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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:42 AM Jul 2013

Is there a pattern? Obama’s Executive Order: Permanent War Economy



March 16, 2012 President Obama issued a creepy Executive Order.

Entitled “National Defense Resources Preparedness,” it authorizes the President and cabinet officials to take over crucial aspects of the national economy not only during emergencies but also in peacetime.

The order relies on a Korean War-era statute, the Defense Production Act of 1950, to further entwine the domestic industrial economy with the military. It talks of fostering “cooperation between the defense and commercial sectors.”

The stated purpose is to strengthen “the domestic industrial and technological base” so as “to ensure it is capable of responding to the national defense needs of the United States.”

This amounts to putting the economy on permanent war footing, even when there isn’t an emergency.

For instance, the Executive Order talks of the need for the economic base “to satisfy [defense] requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency.” And cabinet officials are authorized to “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources . . . to promote the national defense, under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.”

It amounts to a sweeping reassertion of Presidential authority. It reasserts the President’s authority “to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders . . . to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders.”


http://www.progressive.org/permanent_war_economy.html
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Is there a pattern? Obama’s Executive Order: Permanent War Economy (Original Post) Katashi_itto Jul 2013 OP
Kick Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #1
IIRC that approach got Truman into boiling water HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #2
Damn! now you got me curious about that. Thanks! Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #3
I'm pretty sure Truman backed down in the face of disapproval HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #19
Yes there is a pattern. 99Forever Jul 2013 #4
Have to agree with you. I don't plan on voting again, except with my legs. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #6
I wish we could do the same. 99Forever Jul 2013 #10
I certainly hope so, as a vet I am appalled by what is happening Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #11
I'm still kicking myself in the ass for buying his bullshit... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #7
I hear you. 99Forever Jul 2013 #9
I tried never to vote for a candidate who didn't value Constitutional guarantees. I failed with byeya Jul 2013 #20
I blame him. 99Forever Jul 2013 #21
I fear 9/11 Part 2 is on the way.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #5
All communications are mine. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #8
My take atreides1 Jul 2013 #12
This order was signed over a year ago. I don't think it's the President who has "issues." ucrdem Jul 2013 #14
Amazing, if it's old, then it surely must be "ok" Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #17
This entire thread was transplanted from FR...right? n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #13
Nope, Progressive.org Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #16
K&R For pissing off the right people. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #15
. ProSense Jul 2013 #18
Such hostility. Igel Jul 2013 #22
Whatever happened to that Peace Dividend? Octafish Jul 2013 #23

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. IIRC that approach got Truman into boiling water
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jul 2013

Using Korea, the first post-war non-war as an excuse, Truman declared that continuity of steel production, threatened by striking union workers, was essential to national security.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
19. I'm pretty sure Truman backed down in the face of disapproval
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jul 2013

from SCOTUS.

Don't have time to check just now. But let me know if you'd like me to and I'll get on it later today.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
4. Yes there is a pattern.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jul 2013

One that is quite clear to anyone willing to take an honest look at who this President has surrounded himself with and the shitty fucking policies he has endorsed and pushed.

I will never trust any politician again because of this guy.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
6. Have to agree with you. I don't plan on voting again, except with my legs.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:58 AM
Jul 2013

Have several countries in mind.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
10. I wish we could do the same.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:18 AM
Jul 2013

Unfortunately, our life situation doesn't leave us that option. But good for you, may you find a place with a soul.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
7. I'm still kicking myself in the ass for buying his bullshit...
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 08:59 AM
Jul 2013

..after Slick Willy I told myself I'd never fall for it again...idiot that I am I believed in the hope and change marketing message...Never again...

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. I hear you.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jul 2013

That is why I have made the decision to always vote my principles fo rthe rest of my time on Earth. Never again will I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two very shitty candidates. If the Democratic Party wants my vote, then run progressive candidates, not Republican Light corporate shills. I've had my fill of lying sacks of fertilizer.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
20. I tried never to vote for a candidate who didn't value Constitutional guarantees. I failed with
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

0bama; I fell for his BS and I blame myself.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
12. My take
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jul 2013

I'm not a psychologist/psychiatrist but I would venture to say that perhaps the President has issues that have never been resolved, from his childhood.

And now those issues have been transferred to another forum, unfortunately for us.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
16. Nope, Progressive.org
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jul 2013

The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism... - Goring

Igel

(35,356 posts)
22. Such hostility.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jul 2013

I rather suspect the actual executive order isn't at issue.

"Peacetime" occurs thrice. The problematic one is that the executive branch is to *assess* peacetime production capacity. Not "seize" or "control" or even just "monitor." "Assess."

And its to take appropriate actions. This may seem threatening--after, imposing martial law, rounding up the population on trains and putting everybody in concentration camps may be viewed as actions that Mr. Obama can easily think are appropriate. (One has to wonder about that person's perceptions of the President, but I'm not a psychologist.

"Appropriate action may include restricting contract solicitations to reliable sources, restricting contract solicitations to domestic sources (pursuant to statutory authority), stockpiling critical components, and developing substitutes for critical components or critical technology items."

Ooh. The horro of it all. Restricting contracts to reliable sources, that tool of repressive dictators everywhere. Just using domestic sources--how nationalistic, nay, jingoistic--something Hitler would have done! And stockpiling--another word for hording, creating artificial scarcities in order to make it easier to shove us into concentration camps and starve us. Or even developing substitutes for critical components. Why, the vile, loathsome reptilian creature.

Then again, I had a nice translation gig because Pratt and Whitney had to have a backup production facility for the Russian RD-180 rocket engine because it would be used to launch US government satellites. All those Russian-language documents had to be translated so that P&W would comply with the (pre-Obama) requirement for having or developing substitutes for critical components.

There are three really big problems with the article.

1. The article shows unnecessary hostility and ill-will towards the President. It fails to motivate that hostility.
2. The article picks and chooses words from the EO and fails to put them in their proper context.
3. The article picks and chooses words from the EO and fails to put them in their proper context.

Yes, I know 2 and 3 are the same thing, but it's such a *big* point that I thought it was worth mentioning twice. (Okay--who am I paraphrasing?) For example, "national emergency" is taken to mean "war." It has a definition. "War" is part of it. Whole-part fallacies aren't my specialty, but at least I can recognize them sometimes.

This is probably from the same people that think that the US's assessment of the national security threat from global warming is a good thing, or that the reliance on overseas sources of alkali rare earth metals like lithium or transition metals like neodymium is a good thing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Whatever happened to that Peace Dividend?
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jul 2013

I remember the money we'd have from the end of the Cold War was going to go to creating jobs, health care, better schools, college for those interested...that is until terror became a substitute.

From Christopher Simpson, info on how Poppy started the big ball of wax when he pried control out of the bed-ridden Pruneface:



George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...

http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=christopher+simpson+The+Uses+of+%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&source=bl&ots=8klB0PzATX&sig=hi9DpE3qF43Oefh7iGn79W4jXQs&hl=en&ei=zAFQTeriBsr2gAfu1Mgc&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=christopher%20simpson%20The%20Uses%20of%20%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&f=false



Gangster times would be a picnic compared to what these are become.
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