Oopsie, Turns Out The French Spy Too, And Not Just on Their Enemies

[Galraedia]

The French President did protest too much, according to Le Monde’s article title, “Révélations sur le Big Brother français”. Ouch.

In case you missed this over the holiday news dump, the New York Times closed a July 4th article revealing massive French spying with the reminder that the French had been warned not to sound too outraged over American spying, “American officials had privately warned French officials to be careful about speaking with too much outrage about American espionage given that major European countries like France spy, too, and not just on their enemies.”

All of that huffing and puffing by French President François Hollande over the recent alleged “revelations” regarding US spying looks a bit ridiculous now, after daily French newspaper Le Monde revealed that France has their own very large program of data collection. The French program includes nearly all data transmissions (phone calls, emails, social media, etc.) and is done on the French public in France and abroad, on all data that comes “in and out of France”.

Last week in full blown outrage, Hollande grandstanded to reporters that talks on the trade pact “should be delayed at least until questions over the spying issue were resolved and confidence restored.”


Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/07/oopsie-turns-french-spy-too-enemies.html

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Do you think it is wrong for the French government to conduct massive

Domestic surveillance programs?

[KittyWampus]

7. I do. It's amazing that a strong social democracy like France, with citizens who do protest

very vocally and visibly, is doing this. Don't you think?

This is a global issue. Interconnected networks of money sucking parasites.

[Warren Stupidity]

36. Yes of course. It is wrong all around the world. But the op hasn't responded.

[whatchamacallit]

2. So... if the US is not spying on us

what's the point of these silly relativistic rationales for spying?

[Galraedia]

9. Who said the U.S isn't engaged in surveillance?

Can you refer to anywhere in the article I posted where it says that?

[whatchamacallit]

10. The crap article from that crap site that you're using for your crap justification

uses the word 'spy'.

[Galraedia]

18. And your crappy response failed to answer my question.

[whatchamacallit]

20. Surveillance, spying...

I guess you're right, it's all the same. Glad to see you admitting the government is spying on it's citizens.

[Galraedia]

25. Did I ever say it was or wasn't?

The government isn't listening to your phone calls. And if you want to talk about some data that was collected,which doesn't even contain content, consider where that data came from. It came from a 3rd party (Ex. Verizon).

[treestar]

3. The Ad attached to your post says

"Should Obama be reading your email?"



Sing the privacy petition!



Like Obama could read everyone's emails. A speed reader, that Obama!

[treestar]

4. Not even limited by any Fourth Amendment or any FISA!

[Cha]

5. Oh, let's just sweep that under the rug. Not much to get OUTRAGED

about that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. I don't give a FUCK what the French do.

[Skittles]

11. but don't you understand, cp?

if the FRENCH do it, that deflects from OBAMA!!!! The issue here is NOT domestic spying!!! See how that works???

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. Oh shit. Silly me.

I loves me some Obama!

[Galraedia]

22. Defects what from Obama?

That American's are too stupid to remember that the Patriot Act has been in effect since 2001? The people deflecting are the ones in Snowden's cult like following that can't accept the fact that some of the things that Snowden has said is contradicted by some of the documents he released. Example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023137494

If Snowden was interested in the truth he wouldn't be making false claims and exaggerations.

[Skittles]

26. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[zappaman]

8. Bring back Freedom Fries!

[whatchamacallit]

12. I bet you mean that

Zappa(the libertarian)man

[zappaman]

14. They're delicious!

Have you left the Democratic party yet?
We could throw you a going away party at the Daily Pint!
Freedom fries on me!

[Amonester]

31. lol

They will not throw a happy party until the day a super majority of repukes they are working to get elected to Congress each day here will impeach both Obama and Biden so we'll end up with orangeman/turtleman instead.

That's what their agenda is.

[stevenleser]

15. This made it through my trash terms list, but that's OK. Good OP, and...

good comments by treestar, Cha and zappaman, the only ones under this OP that I can see!

[Fumesucker]

16. But MOM! Everybody's doing it! Even Liechtenstein

[KittyWampus]

19. Don't forget Poland.

[zappaman]

21. It's Luxembourg that pisses me off.

Thinking they are all that being so small and all...

[Mojorabbit]

23. LOL nt

[CakeGrrl]

17. Reports of massive EU outrage at the U.S. (Obama!) are greatly nullified. -nt

[Apophis]

24. This article made me forget that the US is spying on its citizens.

[Pholus]

28. "Mission Accomplished" (tm) nt

[KittyWampus]

30. You mean you didn't start to wonder how far surveillance goes? How far the network reaches?

You think the US spying is isolated and a problem unto itself?

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. Everybody's doing it, doing it, doing it

Pickin and a chewing it, chewing it, chewing it
You put your nickel in the machine.
It comes out long and green.

Yes, everybody does it, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable just because a Democrat does it.

[KittyWampus]

29. come to find out, even social democrats are doing it. Maybe the conversation needs to go deeper than

"Obama is tainted".

Maybe it needs to go deeper than "Fourth Amendment".

[Agnosticsherbet]

32. Maybe it is a function of government and power.

and the fact that the best intentions make it easy to go to extremes.

[KittyWampus]

33. I am thinking about Governor Jerry Brown smoozing up Chinese POTUS recently

Gov. Jerry Brown continued his courtship of China on Saturday, meeting with the nation's president, Xi Jinping, in Indian Wells.
The meeting followed Brown's week-long trade mission to China in April. The Democratic governor is seeking to attract Chinese investment in California, including in public infrastructure such as high-speed rail.

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. At risk of being off the subject, but I would welcome high speed rail.

Even if the Chinese built it. Industrialists backing the car culture aren't likely to do it. But it is an example of the best of intentions.

[KittyWampus]

35. It would change dynamics in the country IMO.

[Democracyinkind]

37. Nice to see that the issue is being forced outside of the US too.

If I'd had to guess before the Snowden affair, my money would have been on France and GB as Europe's greatest spies. The French are especially keen on industrial espionage, but they also use their intel services to suppress eco-friendly political movements.

I takes this all to say that countries left out of the Five Eyes club are trying hard to implement their own version of it.

Even in Europe, these activities are out of control. Note that the French program's illegality isn't disputed - which doesn't mean much on the face of it. Parliamentary oversight over intel services has failed Europe just as much as it has failed the US.

[reformist2]

38. It'll be interesting to see if any people have any ability to stop their gov't from spying on them.

One good thing about the internationalization of this scandal is that people around won't waste their energy on America-bashing, but will focus on reforming their own governments first.

[Quantess]

39. That doesn't make it right. (no text)

[TransitJohn]

40. Oh....well then everything's obviously okay, then. Thanks. eom

n/t