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HipChick

(25,485 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:29 PM Jul 2013

What if Snowden was a foreign born national?


Who obtained US citizenship just to get Clearance so he work in Intelligence field and feed information back to a non US entity?

In the IT field, there are many Cleared foreign born nationals who are naturalized...

Snowden applied for a job just to get access to potentially classified information..

The rabbit hole can get pretty deep..
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What if Snowden was a foreign born national? (Original Post) HipChick Jul 2013 OP
But he's not is he? atreides1 Jul 2013 #1
What if I could fly around the sun? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #2
laughing so hard allin99 Jul 2013 #12
Remember the stories about Russian moles? Cleita Jul 2013 #3
I wouldn't be surprized at anything at this point..its a bizarre story HipChick Jul 2013 #5
what if he was a red-blooded true American, born in North Carolina, to a patriotic, military family quinnox Jul 2013 #4
Patriotic? HipChick Jul 2013 #7
Yes, a Patriotic Whistleblower usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #9
yup. His father served in the Coast Guard as an officer quinnox Jul 2013 #11
A long-standing NC family, in all probability FarCenter Jul 2013 #15
I would not be surprised quinnox Jul 2013 #23
Snowden is a very old established family name in Maryland too. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #30
What if he was from another planet?! leftstreet Jul 2013 #6
Or a time traveler from the future who came to warn us against a dystopian society? Fumesucker Jul 2013 #10
Or a mysterious wanderer from another dimension sibelian Jul 2013 #18
He would be taken out by a drone 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #8
I seriously doubt he'd get a TS clearance if he were foreign born. MgtPA Jul 2013 #13
Any foreign born national can get TS clearance HipChick Jul 2013 #14
Things sure have changed since the Cold War. MgtPA Jul 2013 #16
So.... you're asking for his birth certificate? sibelian Jul 2013 #17
lol quinnox Jul 2013 #21
Interesting question treestar Jul 2013 #19
Exactly...what if he had been Muslim? HipChick Jul 2013 #22
If ifs and and were pots and pans and all the sea were ink cali Jul 2013 #20
what if he had studied witchcraft and wizardry at Hogwarts and had magical powers? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #24
What if he was CIA? GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #25
What if your Aunt were your Uncle ? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #26
Now THAT is an interesting question. Number23 Jul 2013 #27
I'm not shocked.. HipChick Jul 2013 #28
What if... Rex Jul 2013 #29
Many reports indicate he lied on resume and his investigation flagged concerns HipChick Jul 2013 #32
What if he was a Russian who exposed Russian domestic spying? Marr Jul 2013 #31

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
3. Remember the stories about Russian moles?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jul 2013

These were Russians who were supposedly taught to be Americans and then sent here to live here and spy. Wasn't that red headed spy who offered to marry him purportedly one of those moles? So you think Snowden could be a national of another country who was taught to be an American for the purpose of spying?

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
5. I wouldn't be surprized at anything at this point..its a bizarre story
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

I just cannot figure out why he didn't plan out his escape better ...if he was that smart..something is off about that..

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
4. what if he was a red-blooded true American, born in North Carolina, to a patriotic, military family
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jul 2013

Oh wait, he is.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
11. yup. His father served in the Coast Guard as an officer
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jul 2013

And Snowden joined the army to serve in the Iraq war, but was unable to complete the special forces training due to an accident. I think that shows a fair degree of patriotism in his background.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. A long-standing NC family, in all probability
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jul 2013

There is a Snowden, NC near Elizabeth City.

http://northcarolina.hometownlocator.com/nc/currituck/snowden.cfm

There is a development "Snowden Crossing, in Moyock, NC

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/100-Snowden-Crossing-Dr-Moyock-NC-27958/2140614684_zpid/

(Although, possibly, there has been a name change?)

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
23. I would not be surprised
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jul 2013

I didn't look into his background any further, but I wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather or other ancestors were also military. It seems to run in families in some sections of the country.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
30. Snowden is a very old established family name in Maryland too.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jul 2013

All the way back to the early 1600's. Just fwiw.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
18. Or a mysterious wanderer from another dimension
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jul 2013

trying to introduce us to modes of thinking beyond our ken for which we are NOT YET READY?
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. He would be taken out by a drone
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jul 2013

along with everyone who's unlucky enough to be in his immediate proximity.

Well, on second thought, maybe that's an exaggeration. Actually this would
only happen if he were trying to hide out in an "Arabic" nation.

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
13. I seriously doubt he'd get a TS clearance if he were foreign born.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

Back in the 1980's, work-related foreign travel would be enough to deny a TS clearance.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
14. Any foreign born national can get TS clearance
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jul 2013

As long as they have become US citizens...that is all the requirement...

I know plenty of IT folks from India and Pakistan all with TS clearance..

In fact, I am sure if he was a Muslim there would be a different support spin on this..

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
17. So.... you're asking for his birth certificate?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jul 2013

Christ. I posted "I want to see Snowden's birth certificate" 2 weeks ago as something satirical...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. Interesting question
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jul 2013

There are some who might not appreciate it as whistle blowing then. Others seem unhinged enough to still be cheering him on. They seem to want the country embarrassed, taken down a peg and so on.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
22. Exactly...what if he had been Muslim?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jul 2013

and a US citizen? But had some beef to grind...Boston Bombers come to mind....

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. If ifs and and were pots and pans and all the sea were ink
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jul 2013

and all the trees were bread and cheese

what would there be to drink?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
27. Now THAT is an interesting question.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013

Heh. Just noticed the desperate attempts in thread to change the topic. I'm shocked, really.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. What if...
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jul 2013

they tried to shore up on who they hire for stuff like that? Failure by the govt to keep their own house in order.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
32. Many reports indicate he lied on resume and his investigation flagged concerns
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jul 2013

but they still hired him...

According to sources familiar with the matter, Snowden, a high school dropout who later passed the high school equivalency test known as the GED, stated on his resume earlier this year he attended computer-related classes at Johns Hopkins University, a Tokyo campus of the University of Maryland and the University of Liverpool in Britain.

According to the sources, the resume stated that Snowden "estimated" he would receive a master's degree in computer security from Liverpool some time this year.

Some of the educational information listed on the resume did not check out precisely, said the sources, who are not authorized to comment publicly.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/booz-allen-hamilton-edward-snowden_n_3475518.html
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
31. What if he was a Russian who exposed Russian domestic spying?
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jul 2013

And what if the Russian government did all the things our own has done in a clumsy scramble to make an example of him?

I expect you'd be cheering for Snowden and saying we should offer him amnesty.

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