MSNBC: Venezuela has given a 24 hour deadline to Snowden for his asylum decision

[flamingdem]

Hmm. What could this be about? Moonwalk back from promise or frustration about having not heard back from Snowden.

If this is like asking a date to the prom, they don't want another suitor taking their thunder?

[flamingdem]

1. Venezuela's Asylum Offer for Snowden Has a Deadline - only link for now

Edward Snowden has received an asylum offer from Venezuela, but he has to think about it fast, since the country’s officials are giving him until Monday to make up his mind.

“There has not been any type of communication. We are waiting until Monday to know whether he confirms his wish to take asylum in Venezuela,” said the Foreign Minister Elias Jaua on state television, quoted by NBC.

Bolivia and Nicaragua have also offered asylum to Edward Snowden, who has been hiding inside the transit zone of a Moscow airport since June 23.

The United States has accused him of espionage and has asked all countries to extradite him. However, they have been faced with multiple refusals, particularly from South American countries, including Venezuela.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Venezuela-s-Asylum-Offer-for-Snowden-Has-a-Deadline-366257.shtml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[struggle4progress]

2. I think he's spending a lot of time on the phone with the Aeroflot customer service desk

trying to find out if they've found his lost laptops yet

[flamingdem]

5. They just answer: "Nyet yet"

LOL. I just can't believe Putin didn't snag something or offer $$

How low (or high) can they go..

[randome]

3. We should ask Wikileaks if they will accept on his behalf.

I don't think the Snowy One wants to live in Venezuela for the rest of his life.

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[flamingdem]

4. He (Wikileaks) must be waiting for a better offer

The optics are pretty bad with Venezuela.

Mainly I think Maduro would be nuts to take him. He gets very little out of it.

[Whisp]

6. It was wise of Ven to have a time limit.

It will tell them if he is serious or not or just trolling. And the Snowy One will then have to reject the other offers.

Pretty sharp cookies.

[flamingdem]

7. LOL Eddie is a troll on a roll

I wish Wikileaks would release the list of the six countries he just applied to for speculation purposes.

But nooo, they have to be all secret 'n stuff

Maduro will breathe a sigh of relief when Eddie says no.

OR .... that's part of the plan for Maduro to smell like a rose w/anti-Yank cred whilst some other suitor steps up. Putin pulling strings?

[HipChick]

8. Interesting..

[KittyWampus]

13. Since the politics can be sorta cut throat, it's darned good he's sharp. Same w/ Morales.

Got to give them props for that.

[KittyWampus]

11. wouldn't this help Maduro at home & region as he's sticking it to the grand imperialist?

[randome]

20. Then he'd have to deal with a disgruntled U.S.

Not to mention a hacker who has demonstrated he has no loyalties when it comes to nationality.

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[KittyWampus]

24. Who knows, maybe Snowden's contacts can help Venezuela upgrade their surveillance.

[flamingdem]

22. Yes, for a while. Especially because he lacks Chavez' charisma

and the economy is struggling.

However, he has right wingy Capriles on his tail and for sure he'll use this against him in elections.

Plus, Venezuela's number one trading partner is the USA, and they will be sanctioned. They have to refine oil here, their oil is low quality, and the US has the refineries, from what I know

[allin99]

50. but in order for him to get asylum anywhere in south america it would be unwise to just ignore...

completely maduro's offer. The guy basically offered to save his life and he didn't even call him. I really don't get that.

[flamingdem]

51. There's more than meets the eye

I just hope we get to find out what's really going on.

[allin99]

56. yeah, i have to say...

this guy is def. not stupid, and every time i'm all: WTF? then eventually it makes sense. lol. I hope this becomes clear, this one is strange.

[flamingdem]

60. When Snowden resurfaces we may be quite surprised!

They'll be something crazy, there always is!

[randome]

61. He's a mutant!

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[flamingdem]

64. Or

[allin99]

63. Totally. lol.

[allin99]

83. ya know, you're so right because...

he actually REQUESTED asylum in that country. I think homeboy is on lockdown somewhere. Some f'g cia agent that was staying in the superlounge. Like, for real. And i am no conspiracy theorist but for him to not send one thank you after 3 grants of asylum? something is up.

[Whisp]

117. kick, time is almost up? anyone hear anything? n/t

[flamingdem]

118. Here's a new thread, Venezula just tweeted that they've heard nada!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023199991

[MADem]

119. He has to look downstream...what happens if Maduro's government, which is in dire financial straits,

shits the bed in the next few years and the opposition prevails? I would imagine that any center right leader looking for help--debt relief, favorable loans, tariff concessions, even outright grant aid--would be willing to trade Snowden for "stuff." Or even if they don't hand him over, tell him "On yer bike," and then let the US government know that he's heading elsewhere.

[KittyWampus]

9. GO FOR IT DUDE! It'll be a totally great adventure.

[flamingdem]

17. Dude, do it for Chavez!

¡Viva la Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela! Soy un dinner jacket..

[KittyWampus]

21. I had issues w/ Chavez but he kept a lot of balls in the air!

[randome]

23. In general, I liked him too.

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[flamingdem]

40. He was an original. Died way too young.

[Whisp]

69. yes to both. :( How can anyone dislike a guy for talking about Sulphur

when talking about Boosh the Lesser?

Man, that was precious.

[Number23]

82. I disliked so much of what the man did to his own damn people

But i will always, ALWAYS love him for talking about the trail of sulphur that followed Bush out of the door at the UN.

[flamingdem]

25. I loved Chavez when he stuck it to Bush, and don't have a big problemo with him

Geopolitically it's not great that South American left governments are making deals with Iran, Russia, China. The US has to get on its game with this and use it improve relations.

US Venezuelan relations were improving lately, and there were talks that might be scuttled.

[KittyWampus]

28. Yes, it seems so anachronistic. And as for the idiotic Cuban embargo, I can't understand who

keeps it going at this point.

[flamingdem]

31. I'm very anti-embargo on Cuba which goes

hand in hand with sympathy for left leaning Latin American governments.

I'm not happy about this latest round with Snowden, I think they have it wrong about him.
He's not someone who would support their populist governments and social programs.

My ire goes towards the entities and congresspeople who keep the Embargo in place.

There are so many benefiting from funds for campaigns and from USAID funding though -- including democrates like Nelson and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There's also Sen. Menendez.

On the right we have the usual suspects, the right wing Cuban-Americans in congress.

However, relations are warming a bit lately, it's going to normalization within say 5 years, I hope sooner

[MADem]

70. Good thing Snowden didn't get there before he died...

He was a fan of ball shooting, IIRC...

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/06/edward-snowden-leakers-ars-technica/66622/

[BeyondGeography]

10. Big Gubmint, throwing its weight around

Snowden no likey.

[flamingdem]

41. Of course he might under a very bright light "discussing" things with Putin

So everything is relative lol

[CakeGrrl]

12. What's he waiting for?

Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua...which are his best options?

Or does he think he's getting a better offer?

[KittyWampus]

14. Nicaragua has good surfing, IIRC. I'd go to country w/most expats & best waves.

[flamingdem]

26. I think it would get claustrophobic, but I agree nt

[allin99]

32. He should have at least called the guy.

[flamingdem]

34. Maduro says he hasn't heard from him

and yes it's yet another slap for Latin America that Eddie isn't that interested.

He's thinking Hong Kong, he doesn't want socialism

[allin99]

35. i don't get it at all. hk is not going to take him. and it is...

totally a slap in the face. Esp since he sent iceland a letter, he coulda sent this guy at least a thank you. *baffled*

[flamingdem]

37. I'm thinking, tinfoil hat but Hong Kong might find a workaround

or another Asian nation.

Wikileaks had him applying to six new mysterious countries.

Bet a few are in Asia

[flamingdem]

42. I think he wants to wiggle back into Hong Kong

The Wikileakers must be up to something, some invention that will let him go to a non socialist country!

[SidDithers]

47. He's waiting for an offer from Northern Europe...

the Ron Paul types don't really like those folks with higher concentrations of melanin.

Sid

[CakeGrrl]

57. I think you're quite right

There was so much celebrating and high-fiving over these offers, it seems no one was actually taking into account who this guy fundamentally IS or what he's truly about.

That he's relegated to these options is totally fitting.

[Godhumor]

67. Tell me about it

And as I mentioned in that other thread about Snowden, this is playing out exactly as expected. My guess is he turns down the offer.

[Cha]

95. We know Snowden Flake's choice of Iceland has turned him

Down.

[UTUSN]

15. They realize he won't keep confidential about the toilet paper shortages. n/t

[randome]

18. Eww. Brings a new meaning to the term 'leaker', doesn't it?

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[flamingdem]

19. Oh mah lawd

[friendlyFRIEND]

16. Ed is making his choice...

which one is the best option.

[Buns_of_Fire]

27. Trouble is, these offers can be withdrawn as quickly as they were offered.

If these countries think he's jerking them around, he'd better get used to airport living -- until Putin decides to evict him once and for all and ship him back to Hong Kong.

[friendlyFRIEND]

30. he shoulda taken putin's offer

Stopped releasing stuff and lived in Russia.

I have relatives there and know the place... it's cool. Not like most Americans imagine it.

[flamingdem]

39. I agree. At least it's a developed country with good internet

and Greenwald could take care of leaking.

Unless Russia thought that he could control Greenwald, LOL

[Buns_of_Fire]

44. I would have, too. After all, a marriage proposal from Anna Chapman is nothing to be sneezed at. nt

[flamingdem]

33. Maybe this is the plan. Eddie was supported in Hong Kong, apparently has contacts

the only problem is that they have an extradition treaty with the USA

[Buns_of_Fire]

45. China could probably override that, if they had a mind to.

I don't think they would -- they'd probably just let things take their course.

Snowden's pretty-much an international hot potato, right now.

[allin99]

29. Ouch. Not good.

[Cleita]

36. Maybe he can't reply while sitting in the Kremlin jail.

Just a thought. No one has seen him in the airport.

[flamingdem]

38. Interesting. Maybe Maduro is trying to smoke out Putin

Though that's odd since those two countries are friendly.

[allin99]

43. He's got a lawyer with him who he is communicating through.

[Cleita]

46. But there seems to have been no communication from him, any that you

can find on google anyway that's recent.

[allin99]

48. Greenwald twittered that Snowden confirmed to him he wote...

a statement released by wikileaks. course that could be b.s., but that was yesterday.

[Cleita]

49. There's so much here that is so opaque here that you almost have to take anything

said with some skepticism until you see the actual proof that he's alive and in the airport.

[flamingdem]

53. He's supposedly with Sarah Harrison

So that makes me think he's fine and not in custody. She's probably madly trying to find him a better choice than Venezuela, maybe Asia.

[Cleita]

54. She's also gone missing if you google her. n/t

[flamingdem]

58. But then how is it that Wikileaks is publishing his asylum requests?

Well Nicaragua did publish that. Wikileaks and Snowden have learned to keep things quiet I guess

[Cleita]

62. Or they are unwilling guests of the Kremlin or even maybe Beijing.

Siberia and Outer Mongolia are nice at this time of year I here.

[allin99]

111. i think they can't be too public, not good to flaunt a fugitive.

[MADem]

52. Has someone figured out that most of the oil that the USA "imports" from Venezuela is in fact,

refined into gasoline and other petroleum products....

AND EXPORTED RIGHT BACK TO VENEZUELA?

[flamingdem]

55. Can Iran jump in and build refineries there?

Russia? I'm thinking Putin is .... omg I think I just figured it out.

Putin is putting a vice on poor Eddie because he cut a deal with Venezuela.
Refining and investment to take Eddie off their hands.

[MADem]

72. Iran needs to build some refineries of their own--they IMPORT gasoline.

They had to ration gasoline, because they couldn't keep up with demand--in an oil producing nation. This has been going on for five or six years now; recently they also started rationing diesel fuel.

Iran has a cash flow problem, big time. So does VZ. They also have maintenance problems in their oil fields and with refineries.

VZ owns a piece of the CITGO refineries in the USA; that's the only thing saving their asses right now. They are pumping less product every year, and that's down to maintenance. They are on an unsustainable course of action and they are largely a "one product" economy and they are suffering from what the economists call Dutch Disease--the other sectors of their economy are anemic as a consequence of their reliance on oil revenues.

It's also why we "import" much of Venezuela's heavy, sour, difficult-to-refine product (and then turn around and "export" it) -- because we have the refineries that are capable of handling that type of oil. Most refineries cannot handle it--it's hard to refine, there's a lot of "waste product" associated with the process, and it is stinky, smelly and nasty. For this reason, heavy/sour oils are way cheaper to buy than light/sweet ones.

[flamingdem]

73. That's why I'm thinking maybe Russia realizes that they could build refineries there

What other reason would Russian be pushing this so hard? They are basically making it an offer he can't refuse and telling him how long he has to decide. The Kremlin either just wants him gone or wants no competition from other suitors.

NYT headline:
Russian Official Says Venezuela Is the ‘Best Solution’ for Snowden

[MADem]

74. Pootie Poot HATES Obama. HATES him.

He could buffalo Porgie; Porgie always looked stupider than he did on the national stage; while Porgie was skeered - o - horsies and spent his time cutting brush, Pootie was riding horsies shirtless and bareback and engaging in feats of adventuring and strength.

Then, doggone it, Porgie was replaced by a guy who is taller than Pootie, doesn't have lifts in his shoes, isn't skeered o'ANYTHING....and is the coolest guy in the room.

Porgie is jealous of Obama.

There is a lot here we don't know. Is it true that this high school dropout studied Chinese? Maybe China sent a plane, and he's already behind the Great Wall?

It's all very curious, and it seems like it is all very....'managed.'

[flamingdem]

76. Maybe it's mainly about Syria

** The US reached out to Pootie and he said US security forces were talking to Russian Security forces, about a week ago. Now Obama may have tried to cut a deal. This 24 hour deadline may have to do with Putin wanting x regarding Syria. In this case Maduro may be pretending. I hope so, since I'd rather see the US improve relations with Venezuela. I'd like to see the US not get into Syria. This could be a win? No, probably not!

Putin Toys With Obama as Syria Burns and Snowden Runs Free

From Snowden to Syria, Russian President Putin does whatever he likes and the West plays to his tune. Garry Kasparov on the pathetic kowtowing to Putin—and the terrifying historical echoes of such behavior.

Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin sat across from each other at the G8 meeting last month in Northern Ireland, but their positions on Syria could not be further apart. The G8 statement on Syria that came out from the summit was a triumph for Putin and also a victory for what I would call “consensus through cowardice.” Getting rid of the murderous dictator Bashar al-Assad is not one of the document’s pledges. Incredibly, al-Assad is not even mentioned—no doubt at the insistence of his greatest supporter, Putin. For the sake of a hypocritical display of unity, Obama and the others signed a worthless statement that could have been written in the Kremlin.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/02/putin-toys-with-obama-as-syria-burns-and-snowden-runs-free.html

[MADem]

98. Pootie is furious about Syria.

The bottom line there, though, is that our side is right. Fucking Bashir makes his Daddy look like a Nobel Prize candidate. I can't believe that shithead is the son of Hafez. He's an animal.

I have some Syrian friends. They are distraught at what is happening to their country. They weren't thrilled at the drama during the Hafez days, they are horrified at what Baby Bashir has done. Hafez could be approached...Bashir the optometrist can't see his own generous nose before his face. Likely because that nose is too far up Pootie Poot's butt.

Will the day ever come when we can visit Damascus without fear of kidnapping or being blown up on the frigging street? Not so long as Bashir is in charge...

[flamingdem]

102. Sounds like Obama won't back off from his course

They are at loggerheads, what a mess with Snowden in the middle.

Why does Putie want to get rid of him like a hot potato..

[MADem]

107. Obama is supposed to visit Russia in September. He WILL cancel if this shit is still in the air.

That will be regarded as a slap heard round the world.

Also, Russia has the Olympics coming up.

Remember what Jimmy Carter did...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Summer_Olympics_boycott

You don't make money if you don't have markets for advertising dollars.

Obama could fuck him big time, and pull a Carter, and what's he gonna do?

We are the biggest market. We may be a bunch of consumerist assholes, shallow, low-brow, name-yer-insult, but they LOVE our MONEY. Without bigass, American, cheetoh-eatin' eyes on those tee vees, money is not made.

If I were Pootie, I'd watch my six.

[flamingdem]

108. So dang true, Pootie can't go crazy and lose his good thing

This is what's bugging me though, why is he pushing Snowball out the door.

Or it's a cover story for a flight already in the air.

Catherina Ms. Venezuela knowledgeable has a post up about Snowden having landed in Venezuela
but it's a hoax

Can you imagine the protests if he's headed back to the USA

http://www.prlog.org/12170070-edward-snowden-safely-lands-in-venezuela-where-he-was-granted-asylum-to-avoid-us-extradition.html

[MADem]

110. I think he thought it was funny...until it wasn't.

The dumb fuck should have just done the authoritarian thing and arrested Snowden and traded him for that arms dealer we've got....that arms dealer who is also an "intelligence official" AKA a SPY (oooh, but we're the only bad guy types with spies in the world, according to some).

Maybe that's already happened, and why we're not hearing any drama from Obama. The only real drama I'm hearing is straight outta DU...!

[flamingdem]

112. I will be so surprised if Putin kept his nose clean and just passed

Snowden on to be rid of him.

It would be so out of character. But he will be called out for any mistakes.
I wonder what the opposition is saying over there. (if they dare critique him).

[MADem]

113. Maybe he sent him back to China, land of the oppressed, home of the conformists! nt

[flamingdem]

114. wikileaks is pressuring Cuba

hmm. could be the hangup

WikiLeaks ?@wikileaks 3h

If Raul Castro's solidarity on #Snowden is serious Cuba will publically offer Snowden asylum. #cuba #cubana #havanna

[randome]

59. I think Maduro just figured that out. Hence the timeframe he hopes Eddie will miss.

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[flamingdem]

65. Maduro is making out and performing a massive slap to El Yankee en El Norte

with Putin's help. Yes, this seems to be the way to view developments

[flamingdem]

66. Yes, Maduro's got a big funded fish on the line woo hoo Yankee go home

THIS is why they're quiet, they're in massive negotiations.

Snowden > Putin > Maduro

Plus, Morales, Ortega ... ay dios! They're realigning the hemisphere.

Catherina will be overjoyed

[MADem]

68. Maybe Maduro called Pootie Poot and told him to keep the guy incommunicado until time runs out! nt

[flamingdem]

71. Yes, I bet they're telling them: "nyet" when they ask

what happened to the wifi

Oh to be a fly on the wall.

I'll go with this concept.

[Ron Quixote]

75. Let's pray someone doesn't post a thread proving you wrong

If in a few days it is found out that there was no deadline.

[flamingdem]

77. The deadline article is all over at this point

But of course, when there are negotiations going on it could take longer

[Major Hogwash]

78. 48 "business hours"??

Perhaps, but it seems unlikely at this stage.

[flamingdem]

79. Well it's sooner in Moscow than here

2:33 AM
Monday, July 8, 2013 (MSK)
Time in Moscow, Russia

So my guess is that he's got 19.5 hours left to decide.

If he sticks to bankers hours then by 5pm Moscow time.

[Major Hogwash]

80. My girlfriend gave me a deadline like that once . . . once!!

Joe Piscopo as Danny Vermin in Johnny Dangerously

[flamingdem]

91. LOL! Well then you know how Eddie feels now

though I don't think the deadline is more than a cover story for negotiations and later some kind of theater will occur.

People still asleep

4:30 AM
Monday, July 8, 2013 (MSK)
Time in Moscow, Russia

[Number23]

81. Why in the world would they only give him 24 hours to respond? How is he supposed to make his

mind up that quickly? Hell, it will probably take 24 hours alone for him just to make the travel arrangements.

[kentuck]

84. My guess:

Would be that Venezuela would send an emissary to pick him up and take him to another location in Russia and fly out of there to some place like Brazil, in an attempt to escape the attention of Europe and the US. It's difficult to do with the spy satellites watching...

That is, if Venezuela really wants him in country? If that were the case, his only and last resort would be to accept asylum from the Russians. That would not be Mr Snowdens first choice, I am sure?

Either that, or return to the US and stand trial? It could be a secret trial...

[flamingdem]

86. He can't go through Brazil. Cuba hasn't said yes, and probably will not

I think it has to be a direct flight, meaning a charter, meaning costly. 300,000 ish.

But for sure they're cooking up something.

[allin99]

88. i don't think even the money is the problem per se....

it's finding a plane that will fly him. He needs a long range plane, a plane that can fly 5,000+ miles without needing to refuel. An American can't fly him, a company that owns planes can't do it, they'll be in too much deep shit, it would have to be some arabian prince who happens to have a 747.

Imagine if he did get a plane though. Can you imagine what scene THAT would be? It would be all eyes on for a 10 hour flight, shot by satellite. crazy.

[allin99]

85. "Venezuela FM to consult with Russian Officials on Monday"

Venezuela Foreign Minister Elias Jaua said he expects to consult with Russian officials on Monday about Snowden's situation.

4th paragraph down:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10895417

[flamingdem]

87. Sen. Menendez needs to put a lid on it. He throws fuel on the fire for his own pet issues

quote:

US Sen. Robert Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he wasn't surprised that those three Latin American nations were offering asylum.

"They like sticking it to the United States," Menendez told NBC's "Meet the Press."

He also mentioned re-examining US trade policies and foreign aid to any country that might take in Snowden.

[allin99]

89. no wheeling and dealing i guess...lol ...

how does this guy Snowden know so much? I guess they just didn't expect anyone to babble everything. i think he's off his rocker. lol. i don't know.

[flamingdem]

90. I don't know either, that's why this is compelling watching

Even the simple problem of how to get Snowden to Venezuela is an international can of worms.

The only direct flight to take is to Havana, Cuba.

But Cuba is in a stage of improving relations with the USA, plus they have an agreement to extradite any fugitives from the USA.

They could try some political mumbo jumbo speak, but it doesn't seem worth it.

I think it all hinges on what Putin gets out of it. We may never know the real terms of the deal.

[allin99]

92. and even if there were a direct flight, i can't imagine...

a commercial flight taking snowden, lol, just no way jose.

and yeah, no way cuba lets him land there unless obama opens his mouth and says something crazy against cuba or pulls a morales and has him pulled over and frisked. lol.

i can almost barely even watch anymore after his last info dump in the german magazine. i am scared he will be killed and i know that's his choice and everything but i can't watch horror movies either. I wonder if he would prefer death over a jail cell.

Why again did he go to HK instead of generally in latin america where he could get to whatever country would take him?

[flamingdem]

93. Good point, any commercial flight would be a circus

But then again common criminals fly that way with a marshall by their side.

These issues might end up being critical in the solution of the situation

If they are, it means that no one could come up with the 250,000 ish necessary for a charter.

[allin99]

94. a commercial airline would be in trouble for taking him...

they'd be fined like a billion dollars.

he could come up with the money, zimmerman came up with a million, snowden could come up with a half a million through wiki in days. but he can't come up with the private jet. No one will rent him one.

[flamingdem]

96. The country taking him can rent it

But he might be stopped in European airspace according to the conspiracies.

Maybe there's a connection in Mongolia..

[allin99]

97. He doesn't have to do that, he can fly around europe...

and for 100% sure his airspace would be blocked. if the u.s. didn't do that they would be stupid. They've already been accused of it, and the press fully reports that that's what happened and it didn't hurt them much, so why not?

but here's his trip around europe and the millage (it would be to Vnzla instead of Ecuador)


http://blog.privatefly.com/edward-snowden-fly-private-jet-moscow-ecuador

[JI7]

99. maybe he doesn't want to go there, maybe he wants to stay at a place like that hong kong hotel

[flamingdem]

100. I think he wants HK too

but there's that pesky extradition treaty with the US.

[JI7]

101. so it was never about exposing Govt for him if that's the case

[flamingdem]

103. I think he's a Wikileaks guy, they're not loyal to anyone

and we see this in his behavior.

Plus, as much as it is denied here that Snowden is the story, Wikileaks is about spectacle and getting attention.

[JI7]

104. where does greenwald fit in ? was he used by them ?

[flamingdem]

105. groan. are you playing du games?

reveal yourself

okay i fell for it

bored now

[JI7]

106. according to catherina's latest

he has just landed in venezuela, but she is hoping it's not a hoax.

[flamingdem]

109. Thanks for the tip I checked it out

for a good laugh.

I guess you're not trolling since I saw you on the snarf thread.

You never know these days!

Especially if the topic of GG is raised

[Comrade Grumpy]

115. Jesus Christ, what a wank fest!

I quit reading after a few posts. Just all the usual suspects yukking it up.

I'll check back in when something actually happens.

[JI7]

116. how much longer does he have ?