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Excessive partisanship warps brains. (Original Post) cali Jul 2013 OP
Theoretically, parties exist to serve their voters MNBrewer Jul 2013 #1
Seems like they're trying to drive away their voters. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #14
How do you figure that? treestar Jul 2013 #19
You just proved what I said. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #21
What you just said is not proved until treestar Jul 2013 #24
Well said, treestar. n/t pampango Jul 2013 #23
I stand with it when it serves me and apart from it when it does not MNBrewer Jul 2013 #30
Independent of Imperialism carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #2
I'm inclined to think there's a feedback loop there. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #3
Thomas Jefferson Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #4
Great quote. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #18
It's a great quote from a founder of the democratic party Progressive dog Jul 2013 #29
Excessive "anything" can be detrimental Lisa D Jul 2013 #5
Ain't that the truth! Rex Jul 2013 #6
Really? ProSense Jul 2013 #7
do you think I'm talking about you? cali Jul 2013 #10
Oh, ProSense Jul 2013 #11
Absolutely true. kentuck Jul 2013 #8
Cali 2016! She's dreamy! leftstreet Jul 2013 #9
Yeppers! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #12
Thinking that republicans have many right answers may be a sign of a previously warped brain. pampango Jul 2013 #13
Thats why they formed the DLC, or the New Democrat Coalition and the Third Way. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #16
It did lessen "excessive partisanship" through triangulation. pampango Jul 2013 #22
I suspect most here are Democrats. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #15
Ironic post (per the poster) of the week. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #17
Exactly and it's groupthink for total negativity treestar Jul 2013 #20
And what do you call those who abandon their beliefs strictly based on who's in the Whitehouse? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #32
An analysis based on established facts gets us further than imagining facts to support an analysis struggle4progress Jul 2013 #25
"An analysis based on established facts ..." = liberal/Democratic policy-making. pampango Jul 2013 #27
Well played, Cali! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #26
So does hair-on-fire perpetual outrage...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #28
I have no problem with partisanship, per se. longship Jul 2013 #31

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
1. Theoretically, parties exist to serve their voters
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jul 2013

not the other way around. But you would never know that by reading much of DU.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
14. Seems like they're trying to drive away their voters.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jul 2013

People have concerns they want addressed, and are mocked and ridiculed for trying to bring up certain subjects.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. How do you figure that?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jul 2013

parties exist to make political alliances - each and every person cannot have their way, so people band together to get an approximation of what they want by nominating candidates who win. Anyone can be part of that. One can't stand aside from the party while it "serves" you. If you stay out, you won't affect that party much.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. What you just said is not proved until
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jul 2013

The Democratic party has few or no members and some other party has more members than the Democratic Party has.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
3. I'm inclined to think there's a feedback loop there.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jul 2013

Partisanship enables group membership. Being in the in-group activates our reward circuit. One of the properties of group dynamics is how we tighten ties to our group by "othering" outsiders, thus making group membership more valuable.

And on and on it goes.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
4. Thomas Jefferson
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jul 2013
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
29. It's a great quote from a founder of the democratic party
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jul 2013

who groomed Madison and Monroe to follow him. Even he found out that he needed allies to actually accomplish stuff.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
5. Excessive "anything" can be detrimental
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

Excessive love, hate, food, drugs, alcohol, television, napping, DU posting. The list can go on forever.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Ain't that the truth!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

It is the reason why some here always have to blow smoke up our asses 24/7. Their own denial is more important then everyone else's reality.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Thinking that republicans have many right answers may be a sign of a previously warped brain.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jul 2013

Granted that republicans may occasionally be "right" (though always for the wrong reason), a certain amount of partisanship is good for the brain.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
16. Thats why they formed the DLC, or the New Democrat Coalition and the Third Way.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jul 2013

Because Republicans have such fantastical ideas. So, they adopted them and called it triangulation.

I call it a disgrace.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. It did lessen "excessive partisanship" through triangulation.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

I not sure that is where the OP is going with the warning about "excessive partisanship" but triangulation is sure one way of dealing with it.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
15. I suspect most here are Democrats.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jul 2013

Per their self-identified membership they are, by definition, partisans.

However, the strongest allegiance to groupthink here is among the Purity Patrol. There is virtually no divergence of opinion. Those who've not signed on to the Perfect Progressive Platform are the least "partisan" - presuming that you mean committed to rigid principles.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. Exactly and it's groupthink for total negativity
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jul 2013

I criticized, therefore I am right! No questioning of the validity of criticism is allowed.

Everyone elected freely is corrupt, not to be believed.

We have no solutions for this. We may find an occasional hero who will do what we want in lockstep, never a person in office or who could get the office of President (the one through which we get all we want).

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
32. And what do you call those who abandon their beliefs strictly based on who's in the Whitehouse?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013

I'm talking about posters who totally flip flop on an issue just b/c our guy is doing it? We can go into the DU archives and verify that they held a totally contradictory opinion as recently as the last administration?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
27. "An analysis based on established facts ..." = liberal/Democratic policy-making.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013

"... imagining facts to support an analysis" is the epitome of the republican tactic of choosing a policy they want and "imagining facts to support analysis" that supports that policy choice.

Thanks for the post, struggle4progress. Bookmarked.

longship

(40,416 posts)
31. I have no problem with partisanship, per se.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jul 2013

I have a huge problem with ideologies which calcify in the mind and allow no rational arguments or disagreements.

The Republican Party is just such an animal. Extremist and religious ideology has taken over a major political party in the USA and this is the result.

A gay legislator in PA is shut up because God declares it.

The multiple bills in state legislatures harming women's health care.

Attempts to impede minorities from voting.

And. And. And. And. And.

The religious right owns the Republican Party infrastructure. Their agenda is now the Republican agenda because to disagree with it is to disagree with GOD! That's much of the reason why no compromise, and all the filibusters and all the party line votes.

Christopher Hitchens said, religion poisons everything. And certainly it is poisoning this nation's politics.

Wake up sheeple!!

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