set out to make people around the world realize what the United States’s government is doing to them"?

Do you think his goal was to spark celebration?

[randome]

44. "Inform"? You have got to be kidding.

Snowden made stupid, ridiculous claims.

He can personally spy on the President? No evidence!

The NSA has direct access to the world's Internet providers? No evidence!

The NSA is watching our thoughts form as we type? No evidence!

The NSA is downloading the Internet on a daily basis? No evidence!

And another one of my favorites: Snowden said he "saw things". We will never know what that means because he won't say!

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[grasswire]

47. you, too, have a problem with attention to detail.

Snowden said that he could "spy" [your word] on the POTUS IF HE HAD AN EMAIL ADDRESS.

That's quite different from your "He can personally spy on the President."

Egad.

[randome]

49. He used the word 'personally'. Watch the video.

And we're supposed to take his word for that without the slightest shred of evidence, right?

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[grasswire]

51. Geez, it isn't the word "personally" that's the problem.

The problem is your word "can." Unqualified by Snowden's further words "if I had....."

[randome]

57. He had the authorities to wiretap anyone, he said.

Yes, he said he needed an email address. Do you think he could have picked an email address for someone in the government to support that assertion?

I don't know, doesn't the government have some public email addresses? You bet they do!

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[grasswire]

60. Futile. Attention to detail is futile, I see. nt

[randome]

58. But if it sounds more accurate, I'll change that bit to this.

He can use an email address to personally spy on anyone? No evidence!

He's still full of hot air and too many people fell for it.

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[grasswire]

33. ProSense repeatedly has some trouble with definitions...

....and editorial boundaries.

[ProSense]

42. grasswire, I think some people use that claim to avoid dealing with the facts. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

54. Apparently, she didn't read the transcript because she drew a conclusion

with no evidence to support it.

[Bolo Boffin]

86. "repeated the conclusion drawn by Democracy Now in their headline"

I think you meant to say.

[flamingdem]

4. So he was on a "world tour" not just concerned about his fellow Americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_syndrome

The hero syndrome is a phenomenon affecting people who seek heroism or recognition, usually by creating a desperate situation which they can resolve. This can include unlawful acts, such as arson. The phenomenon has been noted to affect civil servants, such as firefighters, nurses, police officers, and security guards. Acts linked with the hero syndrome should not be confused with acts of malicious intent, such as revenge on the part of a suspended firefighter or an insatiable level of excitement, as was found in a federal study of more than 75 firefighter arsonists.[1] However, acts of the hero syndrome have been linked to previously failed heroism. The hero syndrome may also be a more general yearning for self-worth.[2]

[cali]

5. It often takes outrage to effect change.

you seem to think there's something dreadfully wrong with outrage.

[Luminous Animal]

9. As far as I can tell, neither Greenwald himself or representing Snowden's mindset, used the word

outrage.

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. You Better Believe It!

[cali]

20. lol. I'm not even willing to dignify that poster's silliness with a response

let me just say: good grief.

[MjolnirTime]

23. then you might have to explain your motives. wouldn't want that.

[cali]

85. what motives, sweetie? I'm a democrat. I support my democratic reps in Congress

and my socialist Senator. I have always voted for a dem for Prez and will continue doing so. Now, run along.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. Perhaps you should alert? I know how easily offended you can be.

[cali]

84. I rarely alert.

[JaneyVee]

8. When he gets to Venezuela I'm sure he's going to release a bombshell about

Their Governments incessant surveillance state as well before fleeing to Uzbekistan

[MjolnirTime]

13. He'll never make it.

[CakeGrrl]

12. Spoke to him...how? Computer? Phone?

Well, does the NSA know what was ACTUALLY said?

[treestar]

64. The NSA should have a transcript

after all, they are "spying on Americans!"

[ucrdem]

71. bwahah

[randome]

72. ALL Americans ALL the time!

But for a single email address, Eddie could have proved it to us, too!

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[railsback]

15. So, take note, all you 'its not about the messenger' people..

It is ALL about them.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Exactly. This was about getting attention for GeeGee and ASSange.

[MjolnirTime]

22. They remind me of Reality TV "Stars".

They didn't deserve the attention in the first place.

But they'll revel in it like happy little pigs in shit.

[muriel_volestrangler]

89. No, if ProSense posts yet another thread about Snowden

that does not show, in any sense at all, that "It is ALL about them". How the hell can you imagine that it does? Your post dis completely illogical.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. So that was his objective...says Greenwald

Interesting.

[allin99]

25. If my goal was to let people know the truth, i'd be pretty satisfied too, cuz the cats...

are certainly all out of the bag.

'cept, one thing doesn't make sense to me, but i'll leave that to another thread, cuz i can see where this one is going.

[DesMoinesDem]

28. Time to get a dictionary ProSense. Informed doesn't mean the same as outraged.

[ProSense]

30. I know,

"Time to get a dictionary ProSense. Informed doesn't mean the same as outraged."

...but do you think Democracy Now knows? I mean, I'm sure "he set out to make people around the world realize what the United States’s government is doing to them, to enable them to decide whether that’s the kind of thing they are willing to tolerate," and the goal of that was to spark a celebration of the U.S.

[burnodo]

38. Democracy Now knows

knows much more than thee

[ProSense]

52. Hence the headline, right? n/t

[Luminous Animal]

56. Really. Because the word is nowhere in the transcript.

Either someone at Democracy Now has a piss poor vocabulary or that person has an agenda.

[Life Long Dem]

29. What debate?

Running around with your hair on fire screaming the sky is falling is not a debate. If a debate is actually started, it is shut down when facts of law come into play. And we go back to the screaming again. This has been going on for over a month now. Where is the debate for solving whatever is going on within the NSA?

[ProSense]

31. Exactly, and

"Running around with your hair on fire screaming the sky is falling is not a debate. If a debate is actually started, it is shut down when facts of law come into play. And we go back to the screaming again. This has been going on for over a month now. Where is the debate for solving whatever is going on within the NSA?"

..."hair on fire screaming the sky is falling" is all they can do because they're short on evidence to support their claims: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023195588

[christx30]

32. That will happen in court

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014530651

Would that have happened in the absence of Snowden? More than likely not.
We all kind of knew this kind of thing was happening.
But there is a difference between "I think my husband is cheating on me" and "my friend Sally showed me several PowerPoint presentations with pictures of my husband screwing the babysitter and details of how they have kept the affair secret for the last 12 years."

[ProSense]

35. Actually,

That will happen in court

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014530651

Would that have happened in the absence of Snowden? More than likely not.
We all kind of knew this kind of thing was happening.
But there is a difference between "I think my husband is cheating on me" and "my friend Sally showed me several PowerPoint presentations with pictures of my husband screwing the babysitter and details of how they have kept the affair secret for the last 12 years."

EPIC was doing this long before Snowden. They're taking advantage of the current focus, but Snowden can't even support his own claims.

[Life Long Dem]

36. We kind of knew?

We knew.

NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

more... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

[treestar]

66. + 1 zillion

[muriel_volestrangler]

90. Conyers-Amash anti-surveillance bill:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023197431

Wyden has shown that Clapper lied to Congress. Doesn't it concern you that the Director of National Intelligence, an ex-VP of Booz Allen Hamilton, lied to Congress about his job?

You could start a petition for Clapper to be fired.

[Life Long Dem]

92. Maybe one should first ask Wyden for Clapper's dismissal or to resign

Since it is said that Wyden has shown that Clapper lied to Congress. You would think Wyden would have acted on this.

[muriel_volestrangler]

93. If you're that apathetic, yes, let one senator do it all for you

Wyden 'deeply troubled' by Clapper's domestic-spying lie

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., is "deeply troubled" by the top U.S. intelligence figure's public lie about domestic spying on Americans, the senator's office said.

Wyden said National Intelligence Director James Clapper's office within days admitted privately Clapper lied in public testimony at an open congressional hearing March 12, but Clapper refused to acknowledge this formally to the committee for 14 weeks.
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"Senator Wyden is deeply troubled by a number of misleading statements senior officials have made about domestic surveillance in the past several years," Wyden spokesman Tom Caiazza said.

"He will continue pushing for an open and honest debate about programs and laws that touch on the personal lives of ordinary Americans," Caiazza told British newspaper The Guardian, which along with The Washington Post has extensively reported on Snowden's NSA surveillance leaks.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/07/02/Wyden-deeply-troubled-by-Clappers-domestic-spying-lie/UPI-69721372748400/

You know what? You, as a citizen, are allowed to express something that hasn't been expressed by a senator, yet. Are you happy that Clapper lied to Congress to cover up the spying on US citizens?

[Bobbie Jo]

98. Thank you. nt

[whatchamacallit]

34. Good, the more "outrage" the better!

Let the servile tools howl.

[Bobbie Jo]

45. WT ever loving F is a "servile tool?"

[flamingdem]

53. One of these maybe?

[whatchamacallit]

62. Obedient tools of the empire

Check your mirror

[Bobbie Jo]

96. .

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[burnodo]

37. ugh

[L0oniX]

39. The United States deserves it.

[Scurrilous]

40. LOL

"...his only fear—he only had one fear, and that was that he would sacrifice his life and take these enormous personal risks in order to make these disclosures possible, and then have the world react with indifference and apathy, a kind of fear that they would just simply say, "OK, well, I assumed this was happening, and I don’t really mind." None of that has happened."

Just wait. Indifference is coming, if not already here.

I was making a cup of tea today and thought to myself.."What ever happened to Honey Boo-Boo?" "You don't hear much about her lately."

Cash in quick Edward, find asylum, live Gangnam Style.

[Amonester]

67. It's all about HIM, His life, His love, His

non-existent evidence

hence, His babbles

[blm]

41. And the Bushes are laughing their asses off, yet again. Another Dem president thwarted

from advancing a relationship with China - Bush family has again successfully protected their role as the dominant powerbroker in China, just as they have for the last 4 decades. Greenwald and Snowden were used - whether they realize it or not.

[msanthrope]

87. And there you have it. Follow the money. nt

[randome]

43. Snowden also said "I am not here to hide from justice."

That one always cracks me up!

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[Luminous Animal]

69. Could you provide a link to that quote?

Because I have looked here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

Here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/edward-snowden-worst-fear-not-realised

And here: (full transcript)
http://www.policymic.com/articles/47355/edward-snowden-interview-transcript-full-text-read-the-guardian-s-entire-interview-with-the-man-who-leaked-prism

Granted, he may had said it elsewhere and if so, could you provide the link?

[randome]

70. In Hong Kong. The link itself has those words.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/12/snowden-tells-chinese-newspaper-i-am-not-here-to-hide-from-justice/

“People who think I made a mistake in picking Hong Kong as a location misunderstand my intentions,” Snowden told the South China Morning Post in an interview published Wednesday. “I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality.”

I wonder if he thinks it was a mistake now.

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[Luminous Animal]

78. Apparently, he meant the justice that he felt would be delivered by the Hong Kong courts...

not the US.

Did you read the original article?
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259422/edward-snowden-let-hong-kong-people-decide-my-fate

[randome]

88. You're really looking for an out, aren't you?

With either interpretation, Snowden clearly did not mean what he said any more than he meant what he said about NSA spying.

He said stuff, he ran. Can't get much more cowardly than that.

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[msongs]

46. sparking outrage is not a crime nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. Tsk. Tsk. How dare people and the world be outraged at our spying on them.

Ingrates! Don't they realize that we're doing if for their own good and because the nice people at NSA really respect them?

[struggle4progress]

50. It's interesting that libertarian Greenwald has been in touch with libertarian Fein

to discuss libertarian Snowden: it's almost sounds like a national meeting of the libertarian party

From the article linked in the OP: "I actually had the opportunity to speak with his lawyer, Bruce Fein, several days ago"

[Hissyspit]

65. There are civil libertarians and then there are Libertarians.

Useful for you to conflate and confuse the terms.

[struggle4progress]

73. I'm not conflating the terms:

... Glenn Greenwald’s third party dreamin ...
At a talk given the day after the 2010 election .. Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012 ... But it was his approach to politics that got members of the Young Americans for Liberty — a Paulite Libertarian group that co-sponsored the event — excited:

... Greenwald specifically addresses a possible alliance between progressives and Ron Paul libertarians. He also mentions Gary Johnson as a unique candidate with possibly the best chance of bringing this coalition together in a 2012 run for president ...

... He said Democrats have stigmatized the idea of supporting third parties or not voting at all ... He .. praised not just Wikileaks and Bradley Manning .. but also tea partyers who strike fear into the hearts of politicians by “acting very threateningly,” and “taking guns and machine guns” to their protests ...
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/

Edward Snowden Is A Ron Paul Supporter
The Huffington Post | By Amanda Terkel
Posted: 06/10/2013 9:46 am EDT | Updated: 06/11/2013 11:02 am EDT
... Snowden .. is a fan of former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) ... Snowden donated $250 to the libertarian's presidential campaign twice in 2012. Paul has long railed against government secrecy and intrusion into private life. Snowden told The Guardian that he voted for a third-party candidate in 2008 ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-ron-paul_n_3414992.html

Have We All Been Fooled By Edward Snowden?
Author: T. Steelman July 6, 2013 10:49 am
... His disdain of President Obama and his policies was apparent and he bitched about them with “increasing frequency.” But there are two issues where, I believe, where Snowden’s true colors shine very clearly. This is one:

SNOWDEN: save money? cut this social security bullshit ...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/06/have-we-all-been-fooled-by-edward-snowden/

Bruce Fein Joins Ron Paul 2012 Campaign
46 Responses
by RonPaul.com on August 25, 2011
... The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign announced today that .. Bruce Fein will join the campaign as senior advisor on legal matters ...
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-25/bruce-fein-joins-ron-paul-2012-campaign/

[ucrdem]

75. +1

[randome]

76. Then there are 'Idiot Libertarians'. Sounds like all three belong to that wing.

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[Hissyspit]

80. I've read all that already.

And you are conflating the terms.

[ucrdem]

74. A distinction without a difference as it turns out.

Go ahead and pretend that lower case L makes some kind of profound semantic difference. It doesn't, and all the baloney in the world won't make it so.

[Hissyspit]

79. Well, actually it does, but

I'm not going to argue it with you because you've made it quite clear over and over that you don't care about truth or accuracy.

[ucrdem]

81. Not to worry. I've had that argument several times already.

So consider your duty discharged.

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. I hope the "outrage" grows tenfold, hell; a hundredfold.

Fuck whatever the headline says... it's disingenuous; anyone who can read knows the truth.

He sparked worldwide debate, and that's a cat that ain't goin' back into the bag no matter how many blue linkies or cut and pastes you throw at it.

[PragmaticLiberal]

61. I wonder how Snowden feels about countries who spy on us.

Something I've been thinking about for weeks now....

[treestar]

63. Asshole

Hope he likes living in one of the only places that will take him - oddly enough, left wing countries that he would normally despise.

[UTUSN]

68. R#11 & K from Authoritarian/me n/t

[Romulus Quirinus]

77. In this thread: "WHY DO YOU HATE 'MURICA!?!"

[ProSense]

82. No screaming. n/t

[Romulus Quirinus]

83. lol nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

91. The goal was outrage against the US *government's acts*; one of the first outraged was Al Gore

Al Gore: NSA Phone Records Collecting 'Obscenely Outrageous'

@algore
Al Gore
In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous? http://t.co/KONSBtTWjc
June 6, 2013 1:39 am

Earlier this year at South By Southwest, Gore decried a creeping government culture of surveillance.

“The government is about to complete this $2 billion facility in Utah that can sweep up everything” from phone calls to emails,: Gore said, according to tech news website Slashdot. “And the Supreme Court just ruled you can’t sue.”

Gore was also outspoken when the media revealed that the Bush administration had been engaging in warrantless wiretapping. The practice "virtually compels the conclusion that the president of the United States has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently," Gore said in a speech in 2006, The New York Times reported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/al-gore-nsa-phone-records_n_3394043.html

Good for him. If he'd been president, we'd have had far less surveillance.

[ProSense]

94. Did Gore comment on Snowden's actions related to other countries? n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

95. I doubt it - he knows this is about the NSA and other spying organisations

and not about Snowden.

"I quite understand the viewpoint that many have expressed that they are fine with it and they just want to be safe but that is not really the American way," Gore said in a telephone interview. "Benjamin Franklin famously wrote that those who would give up essential liberty to try to gain some temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
...
"This in my view violates the constitution. The fourth amendment and the first amendment – and the fourth amendment language is crystal clear," he said. "It is not acceptable to have a secret interpretation of a law that goes far beyond any reasonable reading of either the law or the constitution and then classify as top secret what the actual law is."
...
He went on to call on Barack Obama and Congress to review the laws under which the NSA expanded its surveillance. "I think that the Congress and the administration need to make some changes in the law and in their behaviour so as to honour and obey the constitution of the United States," he said. "It is that simple."
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Gore did say, however, that he had serious concerns about some aspects of the testimony offered by national intelligence director James Clapper during testimony to the Senate intelligence committee last March.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/14/al-gore-nsa-surveillance-unamerican

Clearly, Al Gore doesn't share your obsession with Snowden - he's not mentioned. He's an intelligent guy. He does mention that he doesn't think Greenwald should be prosecuted.

[GeorgeGist]

97. May I presume your goal is to spark outrage against Snowden?

A big "FU" to other countries?

Especially China?

[ProSense]

99. Greenwald: "Our NSA stories...have sparked shock, indignation and demands for investigation"

This is from a piece Greenwald wrote to debunk Walter Pincus:

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But making up facts along the way, as you've done, should still be deemed unacceptable. At the very least, they merit a prominent correction.

All of this is independent of the fact that the conspiracy theory you've concocted is just laughable on its own terms. The very notion that Julian Assange would have masterminded this leak from the start, but then chose to remain demurely and shyly in the background so that others would receive credit for it, would prompt choking fits of laughter among anyone who knows him. Your suggestion that Assange would refrain from having WikiLeaks publish these documents, and instead direct these news-breaking leaks to The Guardian of all places - with which he has a bitter, highly publicized and long-standing feud - is even more hilarious.

Our NSA stories have been published and discussed in countless countries around the world, where they have sparked shock, indignation and demands for investigation. So revealingly, it is only American journalists - and them alone - who have decided to focus their intrepid journalistic attention not on the extremist and legally dubious surveillance behavior of the US government and serial deceit by its top officials, but on those who revealed all of that to the world.

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http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/07/email-to-walter-pincus.html#!/2013/07/email-to-walter-pincus.html