If you speak Spanish, Evo Morales is speaking right now

[Catherina]

giving lots of details to Latin America about what happened.

http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo

Cries of Chavez Vive, La Lucha Sigue every few minutes. The people are fired up. President Correa spoke about 13 minutes ago. Workers and unions spoke too. Fired up is putting it lightly. Other UNASUR heads of state are in attendance.

IN SPANISH

[oberliner]

1. And even if you don't, he's still speaking!

Sorry - just funny phrasing.

[PoliticAverse]

2. Beat me to it.. n/t

[A HERETIC I AM]

27. Yes, but if you don't speak Spanish....

he might as well be speaking Urdu.


Unless of course, you speak Urdu, in which case, he's speaking Spanish.

If you speak both Urdu AND Spanish, then he's speaking Icelandic.

[sabrina 1]

159. Would you like someone to translate for you? Or are you just not interested in which case thanks

for kicking a thread I would not want to have missed.

[treestar]

76. Yep like waitresses saying "My name's Jane if you need anything."

What is your name if I don't need anything?

[oberliner]

103. Huh?

I was just saying the phrasing of the post was funny.

[Catherina]

116. I thought your post was cute and very funny lol

Made me laugh

[oberliner]

119. I'm glad!

And, on a more serious note, thanks for being so on top of this story.

[zeemike]

111. Tinpot little creep?

Where do you get this stuff...from Jingo Nation?

[Catherina]

115. Plonk n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I wonder if he'll answer the numerous questions raised in this article:

The Tale of the Re-Routed Bolivian President's Plane Is Falling Apart

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/tale-re-routed-bolivian-presidents-plane-falling-apart/66838/

[cantbeserious]

6. That News Story Has Already Been Debunked - Appears To Be PsyOp Backpedaling

eom

[flamingdem]

28. I find it fasinating that Morales is going ahead with this when

the facts are not clear.

Seems like he is running with the offense he did receive to push through Constitutional reform

[flamingdem]

20. So far no facts. Just saying that the Europeans are cowardly

He can't understand them, they don't follow treaties

We're in the time of people not imperialism

That he wants to boot out the Americans

That there are probably CIA in the audience

That we're better off economically without the USA

We are sovereign

Have received many phone calls supporting us

- They're going to make the biggest march in the history of Bolivia
for their new constitution - to obligate the congress to approve it

(Is this what the whole thing is about? I don't follow Bolivian politics much)

[cantbeserious]

33. Fact Is - The Plane Of A Head Of State Was Diverted Over Europe - Despite US Denials And Backpedaling

eom

[flamingdem]

41. The only instance that wasn't justified is France

I think that Bolivia is having a shit fit without even being sure what happened

[JimDandy]

58. They have a cockpit recorder.

The people on his plane are probably among the small subset of people on the planet that do know what went on.

[flamingdem]

61. Why don't they share that info? The Austria landing recording revealed nothing nt

[JimDandy]

71. That is an interesting question I have asked myself.

It could clear up many doubts and provide irrefutable proof of the actions (and their timing) of many of the players in this international drama.

[flamingdem]

73. That's so true. I guess all will be revealed in a trial sure to be held

I'm guessing they keep all those recordings and exchanges

[sabrina 1]

161. Too bad for the Imperialists who were busy in the ME doing what they had done in Latin America

for so long, stealing their resources, that Latin America is now a unified force, not just one leader for the propaganda machine to bash, but a Latin American version of NATO, so we are no longer dealing only with one of those countries at a time, it is a force to be reckoned with, not the image the West has always pushed of Latin America. Good for them, watching them over the past decade has been inspiring, taking back their countries out of the hands of Global Corps, while Europe went in the opposite direction.

Throughout the dark days of Bush's invasions of the ME, the emerging democracies in Latin America gave the world hope that finally, the IMF, the World Bank had lost its grip on all of those countries as one by one they took their countries future into their own hands.

It was a huge mistake to treat both Ecuador and Bolivia as if it was still 1980 and we had any influence there. All of our Dictator Friends have been replaced by Democratically elected leaders. THIS incident will only unite those countries as none of them want a return to the old Reagan death squad days.

[Cleita]

4. Listening.

He's a good speaker.

[magellan]

5. Times like these, I wish I knew more than the bad words in Spanish. n/t

[Catherina]

7. Right now saying that Latin American resources do not belong to the US

and that neoliberals hate the progress Latin American countries have made taking care of their people because they do it better than the neoliberals are.

Our sin is that we are anti-imperialists, they don't understand that we can govern better than neoliberals."

[flamingdem]

101. He's right about that

I hope Russia and China give them a better deal

[Catherina]

8. I think he just closed the US embassy in Bolivia. Threw them out.

Darn it. I was distracted. But he definitely said something about that. Either that he should, could, would or is.

There was lots of cheering regardless of what he said.

He said it's a big spy center for destabilizing them.

[Catherina]

13. "we do not need a US Embassy in #Bolivia!" n/t

[magellan]

21. Wow!

I can't wait for clarification on that. Is it a threat or is he really ordering the embassy closed?



Thank you for transcribing what he saying, Catherina!

[Catherina]

151. "Bolivia's leader threatens to close US embassy"

Bolivia's leader threatens to close US embassy
AFP Updated July 5, 2013, 12:12 pm


COCHABAMBA, Bolivia (AFP) - Bolivia's president threatened to close the US embassy as leftist Latin American leaders joined him in blasting Europe and the United States after his plane was rerouted amid suspicions US fugitive Edward Snowden was aboard.

President Evo Morales, who has suggested the United States pressured European nations to deny him their airspace, warned he would "study, if necessary, closing the US embassy in Bolivia."

"We don't need a US embassy in Bolivia," he said. "My hand would not shake to close the US embassy. We have dignity, sovereignty. Without the United States, we are better politically, democratically."

...

The US consulate's walls in the city of Santa Cruz were sprayed with red graffiti, one reading "Gringos Obama out," while some 100 protesters burned flags and threw rocks at the French embassy in La Paz late Wednesday.

...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/17876985/bolivias-leader-threatens-to-close-us-embassy/

[Luminous Animal]

9. Michael Moore via twitter...

Michael Moore ?@MMFlint 2 Jul

The most badass thing Morales could do is fly back to Moscow, NOW, pick up Snowden, & take him out of there -- and dare Europe to stop him.

[Catherina]

104. I wish he would. I wish someone would. Maduro has a better jet, with a longer range

I'm not a pilot but it seems to me they could reroute over Finland and avoid belligerent countries.

I wish Snowden were on a slow boat to Ecuador right now.

[Cleita]

10. He's really giving it to the European nations who are cowering under the thumb of the USA. n/t

[riverbendviewgal]

117. They are also cowering with FATCA

even thought republican Posey said the USA will not reciprocate and get non americans who bank in USA info and give to their countries.

...http://www.international-adviser.com/news/tax---regulation/us-congressman-unveils-bill



US congressman raises doubts US will reciprocate on FATCA
FROM TAX & REGULATION JUL 4 2013 BY: HELEN BURGGRAF , CONTRIBUTING EDITOR , INTERNATIONAL ADVISER

US congressman has highlighted a potential problem in the complex arrangements under which financial institutions in foreign countries are being persuaded to provide financial information to the American tax authorities, to comply with FATCA.

Opponents of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, including a US group called RepealFATCA.com, are jumping on recent comments made by Florida Republican Rep Bill Posey.

Posey, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, is casting doubt on the Treasury’s ability to guarantee US financial institutions will be able to provide foreign governments with the sorts of data FATCA obliges foreign financial institutions to provide to the US

[Poll_Blind]

11. Catherina, you are doing an awesome job keeping everyone informed and I appreciate it a lot!

PB

[laundry_queen]

14. Agreed! nt

[magellan]

23. +1!

[MannyGoldstein]

77. +1 nm

[East Coast Pirate]

88. Great stuff!

[zeemike]

112. Yes she is.

[Mojorabbit]

128. + a gazillion. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

146. indeed!!! keep it up!!

[railsback]

12. The only parts I can understand

are 'Evil Empire' and 'the DU agrees'.

[Catherina]

15. UNASUR is going to seriously discuss the issue of sovereignty. To help liberate not just Latin Amer

#Morales says UNASUR is going to seriously discuss the issue of sovereignty. To help liberate not just Latin America but Europe too!

[Cleita]

17. He went down the list of Presidents who called him to offer their support. n/t

[Catherina]

16. My hand would not shake if and when I close the U.S. Embassy. We're better off without the U.S.

"My hand would not shake if and when I close the U.S. Embassy. We're better off without the U.S."

[magellan]

24. Ah. That clarifies things. n/t

[Catherina]

18. "we are better off socially and economically without the USA." Compares treatment from China and Rus

"we are better off socially and economically without the USA." Compares bad US treatment to the good treatment they get from China and Russia.

[Catherina]

19. Our fight for the people goes further than just Latin America

"Nuestra lucha va más allá de América Latina"

[lunasun]

160. that is awesome!!

[Catherina]

22. Anti imperialist, anti-capitalist CONSCIENCE from the shit they put us through

millions died for our sovereignty. We will not betray that

[Catherina]

25. Giving shit to the European countries for being under the thumb of the US

“Nuestro delito es ser indígena y antiimperialista”

Our sin is that we're indigenous and antiimperialist

[Judi Lynn]

94. Thanks so much for your help. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

26. Thanks for this... @jaraparilla providing translations also on twitter.

https://twitter.com/jaraparilla

[think]

30. Thanks for this link as well

[flamingdem]

31. This has been debunked, the Austrians didn't even know why they landed

Classified ?@jaraparilla 1m

#Morales notes that boarding a President's plane is only legally OK during a war and says social groups will help prevent another coup.

[Luminous Animal]

34. What does not knowing why they landed have to do with boarding and searching the plane?

[flamingdem]

36. They did not search the plane. They did a routine passport check

Morales has no problem with Austria

[Luminous Animal]

40. I know that. The Spanish Ambassador wanted to inspect the plane.

Morales refused.

[flamingdem]

43. When did that happen? Link? nt

[Cleita]

47. Here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/bolivia-snowden_n_3539179.html

Morales originally planned to fly home from a Moscow summit via Western Europe, stopping in Lisbon, Portugal and Guyana to refuel. His plane was diverted to Vienna Tuesday night after his government said France, Spain and Portugal all refused to let it through their airspace because they suspected Snowden was on board. Spain's ambassador to Austria even tried to make his way onto the plane on the pretext of having a coffee to check that Snowden wasn't there, Morales said.

There are various other articles on Google about the incident. I don't have all of them.

[Democracyinkind]

51. First link that came up...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/03/nsa-edward-snowden-bolivia-austria.html

It is being reported in the European Press, such as the articles quoted in the threads about the Vienna part of the affair.

[flamingdem]

52. This has been debunked

see post below yours nt

[Democracyinkind]

54. In the versions I saw, talk is of an attempt, not that it actually toolk place. nt

[flamingdem]

57. If you haven't figured it out by now Morales is using the confusion to push his own agenda

Nothing wrong with that but it's being done with a lot of false statements and exaggeration to whip up emotion. Seems like he has to get the pueblo behind him for a new constitution and to get other countries to turn on the USA. Understandable but still done in an opportunistic manner.

I think we'll see other SA countries doing the moonwalk away from this episode when things calm down.

[Democracyinkind]

66. As IMO your debunking of this and the

issue about the call of the ambassador has failed, I'll withhold my judgment.

[randome]

70. But...someone tweeted something about the CIA so...

Sounds like Morales is as much at 'war' with Europe as with the U.S.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font]
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[Major Hogwash]

147. So, Emo Morales was lying??

I thought so.

[flamingdem]

48. This disinformation?

False claim:

The President said that Spain's Ambassador in Austria, Alberto Carnero, had visited him at Vienna's airport in the morning and that the two of them had taken coffee together on the plane, Spanish media outlets reported on Wednesday.

They then set up the arrangements which will see Morales about to fly over Spanish airspace and make a technical stop in the Canary Islands, an event now taking place.

This version of events was, however, disputed by Spanish diplomatic sources.

These sources said the Spanish ambassador had mediated with Morales "all night" to persuade him to allow the Austrian authorities the examine the plane at the behest of the US, according to Spanish national daily El País.

"Bolivia has again requested overflight and a stopover and we granted it at 9.30am this morning," or 0730 GMT, a spokesman for the Spanish foreign ministry said.

http://www.thelocal.es/20130703/spain-opens-airspace-to-bolivia-in-snowden-saga

[magellan]

64. Is this part disinformation?

Or is it part of what you accept as true, since it appears to come from Spanish diplomatic sources?

These sources said the Spanish ambassador had mediated with Morales "all night" to persuade him to allow the Austrian authorities the examine the plane at the behest of the US, according to Spanish national daily El País.

[flamingdem]

68. Reporters and the Bolivians were saying at the time they were waiting until 9am

to contact the Spanish.

That was something being updated on twitter and elsewhere

Try finding one decent eyewitness or even Bolivian official report of the Spanish ambassador being there much less persuading Morales of anything, especially on Austrian soil! Lunacy

[magellan]

72. I hadn't seen anything about the Spanish ambassador physically being there

...until you posted that excerpt. My understanding of the articles I've read about this incident is that they (Bolivian and Austrian officials) were in contact with Spain, but that it was through diplomatic channels, not actual presence at the airport.

So I'm in no dispute with you on this.

[Mojorabbit]

156. My impression is that there is a Spanish embassy in Austria

President Morales is pictured sitting with the President of Austria, there are a ton of reporters everywhere. I doubt he would lie with all those witnesses around or without them.

[flamingdem]

157. Where do you have him saying it? That is where the lie is

if you don't have a solid source

[Mojorabbit]

158. I don't understand what you are asking?

You seemed to think that he was not telling the truth about the Spanish ambassador and I was attempting to show you the setting. There are tons of photos of a bunch of journalists surrounding them. The night all happened there were just about minute by minute updates from them.

[Cleita]

29. I think we are witnessing history.

This incident is going to change how South America deals with the USA and I don't believe we are going to like it. He's going to throw the American diplomats out and the surrounding nations will support him so we won't be able to crush him under our embargoes and other tactics like we have done in the past. He's talking about the end of American Imperialism in the continent in so many words.

Now he's praising Venezuela Madura and Chavez.

[Luminous Animal]

38. I agree.

[Catherina]

46. I think so too. It was already building up. This really tipped the scales n/t

[Catherina]

32. Newspaper tweet: European Minister told Maduro that CIA gave order to stop Morales' plane

Presidente Maduro:un ministro europeo me dijo que la CIA dió la orden contra el plan de vuelo del avión de Evo


Hey my (Catherina's) friends, we're paying a TRILLION dollars a year for an intelligence monster that brings down a President's plane with such shoddy *facts*. And even IF Snowden was on that plane, they had NO right. And no right to do a damn thing about it.

[Cali_Democrat]

35. That's so bogus

The CIA is an intelligence agency. They don't give those kinds or orders.

[dkf]

49. Oh shit.

[Catherina]

55. Here's the tweet

Ciudad CCS ?@CiudadCCS 1h

Presidente Maduro:un ministro europeo me dijo que la CIA dió la orden contra el plan de vuelo del avión de Evo Morales

https://twitter.com/CiudadCCS/status/352914418155270145

A European Minister told me that the CIA gave the order against (that interfered with) the flight plan of Evo Morales


People are already talking about it:

YaniR. ?@Jagnets 1h

OMG! PRES.MADURO JUST CONFIRMED ON TV THAT THE CIA GAVE ORDER TO EUROPE TO NOT ALLOW PRES.MORALES TO LAND TO REFILL PRESIDENTIAL PLANE!!!!

https://twitter.com/Jagnets/status/352915152242343938

[flamingdem]

81. Without a name it is pretty meaningless

Why can't he give a hint at least. He could identify the country

[Mojorabbit]

130. I disagree. nt

[flamingdem]

87. It states the order was sent to control towers, so that will be recorded and can be proven

Plus doesn't fit the narrative that Portugal was discussing refueling issues with the Bolivian crew for 2 days.

Plus doesn't explain why Austria didn't have any problems with the Bolivian plane an Spain offered refueling and repeated that offer the following day.

[Catherina]

152. Maduro: According to a European Minister, the CIA gave the orders

At a rally before the meeting, Maduro claimed that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had ordered France, Portugal, Italy and Spain to deny access to Morales's plane on Tuesday.

"A minister of one of these European governments personally told us by telephone that they were going to apologize because they were surprised, and that those who gave the order to aviation authorities in this country ... were the CIA," he said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/17876985/bolivias-leader-threatens-to-close-us-embassy/

[Catherina]

56. Maduro: the CIA has more control and power over Europe than their own governments

MISION 7 DE OCTUBRE ?@SEVENOCTUBRE 6m

Presidente Maduro: CIA tiene más control y poder en Europa que sus propios gobiernos (+Audio) http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/article/presidente-maduro-cia-tiene-m%C3%A1s-control-y-poder-en-europa-que-sus-propios-gobiernos-audio …

https://twitter.com/SEVENOCTUBRE/status/352933606970241026

[Catherina]

37. Argentine President Kirchner to speak next... soon n/t

[Cleita]

39. Music at the end brought tears to my eyes.

I grew up listening to Andean music from Bolivia. The only radio station we got played that style of music all day. Weird I would be listening to patriotic music from Bolivia on our fourth of July.

[Catherina]

42. History of captured tweets from link Luminous Animal gave (thanks)

Read from bottom up


Classified ?@jaraparilla 4m

Now some music before Argentine President Kirchner speaks... #Bolivia #Morales
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QUE VIVA #Morales!
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Kirchner now approaching the stage. #Bolivia UNASUR live: http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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#Morales notes that boarding a President's plane is only legally OK during a war and says social groups will help prevent another coup.
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#Morales thanks other leaders for support: "they called me regularly".
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#Morales says Argentine President has just arrived (applause). She will speak in 10 minutes I think.
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#Morales says UNASUR is going to seriously discuss the issue of sovereignty. To help liberate not just Latin America but Europe too!
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#Morales says he cannot understand how Euro governments are so submissive to USA.
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Malcolm Fraser Malcolm Fraser ?@MalcolmFraser12 16m

Forcing down Evo Morales's plane was an act of air piracy | John Pilger http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/04/forcing-down-morales-plane-air-piracy … via @guardian Read
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#Morales says "we are better off socially and economically without the USA." Compares treatment from China and Russia.
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#Morales says "we do not need a US Embassy in #Bolivia!" (huge cheers)
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#Morales says as long as people stay united and ready to mobilise when needed, they can stand up to US Imperialism.
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#Morales recalls previous US coups. Recalls US Ambassador saying "Dont vote for Evo or there will be no investment." In fact, more invest.
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#Correa notes timing of note from US Embassy in Bolivia requesting extradition of #Snowden.
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#Morales "we will never submit to these smears and attempts at blackmail." Thanks Correa for support.
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#Morales demanded to speak to the President, not the Vice Chancellor of Spain. Was told they needed to speak to their "friends". LOL
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#Morales told Spanish Ambassador only a delinquent needs to be supervised and "I am not delinquent!"
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#Morales says Spanish Ambassador arrived by surprise in Austria, said he had to check out the plane.
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#Morales thanks Russia for respect and being prepared to trade, invest, etc. Notes how Bolivia's financial situation has changed.
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#Morales thanks UNASUR leaders and others gathered in support, not just in Bolivia but all over the world.
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"El desafío es cambiar ese orden mundial inmoral" @MashiRafael EN VIVO por http://www.cancilleria.gob.ec/
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"Todo nuestro respaldo a nuestra querida #Bolivia, lo que es con Bolivia es con todos los compatriotas" @MashiRafael
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Crowd now on thier feet, waving flags and chanting as Evo #Morales takes the stage at UNASUR: http://cancilleria.gob.ec Live now.
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#Correa says Bolivia is leading the struggle for a better world, along with other Sth American nations. Urges everyone to keep supporting.
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#Correa says the world order is not just, it is based on force, and the big challenge of 21st Century is to change this immoral situation.
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#Correa says UNASUR must respond: either we graduate as colonies or we finally become free and soverign nations etc. (big cheers)
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#Correa says USA is destroying international law. We support Bolivia's demands for apologies and explanations.
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#Correa now talking of #Snowden, says asylum is a human right. Says USA calls it hostile but still denies extradition requests from Ecuador.
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#Correa says double standards from USA still apply to treatment of Sth America. Calls USA "experts in destroying truth".
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#Correa notes that blacks in USA did not get vote for another 100 years. Sends respects to the people of USA on 4th July.
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#Correa notes that a Civil War was required to rid USA of slavery. Compares with current struggle in Sth America against neo-Colonialism.
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#Correa notes that the man who created this beautiful words had 200 slaves. Hundreds of years later, USA still holds these attitudes.
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#Correa says all men are created equal, etc. Quoting Dec. of Human Rights. "What beautiful words! Created by an extraordinary Nth American."
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#Correa says we need to put human needs ahead of responsible development.
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#Correa notes how Brasil has also advanced in last 10 years. "Excuse me if I also use the example of Ecuador..."
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#Correa notes Argentine President on the way, Brasil and Uruguay also represented. Notes how Bolivia has developed in recent years.
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#Correa greeting people in native Quechua language. Big cheers.
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President #Correa of Ecuador now speaking live in Bolivia: http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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#Maduro "let nobody doubt that there is a power with their eyes on our countries, on our petrol, on our land, etc"
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Birgitta Jónsdóttir official blog: Will #Snowden get #Icelandic Citizenship any time so... http://joyb.blogspot.com/2013/07/will-snowden-get-icelandic-citizenship.html?spref=tw …
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#Maduro says we are stuggling for a new model that is anti-Imperialist and truly Democratic.
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OMG I am saying Delgado! LOL it is of course Maduro! #whoops
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Delgado says we need to reflect on the future of our democracies. Live now from Bolivia: http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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Delgado says #Snowden revealed US Imperialism to the world. Young people like him are tired of this situation.
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Delgado says this is an abuse of process and an abuse of the product of people's labour.
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IE more power.
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Delgado talks about "the indignity of the pueblos" in Sth America. "CIA out! They have power in Europe than the actual govts!"
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@jaraparilla Wow - you don't have to understand Spanish to get the anger here!
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Delgado: What they did to Evo, they did to all of us, to all of South America.
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Delgado talking about #Snowden's great achievement. Now describing what happened to Evo #Morales.
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It would be pretty cool if they brought #Snowden out on stage right now. #JustSaying
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@zorzalcriollo http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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Nicolas Maduro, President of #Venezuela, now speaking live at UNASUR meeting in #Bolivia: http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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"Chaves vive, la lucha sigue" = Chavez lives, the stuggle continues. #Bolivia
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There is a common theme of "discrimination" in these speeches from #Bolivia. It's not just politics. Generations of US Imperialism blamed.
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Head of the petrol workers union now speaking in Bolivia. This is evidently going to go for a while... Huge turnout. http://cancilleria.gob.ec
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This is a huge gathering of Bolivian social organisations showing support with #Morales at UNASUR meeting. http://cancilleria.gob.ec/ LIVE NOW

[flamingdem]

89. Anyone have a link for this? #Morales says Spanish Ambassador arrived by surprise in Austria

?

[Mojorabbit]

132. Here is one

http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/transportation/snowden-france-denies-blocking-bolivian-plane/nYcXK/

[Mojorabbit]

144. Also he was surrounded by press

and was part of the time sitting with the President of Austria if I am reading photo captions correctly. I can't imagine him lying about the incident. I don't think it is in his character and alsoToo many witnesses. JMO

[Catherina]

44. Kirchner says "we are all protagonists in this Latin America." Recalls those who have died for freed

Kirchner says "we are all protagonists in this Latin America." Recalls those who have died for freedom.

[Catherina]

45. Kirchner says there are international agreements in place. That this was a violation

of the most elementary understanding of those agreements



#Kirchner notes hypocrisy of USA demanding respect for law when they abandon it whenever it suits.

"Curious how those who talk to us about human rights committed this violation"

[dkf]

53. Sigh. This is so bad.

[flamingdem]

59. Be sincere. You aren't terribly concerned

are you?

[dkf]

67. It's hitting me in the stomach...sinking feeling.

I feel like I've lost something and maybe it was never truly there to begin with but I used to believe.

I don't know what we stand for anymore, imperialism I guess. Yeah you can laugh all you like. July 4th what a sham and a scam.

[frylock]

75. we know that you don't give a shit

[flamingdem]

78. how's your 4th of July going amigo?

woodchuck on grill

[frylock]

83. the woodchuck isn't near as delicious as that crow you'll soon be enjoying

[flamingdem]

91. half way decent response

[They_Live]

113. Yes.

snappy.

[magellan]

84. smh

Was that comment really necessary? It says a lot about you, flamingdem, and nothing good.

[HiPointDem]

90. i'll give you one thing. it's weird that dfk has suddenly emerged as such a civil libertarian over

the snowden incident.

i don't really trust the sudden conversion.

[flamingdem]

93. Yes, verry interesting thing that

If you're old enough to remember Laugh In

[HiPointDem]

95. and i am.

[Catherina]

62. Bad, stupid, suicidal.

But they are so used to dealing with Latin America with racist arrogance that they thought they'd get away with this. What's one more time?

Fools. Idiots. Confused by blue link propaganda. Latin America has been warning them, especially Spain and the US, for years.

When Spain didn't want to recognize Pres Maduro, he picked up the phone and reminded them how many investments they still have in Venezuela. An apology and recognition followed immediately.

And to the US, this was a message from Evo Morales. No, see my next post

[dkf]

96. Nobody escaped the demands to do our bidding. It's not contempt for Latin America but EVERYONE!

We made the lapdog Europeans subject the Latin Americans to search and possible seizure. Who does this? We are drunk with power. What these fools have done to this country is such a betrayal.

[Catherina]

98. It's so depressing n/t

[Catherina]

50. Kirchner says they've been looted and exploited for over 500 years

She gives ALL her solidarity.

#Kirchner: I've come all the way from the south to present my solidarity&repudiate the violations of themost established of intl conventions

To you, Evo Morales, first they detained you for 13hrs, now they apologize saying it was a technical problem.

#Kirchner notes #Morales is indigenous, recalling dictators of 20th Century, struggles of 19th C and 500 years since Colombus.


The very least the countries involved in the plane episode can do is to APOLOGIZE . She said when we're little we're taught to at least admit our mistakes and apologize.

[Luminous Animal]

60. Year 501: The Conquest Continues by Noam Chomsky

Read it for free online

http://books.zcommunications.org/chomsky/year/year-contents.html

Though published in 1993, it is an important book.

[Catherina]

69. Thank you. Bookmarked to definitely read and also "Open veins of latin America"

A book Hugo Chavez personally gave Obama as important reading, that Obama probably never cracked open.


"Open veins of latin America" http://www.e-reading-lib.com/bookreader.php/149187/Open_Veins_of_Latin_America.pdf











Didn't read it, did you?

[Judi Lynn]

123. He'll never know how badly he needs to read that book.

He couldn't have made any of the mistakes he's made if he only knew the truth about what his country has already done, and why people have been saying, "Yankee, go home" for so many decades, at least when Nixon visited Caracas in 1958, of course!

[center]





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Thank you for posting the photos of that meeting.

[lunasun]

162. +1

[Catherina]

166. More Kirchner: "surviving Washington's 20th-century history of backing repressive regimes in LatAm"

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez said Latin Americans treasured freedom after fighting for their independence from Europe in the 19th century and then surviving Washington's 20th-century history of backing repressive regimes in the Americas.

She then demanded an apology for the plane ordeal.

"I'm asking those who violated the law in calm but serious manner, to take responsibility for the errors made, it's the least they can do," Fernandez said. "To apologize for once in their life, to say they're sorry for what they've done."

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/05/198906520/south-american-leaders-back-morales-in-plane-row

[Catherina]

63. April 2013: Evo Morales responds to John Kerry: Never Again Will We Be Your Backyard

Originally posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110814325 I'm going to retweet this. It's so timely. Maybe people in DC will finally get a clue.


Evo Morales responds to John Kerry: Never Again Will We Be Your Backyard


The leader of Bolivia, Evo Morales, responded to US Secretary of State John Kerry's recent statement, in which he referred to Latin America as the US' 'backyard'


"So you think U.S. government, that we're your backyard? (...) I condemn, repudiate that. We will never again allow Bolivia or Latin America to be your backyard. We have much dignity" he stressed.

Morales was speaking at a public event, before leaving for Peru to attend the summit of the Union of South American States (UNASUR) to discuss the situation in Venezuela and in which the Bolivian President plans to request a statement repudiating the John Kerry's claims.

Morales said it is "humiliating and offensive" that the U.S. denominated Latin America as its backyard, however, and stressed that such claims drive the unity and equality of the countries of Latin America.

He pointed out that the Andean Bolivia is no longer Washington's backyard due to economic independence, nationalization of hydrocarbon resources and the efforts of social movements.

...

Bolivia's government will study the possible departure (expulsion) of the U.S. embassy and its Agency for International Development (USAID) he said.

"Before, the U.S. Embassy in Bolivia used to decide who was to be the commander of the Armed Forces, Police, Government Ministers. The excomandantes of those times had to have an endorsement of the embassy. That is over and they still think we're their backyard, "he said.
...

http://www.contrainjerencia.com/?p=65928

“Así piensan los gobiernos de Estados Unidos, (que) nosotros somos su patio trasero (…) Condenamos, repudiamos y no vamos a permitir que nunca más Bolivia ni Latinoamérica sean el patio trasero del gobierno de EE.UU., tenemos mucha dignidad”, ha recalcado.

Morales ha hecho estas declaraciones durante un acto público, antes de desplazarse de su país rumbo a Perú a fin de asistir a la cumbre de la Unión de Estados Suramericanos (Unasur) que contemplará la situación que vive Venezuela y en la cual el presidente boliviano tiene planeado pedir una declaración de repudio a las afirmaciones de Kerry.

Morales ha afirmado que es “humillante y ofensivo” que Estados Unidos denomine a Latinoamérica como su patio trasero, sin embargo, ha resaltado que tales afirmaciones impulsan la unidad y la igualdad de los países de América Latina.

El jefe de Estado del país andino ha recordado que Bolivia dejó de ser el patio trasero de Washington debido a su independencia económica, la nacionalización de los recursos de hidrocarburo y el esfuerzo de los movimientos sociales.

...

El gobierno de Bolivia estudiará una eventual salida del país de la embajada de Estados Unidos y de su Agencia para el Desarrollo Internacional (Usaid), dijo.

“Antes, la embajada estadounidense en Bolivia decidía quién iba a ser el comandante de las Fuerzas Armadas, la Policía, el ministro de Gobierno. Los excomandantes de aquellos tiempos tenían que tener un aval de la embajada. Eso ha terminado y todavía piensan que somos el patio trasero”, dijo.

...

Edit to add more details:

"We can not accept these offensive statements by the Secretary of State of the United States (...) When you say 'backyard', are we your trash dump? I say it is contempt, a hatred of Latin Americans," the president said in the press conference later and confirmed his "repudiation" of these claims.

According to Morales, "the relationship with the U.S. is desirable" but "not final" in political economics because, he said, Bolivia has economically freed itself of that country.

He stressed that Bolivia is now has "allies" with "power" like China and some European countries, but especially its South American neighbors.

"Who can accept being told you're someone's backyard? We may be ill-fed, ill-clothed, still under development, but despite that we have dignity (...) We simply ask for more respect from the United States towards our people, towards Latin America" said the president.

http://www.noticias24.com/venezuela/noticia/163664/morales-pedira-a-la-unasur-que-repudie-declaraciones-de-kerry-sobre-venezuela/

“No se puede aceptar estas graves declaraciones del secretario de Estado de EE UU (…) Cuando dice ‘patio trasero’, ¿somos su basurero? Yo digo es un desprecio, un odio que nos tienen a los latinoamericanos”, dijo el gobernante en la rueda de prensa posterior y ratificó su “repudio” a estas afirmaciones.

Según Morales, “la relación con Estados Unidos es deseable”, pero “no es definitiva” en las políticas económicas porque, según dijo, Bolivia se ha liberado económicamente de ese país.

Destacó que Bolivia tiene ahora como “aliados” a “potencias” como China y algunos países europeos, pero sobre todo a sus vecinos suramericanos.

“¿Quién puede aceptar que nos digan patio trasero? Podemos estar mal alimentados, mal vestidos, todavía en proceso de desarrollo, pero por encima de eso tenemos la dignidad (…) Sólo pedimos más respeto de Estados Unidos hacia nuestros pueblos, hacia América Latina”, dijo el mandatario.

http://www.noticias24.com/venezuela/noticia/163664/morales-pedira-a-la-unasur-que-repudie-declaraciones-de-kerry-sobre-venezuela/

[xiamiam]

65. THANKS Catherina..you are an amazing being keeping us up to date

CIA. CIA...just let that sink in.. has now decided that they can interfere with the travel of a president of a sovereign country who has done nothing wrong. it just blows me away

[Catherina]

82. I'll look for more on that. It was pretty obvious that this came from the US

So who's running the show here? Our politicians or the CIA?

I'd like to find the context and exact wording.

It sunk in All of this has. And it's not pretty.

Latin America, contrary to popular opinion, does NOT need us. We've caused so many coups there, murdered hundreds of thousands, destabilized countries to make their economies scream. Who needs who here? As Bvar22 astutely pointed out, we are pushing them into the arms of Russia and China with our arrogant colonial attitude.

[kentuck]

86. Catherina does an amazing job!

I always follow her.

[Catherina]

92. Thanks Kentuck!

This is very important to me. I moved to Central America to help the poor however I can, this is part of it. The other big part is providing shelter, relocation, job training, for trafficked women when they escape or are rescued. And some stuff with kids but the policies have to be changed from the US, with awareness, because that's where much of it starts. Thank you so much.

[kentuck]

154. Very admirable.

Thank you.

[silvershadow]

74. Wondering how this will proceed over the next few days....

[flamingdem]

79. If they shutter the US Embassy I'll take this more seriously

Otherwise it seems like something that will pass, other than Evo using this to push the local agenda

[Cleita]

102. And what agenda is that?

From what I can see his agenda is to get to his people the social structure they need to provide better lives for them. For centuries the 1% owned everything and the masses of mostly indigenous people were dirt poor and ignorant, working in dangerous conditions in mines owned by the ultra rich.

[flamingdem]

109. He said it in the speech - mount hugest march in Bolivian history to change constitution

and I really don' t know much about Bolivian politics to know if there is resistance to that, etc.

[starroute]

80. The US obsession with the Middle East has let Latin American get loose

At least, that's what I read a few years back -- probably in something posted here at DU.

From the Monroe Doctrine to Iran-Contra, keeping Latin America docile had been a central obsession of US foreign policy. But starting with the first Gulf War, all the focus turned to the Middle East, and give or take the occasional failed coup, there just hasn't been the old enthusiasm for bringing our southern neighbors to heel.

The Latin nations are very aware of that -- and the Chinese and Russians have also been eager to take advantage of it. It isn't just about power relationships, either. Trade routes and patterns of investment are being reconfigured to take Latin America out of the US orbit. This may just be the point at which we wake up and realize we don't own them any more -- and have no leverage to get them back.

[Catherina]

85. Heck, they're building an alternative to the Panama Canal with Chinese companies

because they're sick of how we strangle trade to our benefit.

What you said Starroute.

[East Coast Pirate]

105. They sure are.

Panama Canal expansion project

The Panama Canal expansion project (also called the Third Set of Locks Project) will double the capacity of the Panama Canal by 2015 by creating a new lane of traffic and allowing more and larger ships to transit.

The project will:

*Build two new locks, one each on the Atlantic and Pacific sides. Each will have three chambers with water-saving basins.
*Excavate new channels to the new locks.
*Widen and deepen existing channels.
*Raise Gatun Lake's maximum operating level.

In 2006, then-Panamanian President Martín Torrijos formally proposed the project on April 24, saying it would transform Panama into a First World country. A national referendum approved the proposal by 76.8 percent of the vote on October 22, and the Cabinet and National Assembly followed suit. The project formally began on September 3, 2007.

The project is expected to create demand for ports to handle post-Panamax ships. As of November 2012, the U.S. Eastern Seaboard ports of Baltimore, Maryland; Norfolk, Virginia; and Miami, Florida, will be ready for these larger ships, although other ports are considering renovations, including dredging, blasting, and bridge-raising. In the UK, the Port of Southampton can handle post-Panamax vessels and is expanding to accommodate more, while the port of Liverpool and other are considering such expansion.

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_expansion_project

[flamingdem]

107. We'll all be gone when Latin America is under China's thumb

That does seem to be the way it goes historically, starting with the Spanish

[Catherina]

100. So far nothing in the English news except on RT "‘We don’t need US Embassy in Bolivia’..."

‘We don’t need US Embassy in Bolivia’: Morales, UNASUR slam ‘imperial’ skyjack

Published time: July 04, 2013 23:38
Edited time: July 05, 2013 00:15


(L-R) Bolivia's Vice-President Alvaro Garcia Linera, Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro, Bolivia's President Evo Morales (L) and Ecuador's President Rafael Correa listen to the Bolivian national anthem during a welcoming gathering in honour of Morales, in Cochabamba, on July 4, 2013 (AFP Photo / Jorge Bernal)

Tensions flare at the UNASUR summit in Bolivia, with the country’s president Evo Morales saying that his “hand would not shake” if and when he “closes the US Embassy,” following the forced stop of presidential plane in Austria.

The President has also expressed appreciation for the support he has received so far from Latin American countries.

"Apologies from a country that did not let us pass over its territory are not enough," Morales said before talks in the central city of Cochabamba. "Some governments apologized, saying it was an error, but this was not an error."

Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa pointed out, “We are here to support Bolivia.”

Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro stressed, "Violation of international law against Evo Morales is against all of us.”

Cristina Fernandez, who came to Bolivia a bit later than her counterparts, indicated, “It is curious that those who speak of human rights committed this violation.”

...

http://rt.com/news/unasur-bolivia-condemn-skyjack-677/

Jose Mujica of Uruguay and Desi Bouterse of Suriname are also attending the summit.

[Turbineguy]

106. I don't care what language anybody speaks

as long as somebody (anybody) tells me they are saying nice things about Snowden and bad things about the U.S.

(There was a time when this would not have been needed)

[flamingdem]

108. Ha! They were smart enough to stay away from Snowden rhetoric

For one thing none of them wants to give him asylum. Snowden is being used by Evo and other leaders like he was by Greenwald and Assange. And others no doubt.

[PufPuf23]

110. Important thread.

I feel ill over what has occurred regards to Morales and Snowden and the reaction of the "Good -Democratic- Americans" at DU.

Recall the international support back when POTUS received the Nobel Peace prize, look at now (and we know things would be worse with more war and loss of credibility under the GOP) ?

But look at the loss of international credibility regardless.

My intuition is not anti-Obama. POTUS Obama is a small cog / large icon.

The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you wish they do unto you.

But also those who have the gold, make the rules.

Anti-imperialism and neo-liberalism.

[Catherina]

114. Evo Morales speaking again

http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo

giving details of all the conversations he had, with European officials. About them trying to force their way into the plane, insisting. And telling him he could not leave until he let them go on his plane and inspect it and that none of the countries would give him overfly rights.

They kept telling him they would not authorize air space rights (this must be Spain) without an inspection

It wasn't until 9 in the morning that the Austrian President said he had permission. He thanks the Austrian President for all the assistance he gave him, all the phone calls he made, all the coordination to help him.


This is a much smaller, intimate talk, seated at a table with other UNASUR leaders in a room. There are no crowds.

[Catherina]

118. Kirchner speaking now that this affront is to all of them

because as heads of states, they have the international right to travel unimpeded throughout the world to conduct the business of their people. What happened to President Morales is chilling.

From a humanitarian and legal standpoint, this was a grave offense on the part of Portugal, France, Spain and Italy.

[Catherina]

120. Kirchner now blasting the intelligence services that passed on such false information

Wake up America. We pay a trillion a year and this is the kind of intel they come up with? The kind of incident they cause?

Argentina is in full solidarity with Evo Morales and the Bolivian people.

Those countries are spending so much of their people's money, wasting it on intelligence services/

Decadent colonialism she says.

[Catherina]

121. Jose Mujica: Political terrorism

http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo

President Mujica (Uruguay) says it was Political terrorism....

He made a joke I didn't understand and is now speaking about the intelligence services. He says that all of us, all of Latin America feels the insult. That they expect to be treated with decency.

I couldn't catch all he said.

[Catherina]

124. President Dési Bouterse of Suriname speaking now

(He's speaking in English)

Says someone from Ecuador called him and he dropped everything he was doing to fly to Bolivia for this meeting because the incident is that grave.

Never could he have imagined what took place. It's his honor to stand with his colleagues and friends (names the UNASUR leaders who are present. Peru and rightwing Colombia, Chile are notably absent from this extraordinary session.)

Says he vehemently rejects the inexplicable acts that took place. The people and government of Suriname are 100% behind Evol Morales and with UNASUR on this.

[Catherina]

125. President Correa (Ecuador) speaking now

Last edited Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Gives warm greetings to everyone present. Says that President Dilma Roussef sends her support and apologizes that political events in Brazil prevent her leaving.

For 500 years we were exploited as colonies. The entire world needs to understand the gravity of what happened. The tremendous gravity of stopping a Presidential plane and detaining a head of state.

It's irrelevant whether Snowden was on the plane or not. A president has the right to move without anyone impeding his movements.

(oh Correa is mad)

He's now saying that Snowden has a right to asylum. It's in inter-American human right.

The Spanish Ambassador has a lot of neocolonial nerve to make Morales wait 13 hours for overfly permission.

We're not going to accept that in the 21st century there's first, second and third rate countries

The leaders and authorities in Europe have to take a lesson in history and understand that we're not 500 years behind. This Latin America of the 21st century is independent, dignified and sovereign

http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo

[DisgustipatedinCA]

126. Thanks very much for covering this here. I appreciate it.

As an aside, it's very galling to me that a small handful of people here are playing the role of the ugly thug American, trying to minimize this, making fun of Evo Morales, telling an entire continent to get over it. These people are an embarrassment to Democratic Underground, and beyond.

In any case, thanks for the excellent and ongoing updates.

[Catherina]

140. You're welcome. I have all of them on ignore. It's not not only embarrassing, it's dangerous

Those attitudes are why Americans are so bewildered when we're attacked overseas, or when countries throw us out, or, as is happening now, countries that should be working with us, are choosing to work with Russia and China instead.

Those attitudes are why we have a HUGE blood-sucking MIC, that kills all over the world and sucks our own blood to do so.

Too sad for words to see people bury their heads like that and not understand that our free ride is coming to an end.

[Mojorabbit]

145. Yes and their attempts to manage so many conversations on the board

are maddening. It makes it difficult to discuss any topics on threads they show up in.

[Judi Lynn]

153. I fully believe that is their whole intention. n/t

[Catherina]

127. Morales had every right to give Snowden asylum and put him on his plane (Correa)

with full immunity. (Correa)

We will speak loudly about this matter. This was a violation of International rights granted under the UN, moral rights too, not just against Morales but all of us.

500 years of history (colonial exploitation), starts listing all the gold and silver that (Spain) looted from Latin America. But they haven't learned from their mistakes or recognized the gravity of what they did.

We're not going to accept in the 21st century to be 2nd or 3rd level countries like 500 years ago. We're sovereign

[Catherina]

129. President Maduro (Venezuela) is speaking now

Says he had an intuition something bad was going to happen and had warned Morales before he took off that the US had lost its mind (was acting totally crazy) over Edward Snowden.

We have the right to give asylum to a 29 year old who revealed such a massive surveillance machine to the world. It's his international and human right to have asylum.

Humanity must not forget or abandon him. What Snowden revealed is the "tip of the iceberg".

What would have happened, as President Correa pointed out, if this had happened to a European leader who was flying over Latin America. They would have unleashed their force on us.

In this world in disarray, where's the cooperation... ? They demand respect and apologies so that trust can be re-established

(my dogs are barking! I'm missing so much!)

[Judi Lynn]

138. No doubt about Correa's point. Can't imagine what they would NOT do in Bolivia's shoes! n/t

[Catherina]

131. In this unipolar world some think they're the owners of this world

this world that's in total disarray now, that doesn't embrace diversity, that uses its military to push its weight around in Latin America, to dominate others.

The 11 governments of UNASUR will take a decision to defend our dignity.

[Catherina]

133. Brazil speaking. Total indignation at what happened to President Morales !!!!

totally unacceptable what took place.

grave disrespect to rights and international conventions.


Certain European governments denouncing the massive spying of the US, to the point that it's derailing trade. What was done to Bolivia is threatens to derail our relations (with the countries involved). We DEMAND an explanation and apologies.

The Br govt is in FULL solidarity with Evo Morales.

This must never happen again.

signed Dilma Roussef, President of Brazil.

[Judi Lynn]

139. Thanks for Brazil's comments. n/t

[Catherina]

142. Brazil's statement was amazing! I'm going to look for them.

None of my posts carried the full weight of what people said.

[Judi Lynn]

149. We are lucky you got as much as you did for us. Amazing.

I just listened to the song they used to close the event. So poignant.

That "Chavez no se va" idea never sounded this way before now. It has gained meaning!

Thank you.

[woo me with science]

148. Wow!

They are lining up to denounce what happened. More than that, they are demanding answers.

This is huge.

Catherina, thank you again so much for following so closely and bringing this here. You are a DU treasure.

[Catherina]

134. Colombia statement expressing indignation over this and giving its solidarity to Bolivia

OMG, that was a surprise.

Full solidarity and demand an explication.

Signed in Bogota Colombia

[Catherina]

135. The govt of Chile statement being read. Fully reject what happened

sorry I missed it. Lost my train of thought. It was solidarity.

[Catherina]

136. Peru Pres Humala message. Full rejection fraternal solidarity against this insolent inadmissible act

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Could not come due to visit from World bank but is in solidarity and will come to Bolivia within the next few days to express his solidarity in person.

[Catherina]

137. (Nicaragua?) now wrapping up for all

We denounce this flagrant violation, this illicit hostile insolent act that impeded the movement of a head of state on official business.

There is no transparency on the politics behind this.

Full denunciation of this offensive act, an act offensive to all of Latin America.

We are convinced that we must build the Patria Grande for independence of our peoples at an accelerated pace.

Heads of states of UNASUR....

1. we declare that these inadmissible limitations on the movements of Morales are an offense to all of Latin America. they endangered President Morales.

2. violation of international rights of heads of state

3. demand that France, Spain, Italy, Portugal explain the reasons they took such a decisions airspace

4. demand PUBLIC APOLOGIES from the governments of France, Portugal, Spain and Italy for these grave offenses

5. to the UN we demand condemnation of the grave violation and disregard for the safety of President Morales. To courts

6. we charge our FMs to take appropriate actions to deal with this

7. We extort all heads of states to press this at the UN. (???)


Sorry, this is really hard for me to do

[Catherina]

141. The transmission ended with this (Chavez Will Live On In The People, Chavez Will Never Die)

[Judi Lynn]

143. My god, don't know how you did all that so quickly, so well. All those countries!

What a shock even Colombia, and the former Pinochet supporter in Chile. Unbelievable.

Thank you, so much.

It sounds as if every S.A. country came and spoke, and some Central American ones too, like Nicaragua, too. Wow.

[woo me with science]

150. K&R

This is big.

[Catherina]

155. Extradition papers for Snowden were also delivered to Venezuela

Maduro said this on TV.

Total fucking buffoons. The extradition treaties with Bolivia and Venezuela in NO way cover the US charges against Edward Snowden.

[Drew Richards]

164. Catherina i just wanted to thank you again. I got so tired of refuting these as***** that i stopped

Posting...this proof of solidarity of the facts, demonstrated by all of these heads of state coming together is more fu@@@ proof than any of these punks can handle using government talking points... It just shows how in bed with the other side they really are..they are not democrats to me and unworthy of being listened to on DU.

You will know them by their words and their deeds.

Drew.

[Catherina]

165. Put them on ignore. They are not worth your time or your energy

Their main goal is to disrupt threads and antagonize people who won't slavishly worship. I would not be able to do what I do if I paid them any attention.

I literally have hundreds of people on my ignore list. They simply don't exist and my world is a better place for it.

When someone is continually or persistently trying to waste your time, they don't deserve it.

And the stupid ones? That should go without saying.

You will know them by their words and their deeds.

[roamer65]

163. Could be the final stake into the heart of the Monroe Doctrine.

South America may very well fall outside our "sphere of influence" after this incident.

[East Coast Pirate]

167. Latin American leaders, on first-name basis, unite against critics

BOGOTA, Colombia –Bolivian President Evo Morales was stuck in Vienna, his plane diverted from its path home by officials who believed that American fugitive Edward Snowden was hiding aboard. Fortunately, Morales could count on his friends.

First, Rafa phoned Cristina late Tuesday during the crisis. That’s Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, calling his Argentine counterpart, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. “Rafa, how are you?” she recounted on her Twitter account. “He answered angry and anguished. ‘Don’t you know what’s happened?’”

“Cristina,” Correa explained, “Evo’s plane has been detained, and they won’t let him leave Europe.”

She was outraged, she told her Twitter followers, and so was Pepe. Soon Ollanta was working to convene a continent-wide meeting of leaders and making sure the influential ones, including Nicolás and Dilma, were there.

On Thursday, some of these leaders —Peruvian President Ollanta Humala, Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, José“Pepe” Mujica of Uruguay, along with Correa and others —rushed to an emergency summit in Cochabamba, Bolivia, to express fury about Morales’s treatment.

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/united-against-world-in-latin-america/2013/07/04/dc38c59e-e4f4-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html