There is virtually no criticism of the President that doesn't

[cali]

get characterized as bashing by most of his supporters. That's true not only here on DU. No matter if that criticism is phrased without any personal attacks on the President, it's still called bashing. No matter if the criticism is completely devoid of any inflammatory language; it's still bashing and it's met with angry accusations of Obama hater.

[quinnox]

1. this is true, by and large

and I'm afraid I can count the number of hard core Obama supporters who I think make good points sometimes, and that don't always throw out smears, attacks and nastiness, on one hand. Maybe two hands, depending on some that may not post much, on any given day.

[geek tragedy]

2. How about people who call for him to be impeached over the Emergency Broadcast System?

And yes, we have at least one such idiot here (post was hidden 4-2 btw).

[cali]

3. That person is a fucking moron.

but that's one extreme example. However, I will grant you that there is a small cadre of people on the left that make such idiotic demands.

[Maedhros]

26. "What about [other thing]" doesn't address the point.

Just deflects the discussion away from the issue.

[madamesilverspurs]

4. In fairness,

the converse can be said about any positive remarks about the President.

[cali]

10. you're right. most praise of President Obama also gets knocked

though not, I think, as consistently. There have been threads praising the President here with very little dissent.

[kestrel91316]

13. I can't recall the last time I saw a post praising Obama here that wasn't full of

responses attacking him. Just sayin'.

[cali]

14. go away. I've had it with your despicable accusations that I'm a right winger

and no, I won't put you on ignore.

[Maedhros]

28. Hagiography can be a bit annoying.

I avoid those threads, for the most part.

[snooper2]

5. when that is what you do with 96.43% of your time online

you should learn to expect it LOL



Heres 4 minutes and 22 seconds of greatness that is something different for ya!



branch out a little!

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[SunSeeker]

9. LOL. Great video btw. nt

[mick063]

6. I'm not a single issue voter

But I will never forgive chained CPI.

A former member of OFA, chained CPI fundamentally changed my perspective.

I now have no good argument for the folks I talk to daily.

All I can do is sheepishly say, "Yea, you were right about him."

[whathehell]

7. I feel the same way about that

and I know people who still think he's bluffing.

[Dawgs]

8. Shit. For me it started with when he laughed at legitimate questions about pot legalization.

Way back in 2009.

I knew then that he was not the President I had fought so hard to get elected.

By the time chained CPI came around I was way past arguing for him.

[cascadiance]

11. For me it started when he named Rahm Emanuel to head up his cabinet...

I knew then that we were in for a corporatist ride that had the same attitude (though more cloaked) that Rahm Emanuel did towards progressives or the "professional left".

[lark]

17. Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Ben Bernake & Duncan.

I think these cabinet appointments say it all and said it very early. These were my tipping points, the loss of single payor & agreeing beforehand that the government wouldn't negotiate drug prices for Medicare just sealed the deal.

[LWolf]

15. I'm not a single issue voter, either,

but I am a teacher, and I knew there would be no meeting of minds from the beginning. I think that when the issues are further removed, it's easier to discount dissent, but when it gets up close and personal, it becomes more and more difficult. SS is up close and personal for all of us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Did we elect a boss or a public servant accountable for his actions and words?

The "Father Knows Best" wing of our party insists that the emperor is wearing his robes even when his ass is hanging out.

[LWolf]

16. Good question.

[leftstreet]

23. He's a CEO, and a mediocre one at that

He failed to generate investment

6 years later and no jobs program, no infrastructure planning, nothing zip nada, either public or private

Ugh but he'll get his golden parachute regardless

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. We elected a Rock Star whose lyrics (penned by someone else) hypnotized a majority of the electorate

Those who are still hanging on with all their might remind me of "The GTO's" or the "Apple scruffs" from the 60's.

[JDPriestly]

18. Yes. It is particularly worth noting with regard to this surveillance issue.

We all know that Obama did not start the surveillance any more than he started some of the excesses and wastefulness of Homeland Security.

He is the executive. He doesn't make all the decisions by himself. The folks in the bureaucracy of the NSA are held over from administration to administration. Same for the military.

The president, whoever he is, just passes through.

So the criticism of the NSA doesn't have much to do with the Obama except for the fact that he appointed the current head.

But even there, it isn't like his choice for Sec. of the Treasury or Sec. of Defense because the reality, the political reality is that his choices are narrowed due to the difficulty of leading the intelligence and military parts of the government.

Remember. Our Constitution and our Founding Fathers did not envision a standing army much less a standing intelligence service with the power ours has.

[JaneyVee]

19. Links? Broad brush statement.

[Peacetrain]

20. Oh for the love of GOD .. get a grip girl..

If people disagree with you.. they are going to push back.. just like I saw you do in this very thread..I get pushback all the time from people who either do not agree with me.. or in most cases.. have not read the op or post I put up completely.. People get a sense of where you are in the world of politics.. and anything you post in DU has to go through that filter first.. that is you , me , even old skinner, everyone but a newbie..we are all judged by previous conversations...if you really want to make a point hang in there.. and make your point.. keep talking with the person to find out where they are coming from.. it may not be all that different from where you are.. its the way people say things.. and preconceptions..

[Phlem]

21. Thanks for saying it out loud.

it's sorely needed to be said.

Your post will unfortunately be considered bashing by the fan club and the circle keeps going round and round.

Me thinks some people can't handle being wrong and will double down on teh stoopid rather than admit it. You know like the republican constituency.



-p

[BrainMann1]

22. You are so right

No one seems to do their homework. They bash the President , then cry wolf when he's proven right. His true supporters as myself see that he's doing his best anything would be better that having Romney as our president.

[stupidicus]

24. That's why I compared the current BS with the chained cpi "debate" a few weeks ago

that was ongoing months before the election -- the dynamics. tactics, etc, as well as the participants pro and con are largely the same.

What I find most amusing is the way they then and now ignore the glaringly obvious false dichotomy (logical fallacy) that underlies the lion's share of such garbage. It's not the two extremes of "BHO haters" and "BHO worshippers" battling this out, but rather a large spectrum of people, many of which who would largely likely still vote for BHO knowing what they know NOW because of the alternative.

If anyone has a character flaw, I'd say it's those that resemble the Bush supporters that use to wail/whine about the "Bush hate" in the face of legitimate criticisms they couldn't muster an adequate explanation for or defense of.

[sulphurdunn]

25. Let me Praise President Obama.

I voted for him twice. I still have a Veterans for Obama sticker on my car. I owe him a great deal. Supporting him has been enlightening. He has irrevocably destroyed my child like faith in the two party political system and in so doing made it undeniably clear who he and I, sadly, both work for. No Republican could have ever done me a greater service. Thank you Mr. President!

[thetonka]

27. This is the new norm

In politics and in some ways daily life there is no dissension or praise allowed, unless it is dissension against the other guys and praise for their guy.

The two party system has ruined our ability to discuss and compromise. If you are a democrat you are not allowed to say anything bad against the leaders of the Democrats and you are not allowed to say anything good about any Republican. There will be no progress and no lasting prosperity in our country until we as a people push back against the two party system idea that you have to choose and once you choose you have to blindly accept and follow. The two parties only want sheep, they only want blind allegiance and in the end they want these things only to further their power.

Think for yourself, speak your mind, be honest with yourself and others. Don't be afraid to criticize or dissent when you do not agree, and don't be afraid to praise when it's deserved.

[indepat]

29. The President should not be criticized on this board imo in the absence a breach of some liberal,

democratic, or progressive principle, be it of omission or commission. To espouse or continue any right-wing principle/agenda/action/et al would be an act of commission imo.

[Skittles]

30. they think they're supporting Obama but in a weird way they do the opposite

they are making fools of themselves; Obama himself would be disgusted by these folk

[Bluenorthwest]

31. I agree with all of that.

I like Obama much more than those here who wear the 'Super Supporter' mantel. Much more.