Perception is reality. At least in politics. Most SA nations

[cali]

are furious over whatever it was that happened regarding President Morales plane. Grounded, not grounded, U.S. involvement, non-involvement, France refused to allow it to enter French air space, didn't refuse, etc, etc. It doesn't matter, and that renders all the threads and passionate arguments over what transpired, irrelevant.

South American countries are pissed. They're pissed both at European countries and the United States.

South American nations to hold summit over grounding of Bolivian president Evo Morales' plane, as France apologises

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/south-american-nations-to-hold-summit-over-grounding-of-bolivian-president-evo-morales-plane-as-france-apologises-8687444.html

South America furious after Snowden suspicions divert presidential jet

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3807168.ece

[Warren Stupidity]

1. It is pretty damn obvious that Morales was humiliated, a head of state treated like a criminal.

It is also rather obvious, unless one insists on wearing partisan blinders, that somebody in some spook agency decided that Snowden was on that plane and that consequently some governments acted to block passage of the plane, forcing it to land in a US-friendly country where an attempt was made to search that plane for Snowden. All of which was in violation of assorted treaties on the status of heads of state in transit.

The idiocy over the details is a bizarre read-guard effort to obscure something that quite obviously just happened.

[cali]

2. yes, that is obvious, but those insisting

that nothing was done to humiliate Morales and that he's lying, blah, blah, blah, will have a hard time denying that many South American countries are angered by the incident.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. They will just laugh at the funny foreigners.

This issue has gone right off the deep end. The partisan camp has taken a plunge into denial from which they cannot return. Consequently there is no information we can provide, no data, no logical arguments, that will recover them, get them to see that they might have made a bit of a mistake.

[sabrina 1]

3. This isn't the first time the old Colonial Allies, Britain, The US, Spain and France have colluded

against some Latin American leader. Just a year or so ago, they announced they would 'invade the Ecuadoran Embassy' to remove Julianne Assange. And just like this time, we had people here cheering them on, not realizing what could have resulted from such a breach of diplomatic relations.

They had to be reigned in and reminded that Ecuador is a sovereign nation.

And the world knows how the old Colonialists feel about their former colonies have established their Independence, especially Latin America over the past decade. They hate those 'leftie' Governments down there.

The US and its allies like Right Wing Dictatorships. They do not like anything slightly to the left of Pinochet.

To our government the biggest threat to them is not 'terrorists' it is the 'left'. And their nightmare has been that Latin American is now independent of their control with democratically elected leaders, lik Evo Morales.

[ljm2002]

5. Exactly right...

...not that it will change anyone's viewpoint on the Morales affair.