My Loyalties Lie With the US Constitution. Do yours?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

Call SEDITION what it is.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

1. K&R

[JoePhilly]

2. As originally written, or as ammended?

Or with future, named or unnamed amendments?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

6. Rude

Answering a question with a question is rude.

Apparently your parents didn't bring you up right.

But, since you want to play games: LET'S PLAY!

You choose JoPhilly: As originally written, or as amended, or with future, named or unnamed amendments.

But we both know you've already responded.

[JoePhilly]

189. Attacking my parents would be rude.

But you already knew that.

The question I asked you is the same one I ask Tea Baggers who claim to love the constitution, even as they demand it be changed.

Your question was just a vague as their pronouncements. Either you can answer it, or you can't.

[atreides1]

3. Yes they do

I took the oath and still believe in it .

[leftstreet]

4. You don't even know what that word means

Yes, Snowden is actively recruiting us as revolutionaries who'll overthrow the gubmint right this minute

FFS

[OneAngryDemocrat]

11. I never mentioned the man's name...

... and for some reason, you're willing to respond, but not to the direct question of whether or not you are loyal to the Constitution.

I mean, hell, leftstreet, you don't have to love my interpretation of the Constitution - love your own!

But if you can't pull that out of your butt, I hafta ask, why are you here?

Sedition is NOT party of the Democratic Party platform.

[leftstreet]

14. Sigh. Loyalty Oath Day is Tuesday, not Saturday n/t

[OneAngryDemocrat]

16. Actually, it's every day

If you're not a democrat, you need to be honest, so we can boot you from the forum.

You can BE honest can you not?

[leftstreet]

19. Make me n/t

[OneAngryDemocrat]

23. I'm not going to

You have integrity or you do not.

Logging on under false pretenses is, however a TOS violation.

You are a democrat or you are not. If you are not, you are in the wrong place. If you are, then you ARE loyal to the Constitution.

Shoot, score, game.

[leftstreet]

29. Name the First Three Commandments of The Constitution!

Bet ya can't

[OneAngryDemocrat]

55. And I wager you can't take an oath to it

And you probably think only suckers ever would.

I call sedition what it is.

[Thinkingabout]

66. Do you think leftstreet even loves America with the disrespectful upside down American flag?

Disrespecting our nation has to be a low point for left street.

[bunnies]

120. Its a symbol of distress AND protected by the 1st amendment.

You got a problem with the constitution?

[Le Taz Hot]

156. I'm not a Democrat and I've always been honest about it.

Now, what was that about "booting me from the forum?"

[OneAngryDemocrat]

160. Hello: It's a TOS violation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Apparently, you agreed to them without reading them, or didn't care what they said.

Can you talk about both your reading skills and your own personal integrity now?

[Le Taz Hot]

163. Perhaps you can show me in TOS

where it states one MUST be a Democrat to be a member of this site. The other obvious point, of course, is that the Admins. are fully aware that I and some others are not Democrats but as long as we adhere to the rules of posting, are welcome to stay. I'm sorry, you were saying something about "reading skills?"

[OneAngryDemocrat]

164. Look, You're not on My Side, Nor My Country's...

So why on earth are you wasting time responding to anything I've written, outside of some sort of perverse pleasure you get from trolling? What are you gaining? Do you wish to see me turn from my ways? Are you seeking converts?

Or are you just a rotten person, trying to be more rotten than someone you think is rotten - gaining nothing in the process?

Sad, sad, sad...

Oh how DU has fallen.

[Le Taz Hot]

180. Well, if you recall,

it started with this:

"If you're not a democrat, you need to be honest, so we can boot you from the forum.

You can BE honest can you not?"

You challenged the poster, and as this is an open forum and since I am not a Democrat, I decided to accept your challenge.

So, anyway, I believe you were in the process of accusing me of a TOS violation and wanting to boot me from the forum . . .

[sabrina 1]

27. I do not believe that is what this OP is about. Every elected official from the President

down, plus every member of the military, takes an oath to do one thing, 'defend and protect the Constitution of the US against all enemies, both foreign and domestic'.

There was a reason why the oath did not mention 'my party right or wrong' or 'the American people' or 'the President of the US' or 'my Homeland'.

We have witnessed elected officials violate their oaths of office with no consequences and we have witnessed those who try to abide by their oaths, imprisoned and tortured.

The people have a duty to hold their elected officials accountable. We have failed to do that for a long time.

I agree with the OP, I support the Constitution until something better comes along and understand perfectly WHY this is the only duty required of our military personnel and our public officials.

[leftstreet]

34. Ahh! Thx. I thought the guy was just high

What an interesting perspective you give the thread!

[OneAngryDemocrat]

40. GOD BLESS YA!

But look how damn hard it is for the weekend trolls to say ANYHTHING remotely related to your response.

This ain't the DU.

I don't know what it is - but it is definitely NOT the Democratic Underground.

Not any more.

[leftstreet]

44. The old DU - people were less provocative

I've noticed a real shift over the years

[OneAngryDemocrat]

47. The Old DU...

Had Democrats.

I've noticed a shift over the years, too.

[leftstreet]

51. True. The Old Democratic Party did, too

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

50. The are a tiny, yet vocal, minority

Don't let them get you down, the vast majority of DU is against all this illegal spying and this issue is not going away no matter how much they spin.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

58. :)

I hear ya brother.

[TransitJohn]

5. My loyalties lie with the people of planet Earth.

Fucked up jingoistic statists can suck it.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

7. Then Openly Declare Yourself Disloyal to the Constitution...

And something other than a Democrat.

Then we can get you out of here.

I don't recall reading anything in the platform about sedition being part of the plan.

[TransitJohn]

8. Lulz.

Get me out of here.....what this message board? Or the country? WTF, dude? Weird post.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

15. Yea, Here.

The Forum. It is NOT open to anyone who doesn't support the Party.

Last time I checked, sedition was not part of the democratic party platform.

[TransitJohn]

18. The fucking leaders of the Party actively undermine the Platform.

WTF are you on about? Apropos username, by the way.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

25. In Other Words...?

You are NOT a Democrat?

[TransitJohn]

26. No, and I doubt you are, either, if these are your real thoughts

and not some weird internet act.

[Ed Suspicious]

9. What are you on about right now? Seems like you're swinging wildly at people just hoping like heck

you connect with a jaw. I suspect the world is not as black and white as you think it is, but that's just me making assumption based upon very limited information.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

12. Another Diversion.

Simple Question: ARE YOU LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION?

No tricks, no traps.

And you can't answer.

That says a lot more about you than me, my man.

[Swamp Lover]

10. Agreed. My loyalties lie with the entire human race.

The Constitution promotes the equitable treatment thereof......

[OneAngryDemocrat]

13. Another Dodge.

You radicals can not say "I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION."

Damn shame.

[Ed Suspicious]

20. I love the intent of the constitution. It's a great document, but open to interpretation. Who's

interpretation of the constitution should I love? I love mine. I don't have a clue as to my love for the constitution you worship. I don't love Scalia's, Robert's, Alito's, and Thomas' interpretation. How about you?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

54. Close Enough

Too many radicals here would obviously like to see it scrapped.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

82. Pick one.

Your choice. Past, present, future.

Only a handful of folks responding here could muster any measure of loyalty to even do that.

[TransitJohn]

21. "Radicals" lol

This place is more and more like Free Republic as the years go on. Time to call dissenters Communists and anarchists next?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

31. A Simple Question

And none of the seditious clowns can answer.

To all the DU'ers viewing this thread, I'm making it easy for you to know who to ignore.

Even if it's me.

These clowns can't even muster the patriotism to say they appreciate and love the Constitution.

My oh my how this board has gone to hell.

[TransitJohn]

35. Fuck patriotism (or in your case, Jingoism)

Fuck American Exceptionalism. Fuck genocide on the Native Americans. Fuck wars to secure corporate profit. Fuck all that shit.

Sedition? You are one weird dude.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

84. Love of one's Country Isn't Exceptional

[truebluegreen]

150. Patriotism is supporting your country all the time,

and your government when it deserves it" --Mark Twain

[leftstreet]

24. 1968 Challenger sWeEt!

[Lizzie Poppet]

122. False dichotomy, IMO.

One can be loyal to the people of the earth and still respect and advocate the rule of law. The US Constitution is one of the best examples of a foundational document for such rule.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Too simplistic. No.

Probably a better description would be the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The constitution was flawed from the start, its best part, the bill of rights, has been rendered impotent by a succession of increasingly awful courts, and the political system it set up is, quite frankly, a corrupt dysfunctional mess.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

28. WOW! I can not believe that folks will not answer a simple question that ALL our leaders SWORE an

OATH to protect and defend.

Crazy.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. The constitution is a mess.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

57. oh really, so that's why you don't support it?

[Warren Stupidity]

72. Wtf is your problem?

You and the op, what are you, a total of 12 between the two of you?

The constitution until 1868 gave some people the right to own other people as property. The constitution, until 1920 disenfranchised women. The constitution denied people the right to have a drink from 1919 until 1933. Until 1954 the constitution permitted a system of racial segregation to exist in the former confederacy.

No, that document is not something I have any particular loyalty to.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

79. My Problem is that I and my leaders took a fucking oath to protect and defend this piece of paper

and now i have to sit back and watch a bunch of anonymous cyber totalitarians shit all over it, at a time of a serious constitutional crisis?!

well, fuck that... that's my fucking problem!

[TransitJohn]

81. Decent meltdown. 6/10 eom

n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

85. "Defend this piece of paper"

Ok. Yet another reason why the military is ridiculous. Suppose tomorrow the Supreme Court decides that after all we are a theocracy and everyone has to pray to jesus in order to be a citizen. You would defend that constitution?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

91. It is NOT just the military, it is required by ALL our political leaders, too.

"Suppose tomorrow the Supreme Court decides that after all we are a theocracy and everyone has to pray to jesus in order to be a citizen. You would defend that constitution?"

That would be AGAINST our constitution, and therefore illegal, but let's say some theocratic totalitarians put it in there, we would have the RIGHT to challenge and change it, just like has been done in the past, and is why it has my loyalty.

but what if I could shoot missiles out my ass...

[Warren Stupidity]

93. The constitution, ducky, is whatever the Supreme Court says it is.

And they have, for example, walked back most of the bill of rights.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

102. yeah, if it walks like a duck...

"And they have, for example, walked back most of the bill of rights."

and, Stupidity, that has squat to do with the simple question.

That has everything to do with the SCOTUS, NOT the constitution.

[Warren Stupidity]

107. No really it has everything to do with the original question.

As currently interpreted, my opinion is that the constitution is a shit document. Were it interpreted differently I might have a different opinion.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

112. "my opinion is that the constitution is a shit document' thanks for the honesty

again, the interpretation has ZERO to do with the document, and everything to do with the SCOTUS.

think about it...

[Warren Stupidity]

114. Ok I'll think about that. Hmmmm.... Yeah that was a waste of time.

I've had more useful conversations with a babbling brook.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

117. likewise

[OneAngryDemocrat]

121. Why can't you muster the courage...

Why can't you just say, I HATE THE CONSTITUTION!

Lack of courage?

[Warren Stupidity]

129. Why would I hate a piece of paper?

I've already stated that the Holy Constitution is a flawed document that unintentionally set up a corrupt corporate controlled federal government. But I don't hate it. It is just a piece of paper. The bill of rights, back when it was active, was a pretty good start at defining human rights. Unfortunately most of those rights have been discarded since the court moved right starting with the Burger court. So really, as far as I am concerned there is not a lot there to be proud of, let alone swear a loyalty oath to.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

32. So you are NOT a Democrat?

Is that what you are saying?

[Warren Stupidity]

46. How you got that out of my reply is a mystery to me.

But no, I am an anarcho socialist, or if you prefer a decentralized democratic socialist, who votes for Democratic Party candidates, works for their election, contributes to their campaigns, because the other half of the duopoly is even more vile than the corrupt corporate democrats who get to run for office, and there are no viable third parties in this country because of the awful system the Glorious Constitution unintentionally set up.

[TransitJohn]

60. According to OP, you don't belong here

I think that's about all I'm getting out of this thread.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

135. That is Correct

You ain't a democrat - you're in the wrong place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[OneAngryDemocrat]

64. Then why all the Hi-Jinks?

Just proclaim that you HATE the Constitution!

Lack of honesty?

Lack of integrity?

What are you missing?

Stand up!

[Warren Stupidity]

78. Maybe you should consider joining the Constitution Party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

You might fit in better. Plus they like loyalty oaths.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

127. And Maybe you should leave the DU

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Warren Stupidity]

130. Ok, if you say so.

I'll pack my stuff and be out in the morning.

[Apophis]

22. My loyalties lie with the people.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

33. Another Non-Democrat

I'm bringing them out of the shadows, folks.

Like cockroaches.

A little bit of light makes 'em scurry around.

[TransitJohn]

38. Scurry around?

Who died and made you Pope of this dump?

[Apophis]

41. Where the hell did you get that from?

[TransitJohn]

62. I think he's administering the loyalty test

or something?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

65. Loyalty to the Constitution is a Valid Loyalty Oath.

If not, explain.

[TransitJohn]

71. I don't need to take any fucking loyalty oath to you, or any piece of paper you want me to,

that's my right as a citizen. I have no office requiring such bullshit, and your weird fixation on labeling people is strange to me. Maybe you should read DU's TOS again, and realize that all with a liberal bent are welcome here.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

126. Glad you brought it up

Glad you brought it up:

Terms of Service

By registering a Democratic Underground account, you agree to abide by these terms. A single violation of any of these terms could result in your posting privileges being revoked without warning.

The Democratic Underground Administrators have a great deal of confidence in our system of citizen jurors and software tools, but we are well aware that trolls are constantly on the lookout for new ways to cause trouble and therefore on rare occasions it may necessary for us to revoke a member's posting privileges for reasons that are not covered by these Terms of Service. Because of this necessity, we retain the right to revoke any member's posting privileges at any time for any reason.

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

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Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

If you are NOT a democrat you ARE in the wrong place.

[TransitJohn]

128. This train wreck right wing loyalty oath thread you've started appears to be a TOS violation

Please point out any of my TOS violations?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

36. WTF does that even mean? The constitution is the codification of the rights that we the people have

Anything else, like some amorphous, "i'm with the people", is not worth spit.

We are on a democratic site and there are people here don't support the U.S. constitution that I served in the USN to protect and defend no matter what?!



No wonder we have so many problems on this site today, especially folks unwilling to support the 1st and 4th amendments.

YIKES!

[Apophis]

39. I support universal human rights.

What's so hard to understand about that?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

42. Yeah, so do I, and I support the U.S. constitution...

do you?

[Apophis]

48. Of course I do.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

53. Good, you wouldn't have known that by your initial vague response

[Apophis]

59. I have a problem with the word "loyal."

[OneAngryDemocrat]

74. Apparently, so...

Stand up tall, and proclaim yourself DISLOYAL!

[Generic Other]

192. Last time someone asked anyone in my family the question you are asking

they ended up in a relocation camp called Hart Mountain because someone's loyalty was questioned. This is an ugly road you insist on going down..

[WovenGems]

30. What's your point, pilgrim?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

37. I think he's made his point quite clearly.

[treestar]

43. Yes

Though I suppose any variation from your interpretations regarding issues arising under it will be labeled disloyalty.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

69. I doubt it, that is one of the best features of our constitution, it is meant to be changed

However, be prepared to have a damn good reason to change any of the rights granted to we the people.

Obviously, if ANY of those rights are exclusionary, than they need to be changed, but I am pretty sure that we fixed must of those issues... the only problem now in my mind is corporations trying to sneak the fuck in under the personhood clauses.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

161. Nope.

I just thought it would be interesting to see how many folks would say "Fuck the Constitution."

As we can see, it's been a quite a lot.

[Ohio Joe]

45. I just finished a nice bowl of Purple Cotton and.... Thats some dumb ass shit

How can one be loyal to a document that has a built in change mechanism... WTF?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

61. That is one of it's FINEST components, hello!

[Ohio Joe]

80. My vaporizer has fine components... I'm not particularly loyal to it...

He held his arm too stiffly, and so was thrown back repeatedly,
until at last I seized his forearm and snapped it back against
itself. His training suffered while the arm healed, of course,
but I felt this was a lesson he must learn early, and well.

-- Spartan Kel,
"Honing the Ki"
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

88. yeah, good for you

[Ohio Joe]

98. It is good for me...

I don't publicly profess my loyalties in an effort to call others traitors... I like the constitution, it's an ok document... It does need a bit of tweaking before it will get me to start jumping up and down in the public square professing my loyalty... But you have fun with it

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

108. What parts need 'tweaking'?

BTW: This is all about the NSA scandal, and the folks who do not have a problem with spying also have ZERO problems calling some traitors.

Now, when it comes to asking where people stand on the constitution everyone turns into a fucking dime-store lawyer.

yeah, that is real clever... call yourselves dems, and won't even support our country foundational document.

[Ohio Joe]

123. Several... But it now seems that is not what you are even talking about... WTF?

"BTW: This is all about the NSA scandal, and the folks who do not have a problem with spying also have ZERO problems calling some traitors."

I have a problem with spying... I have not called anyone traitor... WTF? If this was what you wanted to talk about... Go talk about it.

"Now, when it comes to asking where people stand on the constitution everyone turns into a fucking dime-store lawyer."

Have you been smoking more then I have? I mean... I have moved on to some very nice Strawberry Cough (I'm prepping for some BL2) so... A loyalty test is posted and you are surprised liberals do not much go for that? Really?

"yeah, that is real clever... call yourselves dems, and won't even support our country foundational document."

oh... Now it is 'support' it... I support the constitution. Words have meanings... And conversations often have topics, and I have no idea what the topic of this one is so... I'm done with the patriot games for now.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

125. I'm listening... so far you said a whole lot of nothing on that topic

[OneAngryDemocrat]

131. Fair, but...

What's wrong with professing one's loyalty in an effort to call out the traitors?

I think we can both agree that those who have not supported the Constitution have been instrumental in dismantling it.

Don't you think we should call a spade a spade?

Or is that too impolite?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

134. TOS

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Warren Stupidity]

144. I think you ought to alert on all of the disloyal shits.

[Ohio Joe]

147. bwahahahahahahahaha....

Yeah... Alert with the ToS checked

[Fumesucker]

52. I don't see the term "sedition" in the US Constitution

I just searched the text of the US Constitution and that word does not appear.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

63. Yeah, that's the word that is applied when you do not hold allegiance to it

[Fumesucker]

73. Eh, we have a bunch of "cafeteria constitutionalists" here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

Congress repealed the Sedition Act on December 13, 1920

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

86. Eh, nobody is talking about that old law, I am talking about the meaning of the word

which is also known as TREASON.

Eh, we have a bunch of "cafeteria constitutionalists" here.

[Warren Stupidity]

141. Treason has a specific constitutional meaning

See article three. Not swearing loyalty to the constitution is not in the definition. Nor is, for example, having the opinion that the current interpreted state of that document is shit.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

67. No - But you do see the terms...

Enemies, foreign and domestic...

[Fumesucker]

76. Enemies like Smirk and Sneer, right?

[Warren Stupidity]

89. Oh noes! Quick call the FBI. Wait, no need, they've got all this anyway.

[former9thward]

56. Yes, that is what Nixon said.

When the Pentagon papers were released. And what Cheney is saying now. The company we keep....

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. No! I'm a totalitarian!

I'ma go tell my kids some bedtime stories, then worship before my Obama Poster.

Be back later!

[TransitJohn]

75. Thanks for the levity. This train wreck of a thread needs it.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

119. Glad I amused you

Perhaps you could amuse me by defining what makes you an American other than - perhaps - the hospital room where you were born?

[TransitJohn]

124. Uh, that is what makes me an American.

As the United States is a birthright citizenship country. It's in the Constitution, which you were on about earlier. And the post you were replying to wasn't directed at you.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

132. Where you were born, and THAT'S IT?

Pathetic.

[TransitJohn]

133. No, your jingoism and right wing statism is what's pathetic. eom

n/t

[OneAngryDemocrat]

137. No, Clown.

And I don't support 'statism' - which is anathema to right-wingers.

I support FEDERALISM. Which is also anathema to right-wingers.

And apparently you, too.

[Ed Suspicious]

152. Well now, you are loyal to the constitution or you are not. If the constitution ascribes

citizenship upon the natural born with no other test... well than it is what it is, if you don't like it live with it or exercise your "disloyalty" and try to change it.

Why are do you find yourself dissonant to the constitution?

[sadbear]

70. I think the US Constitution is responsible for where we are today.

I'll have to think about your question for a while. I'll get back to you.

[dawg]

77. I'm loyal to the Constitution.

To me, it's a no-brainer. It is the defining document of America.

[Rex]

83. Never trust anyone.

nt.

[bunnies]

87. You seem to be saying that those who wont take your loyalty oath are not Democrats.

Please point me to the section of the Democratic platform that requires such a thing. I'll wait. Thanks.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

92. Don't Wait Too Long on My Account...

"America's leadership extends beyond our economic prosperity and military might—it is also rooted in our enduring commitment to advancing a core set of universal values. These include an individual's freedom to speak their mind, assemble without fear, have access to information, worship as they please, and choose their own leaders. They also include dignity, tolerance, and equality among all people, and the fair and equitable administration of justice.The United States was founded upon a belief in these values, and people of every race, region, and religion around the globe have claimed these principles as their own. The President and the Democratic Party believe that nations that embrace these values for their citizens are ultimately more prosperous, peaceful, and friendly to the United States than those that do not.

We must always seek to uphold these values at home, not just when it is easy, but, more importantly, when it is hard. Advancing our interests may involve new actions and policies to confront threats like terrorism, but the President and the Democratic Party believe these practices must always be in line with our Constitution, preserve our people's privacy and civil liberties, and withstand the checks and balances that have served us so well."

Democratic Party National Platform, 2012
http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform#universal-values

My daddy always used to say to me, "Son, those sonsuvbitches who think they know everything just irritate the fuck out of those of us who really do."

[bunnies]

94. Still missing the part about the oath. nt

[OneAngryDemocrat]

97. Of Course you are...

The Party platform only said that the party's policies must be in line with the Constitution for laughs.

[bunnies]

100. in line with the constitution = loyalty oath?

Alrighty then.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

106. No, Sedition is NOT Alright.

The shoe is on the other foot... why should anyone consider sedition, "alright"?

What is so damn difficult about saying, "I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION!"

You pick the version! Past, present or future. You can't do it. YOU HATE and despise those of us who can. And that's why this thread is here. I want to know who the clowns. I'm getting a quick education.

[bunnies]

111. Good lord.

Thats some crazy ass shit, man. Youre creepin me out.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

116. Cool - I'm Glad.

Those who despise the Constitution should be creeped out.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

103. What Oath are you having trouble with?

The "I am loyal to the US Constitution" oath?

[Warren Stupidity]

90. K&R. Nothing says stupid like loyalty oath posts.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

95. Sure...

Disloyalty Oaths are equally stupid.

But at least in this case, I'm making it easier for the assholes to put me on ignore, while I return the favor.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

96. This isn't an oath, it's a got damn question, that a few here seem to have a problem with

interesting, probably most of whom that don't have a problem with the universal spying issue either.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

99. BINGO!

You win a cigar.

[Warren Stupidity]

101. No it is a loyalty oath post. And it is the funniest post so far today.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

113. Call it what you want.

And you'd have a hard time telling me what defines you as an American outside of the hospital room where you may have been brought into this world.

So there we are.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

115. yeah, that sounds right, one who also thinks our constitution is shit

Way to live up to your name

[Warren Stupidity]

118. I do thing that. You got me there. Plus you've used my name against me. I am slain.

[indepat]

104. Any American whose loyalties do not fully lie with the Constitution of the United States

imo is the antithesis of a loyal and patriotic American. Government cannot and has never kept every American safe from harms way. Government even goes to extreme measures to make the sacrosanct 2nd Amendment absolute, an absurdity that contributes to the needless deaths of thousands of Americans, an absurdity widely accepted by the general public. Concomitantly, government spends countless billions of dollars ostensibly to keep us safe from terra, all the while quashing many constitutional protections it has sworn to protect, defend, and preserve to better ferret out terrorists. If only all who have taken an oath for national office would read and follow their oaths of office rather than eschew same, governance should improve exponentially.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

110. Bravo, Brother! Well Said!

[geckosfeet]

105. Constitution. And the bill of rights. Including the 4A.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

109. Bravo, Brother!

Too damn difficult for the poseurs.

[LostOne4Ever]

136. My loyalties lies with Humanity as a whole above all else.

Constitution is a great document but it is not perfect. It once was used to protect slavery and the 10th amendment is all to often used to defend authoritarianism and bigots. I will always stand by what makes the human condition better.

Again, the constitution is great, but far from perfect and I will always always be on the side of human rights and dignity.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

139. Wonderful!

You wrote something that too many fake democrats posting here just couldn't do.

Confederate sympathizers, communists, anarchists - I don't know where this bunch comes from.

But they sure ain't democrats.

[LostOne4Ever]

151. I stand solidly behind the democratic party

Because I deeply believe that is the best way to promote the values I supported above.

On almost every single issue the democratic party is the one on the right side of the issues. While they may occasionally do something I oppose, in the end voting democratic is the single best way to improve human rights and dignity in this country.

I believe If you vote for a third party you are essentially helping the republican gain power. If you don't vote you are voting in support of whoever wins. If you vote Republican you are voting against human rights and dignity in every way possible.

I am a realist. I know it will take playing politics, time and effort to get this country on the right track, and looking at the big picture it makes no sense to vote in a way that ULTIMATELY hurt the goals I want to promote. My ultimate loyalty is to improving the human condition and there is no better way of accomplishing that than by voting democrat.

You can count on my vote for the long haul.

[freshwest]

186. +1

[Harmony Blue]

138. Good post.

Bravo!

[OneAngryDemocrat]

140. I wanted to bring out the fakes: Mission Accomplished

[Warren Stupidity]

142. We have met the enemy and he is us.

Pogo. Way before your time.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

143. Sedition Always is.

DOH.

[Warren Stupidity]

145. What's funny is you have a Malcolm X quote as your sig.

But I digress. 1857. Supremes just issued Dred Scott. Are you loyal to,that constitution? Or do you, like the radical abolitionists, do everything in your power to subvert it?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

148. Nice Job Taping the Spirit of Rand Paul

And you do digress.

The Supreme Court brought us the Dred Scott ruling. The Constitution brought us the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments which nullified the Court's decision.

You are swine, dude.

Immoral as fuck - just another libertarian prick trolling the liberals.

[Warren Stupidity]

188. Oink, no answer, oink.

Didn't think you could address the issue of "which constitution". Please keep the insults coming.

[bluestate10]

146. Yes, absolutely. What causes you to decide that people that don't agree with your

conclusions on an issue don't support the Constitution as much, if not more than you do?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

149. I never came to any such conclusion...

I just wanted to see who couldn't - warts and all - bring themselves to say "I LOVE MY CONSTITUTION!"

And there was a ton of 'em.

It's one thing to say America is "The glass is half empty" flawed.

It is another thing to say America is "The glass is half full" flawed.

It is totally different beast to say "Fuck America."

The Constitution - no matter what form it takes - is the United States.

And if someone can't support THAT - no matter what form it takes, well - that's sedition.

And I don't recall DU having ever been so top-heavy with seditious bastards than it is today.

Damn shame, too.

[Skittles]

153. teabaggers loves them some constitution

[OneAngryDemocrat]

155. Thats what they Say...

...but you have to have read the thing first.

[Melinda]

154. Thomas Jefferson said 'Bullshit' when asked this same question.

Okay, I made the bullshit part up. But he did say this:

Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:459, Papers 15:396

Damn you Jefferson, you treasonous traitor you!!!

[OneAngryDemocrat]

158. Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist...

He opposed a strong Federal government.

Let's both be happy and glad that he wasn't the head of the government during the American Civil War.

[Melinda]

162. There would be no US Constitution if the Southern States had not signed on...

And the majority of those signers were Federalists AND slave owners.

Your assertion is static - the law is not.

Next.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

165. I Didn't Make an Assertion

I stated a fact.

And I don't dispute what you had to say in response.

However, what you had to say in response had no bearing on the topic.

You neglect that, as an Anti-Federalist, Jefferson preferred the Articles of Confederation over a Federal Constitution.

Curious that you would quote him to try to make a point in this topic.

[Melinda]

179. It has everything to do with the topic....

Jefferson was an anti-federalist, he didn't believe in a centralized federal power, he vehemently wrote against this power and yet he was elected President, and he affirmed his Oath of Office required by the Constitution.

"Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle. We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists."

The point I've tried to make repeatedly here is contained in Jefferson's words above.. Just because some Democrats may disagree with your opinion (all must swear fealty), all Democrats here believe in the "principle" of our Constitution, and when called to duty (elected) as Jefferson was, we each affirm our allegiance to the Constitution.

Membership in DU doesn't require we affirm our loyalty on the board. And therein lies the disagreement I have with your assertion.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

181. OK

I get it.

I disagree, but I get it.

I disagree because a lot - MOST - of the responses weren't about differences in constitutional principles. Again and again, when some said, "I love the constitution, but..." I didn't proselytize, or shut 'em down: A gave 'em an attaboy.

What I was looking for were those who - in their own bizarre value system - gave me and my family the same consideration as a family on the other side of the planet. They see some sort of weird equitability in a factory shutting down here in my home town with another opening up in India.

BACKGROUND: I live in Freeport, Illinois. We were the town that lost the Sensata plant to China last year when Romney boxed the place up and shipped it off. 170 jobs blasted into oblivion. I spent that whole summer cooking for the plant workers camping out in the tent city they set up across the street. TV coverage, election year, fingers crossed... NOTHING.

Same time as the plant shut down, K-Mart closed up... another 50 jobs gone.

A month later, and you can't make this shit up, they shut down the unemployment office!

Right after that, with state budget cuts, they shut down the DMV. Downtown is a ghost town.

I ain't got time for bullshit.

This country ain't got time for bullshit.

DU is for democratic activists or it is not.

[Melinda]

183. Man, I well recall the Sensata shut downs, protests and Romney BS... Many, many here wrote...

about it here, wrote letters, left commentary on other sites, talked about it in our communities, with family, friends, and organizations we belong to (in my case my local County Democratic Party). If you do a DU search for "Sensata", you'll see that we did. We were outraged about what has happened to your community, and we did our individual best to try and stop the outsourcing of America by electing President Obama.

I can understand your disillusion and hurt and anger. I think everyone on DU empathizes with you and your community. And I wish that you were right about DU being for activists, but for the most part, it's not.

We opened a forum for Activism some years back... can't recall exactly when, I think perhaps 2005 (don't hold me to it), and a few calls to action aside (letter writing, local protests, some meet-ups), the forum failed. Those of us who participated in the forum would get a DU automated mail calling for action... and then it all stopped.

There is far more discussion (or what passes for discussion, don't get me started) in GD and in Politics 2013) then there is in the group (community and single issue forums), and one probably needs to find more issue specific discussion there, which is unfortunate since GD has the most exposure.

Anyway, fwiw, I don't believe that most members of DU feel about outsourcing and the devastation to your town as you may think.... I think that the issues that should matter most - like your and yours and others in similar situation - I think they get buried as a result of emotionally driven singular issues and political propaganda which might be better suited on DU in other forums than GD.

I wish I could help you. Tell me how and I'll do my best. I *get* your anger and you are entitled to every ounce of it. I am angry too, and I wish I could do something to help.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

184. ROCKFORD SONS OF LIBERTY

We still act, locally. We're a small suburb of the city in Illinois with the worst unemployment in the state in one of the states with the worst unemployment in the nation and THE worst state budget shortfall.

Ain't no cavalry coming.

We don't have the nation's attention any more, but we keep plugging.

If you'd like to see what we're up to, stop by and give us a holler.

We're mix of OCCUPY activists, MoveOn, PDA, CodePINK, SEIU, AFSCME.

Everything. We back each other up attending each other group's events for the media: Makes for a better picture on the evening news.

I don't know if you're aware but none of those Sensata plant workers were unionized.

We had fuck-tards driving by yelling at the tent city to "Blame the union!"

I wanted to strangle folks for a while, last year, I really did.

Believe it or not, I've calmed down and chilled out.

Specifically send a shout out to the Sensata guys: They'll appreciate it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/RockfordSOL/

[Melinda]

185. I took a sneak peek, and will read more tomorrow... it's late here, even later in Rockford.

Your site needs a like button.

And DU members need to work on these issues, together. You have my attention, my dear. You do. I appreciate our conversation, and I salute all your hard work. This sure ain't the America we grew up in, is it.

G'nite - till next time. I send you much respect and all my best wishes. :

[freshwest]

187. Strong story. Didn't know you were from there. Any chance for new jobs, or are people moving out?

You said ghost town.

Are the houses going vacant too?

This is a crime.

[Warren Stupidity]

191. All of which was entirely constitutional.

Our constitution is far more concerned with property rights than people rights, and does nothing at all to protect people from predatory capitalism. Quite the opposite.

[NuclearDem]

157. My loyalties lie with human dignity, reason, and civil liberties

Constitution used to say slavery was ok. What it does right, it does right. What is outdated, has to go.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

159. Cool!

It's damn difficult to get folks in this neck of the woods to say that.
Damn shame.




PS: The Constitution did support slavery... until it didn't.

[Alamuti Lotus]

166. how's that cockroach-traitor hunt going, OneObviousTroll?

Congratulations on getting so much attention with your clumsy flame bait (attention even from your humble narrator, in a way). Not too many people have a sense of irony so highly developed as to use a site's rules as a hammer in the same breath as calling that site's users cockroaches and traitors; kudos for that, and nothing else.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

167. Pretty Good.

The roaches have been coming out of the wood work like crazy.

They can't help themselves.

[Bobbie Jo]

168. The sock drawer sure is active tonight.

This isn't even a good caricature.

[Skip Intro]

169. My loyalties are with the US Constitution above ANY politician.

And I am glad to see so many DUers feel the same.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

171. God Bless ya!

The commie agitators and libertarian cockroaches have been busy all night.

Damn good to see a patriot stand up!

[otohara]

170. Not Happy With 2nd Amendment

Muskets are now arsenals.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

173. Then Change it...

This post was simply a way to drag the seditious guttersnipes out of their holes.
And, by God, they came out in DROVES!

If a cocksucker ain't got no loyalty to the nation, he ain't got no loyalty to me as a fellow American.

That makes him worse than useless - than makes 'em an OBSTRUCTION.

[Posteritatis]

172. No, but I'm not American in the first place, so meh.

The Manicheanism in this thread is fascinating, though.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

175. Well, Fuck, If We Can't Count on your Vote...

...What are you contributing to the cause?

Time? Money?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

174. Why do you think I chose Jeffersons Ghost for my online name not long after 9/11

Are we up to the USA PATRIOT ACT 3 yet?

[OneAngryDemocrat]

176. Never Thought About it...

I do know that the PATRIOT Act is a statute - not an amendment.

My loyalty is to the Constitution.

Not to a politician, not to any one law.

There's too many of both creeping around here.

[Aerows]

177. My word

I served on a jury for a post in this thread, and frankly, this entire thing should be hidden. It's nothing but flame bait. Another juror said the exact same thing in the results.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

178. It is Flamebait...

But if the guy next to me thinks he owes me and my family as much consideration as some family in Red China, this nation is done.

And you can take that to the Bank.

Unless the Bank comes and takes it first.

We need loyal DEMOCRATS.

We need AMERICANS.

Progressive, liberal, moderate, blue dog - whatever.

But if America ain't their primary concern, how on earth are we going to compete - long term - with the GOP?

The global agenda is murdering us. The global agenda IS the 1% plan for us. And I ain't no isolationist. But we can't be foolin' around with these guys.

I'll be blunt: They shouldn't be here posting. They serve no purpose. They distract.

I've been coming here for years - mostly for the breaking news forum.

Tonight was the first night that I IGNORED anyone.

I don't recognize this place: It's nuts. A combo of libertarians, anarchists, and what-not.

I asked a simple question: Are you loyal to the Constitution. No tricks, no traps, nothing up my sleeve.

And look where it went.

It's disgusting.

As a vet, I'm MORTIFIED.

[Warren Stupidity]

190. The best part of loyalty oath threads is when the op, outraged at all the willful

Disobedience, sedition, treason, and downright disloyalty, flames right out of his own thread.