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Why hasn't NSA spying busted offshore $ transfers? Voting machine tampering? (Original Post) elehhhhna Jul 2013 OP
vedddy good question northoftheborder Jul 2013 #1
The answer is JimDandy Jul 2013 #8
Why would they bust mikeypooh Jul 2013 #2
I like the cut of your jib Fumesucker Jul 2013 #5
Exactly. Why would the NSA spy on their own? think Jul 2013 #12
Remember the airline stocks getting dumped right before 9/11? nt bemildred Jul 2013 #3
Yes, I remember that. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #6
I always wondered how they'd collect on those think Jul 2013 #14
Chickened out. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #15
yeah so they were never id'd lol elehhhhna Jul 2013 #16
No because it didn't happen Progressive dog Jul 2013 #20
Ah, a successful coverup too. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #21
Of course it was a cover up, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #22
And conspiracies fall apart without coverups. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #23
They're too busy protecting us from ourselves by spying on us. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #4
+1 silvershadow Jul 2013 #28
Because our government already knows about or doesn't care about those things? djean111 Jul 2013 #7
GOOD ONE!!!!! FirstLight Jul 2013 #9
I don't think they care. I suspect they genuinely think it isn't their job. nt. sibelian Jul 2013 #10
You don't bite the hand that feeds you! n/t magellan Jul 2013 #11
Why didn't NSA catch Boston bombers.... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #13
+ + + byeya Jul 2013 #18
I think it's more likely that the NSA is not rifling through metadata... randome Jul 2013 #27
So you admit NSA can't prevent a terrorist attack? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #29
The NSA does a lot more than attempt to track terrorists. randome Jul 2013 #35
I'm pretty sure it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this one out. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #17
IOW,why hasn't NSA spying done anything useful? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #19
then they would have to bust Cheney, the Koch bros, and all the other wall street crooks... Sancho Jul 2013 #24
Better question: Do you think they should? Pholus Jul 2013 #25
because they don't work for WE THE PEOPLE Skittles Jul 2013 #26
those are the real questions. Chaco Dundee Jul 2013 #30
Too bad questions can't go viral. snagglepuss Jul 2013 #31
speaking of voting machine tampering questionseverything Jul 2013 #32
That is a groundbreaking link. Have you posted it separately? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #33
no i have not questionseverything Jul 2013 #34
Welcome to DU!! And please post the link and a 4 paragraphs from the piece, if you can. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #36
Simple answer, those are things that benefit their paymasters. Rex Jul 2013 #37
 

think

(11,641 posts)
12. Exactly. Why would the NSA spy on their own?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jul 2013

Unless of course they don't trust them with their share of the cut...

Booz Allen does very well for the Carlyle Group:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2013/06/10/the-carlyle-group-has-made-2-billion-off-of-booz-allen/


Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
6. Yes, I remember that.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jul 2013

I also seem to recall that somebody chickened out & failed to collect on a bunch of short-sells.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
22. Of course it was a cover up,
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jul 2013

it's difficult to maintain conspiracy theories without lots of successful coverups. Conspiracy theories fall apart pretty quickly without evidence, so the theorists have to pretend that there is lots of evidence, the conspirators have just covered it up.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Because our government already knows about or doesn't care about those things?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

It is not like those things would be prosecuted, so why bother having evidence about them. The evidence that the NSA knows and does nothing would be sort of embarrassing, methinks. Well, inconvenient, I don't think the government gives a crap about what we think, really, unless it affects fund-raising, and with corporations able to openly buy politicians, even that is not a compelling thing.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
9. GOOD ONE!!!!!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

I think we have a winner

There are LOTS of questions like that we get to ask now that the cards are on the table. WHY is MY email privvy to the Govt, but they don't investigate themselves? ...well they DO, that has been leaked too...so WHY hasn't the NSA used this info to prosecute the Bankers, et al...?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Why didn't NSA catch Boston bombers....
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

who posted on FB, communicated on cell phones, and who the US was pre-warned of by the Russians?

The answer to that ?, and the ones in the OP is quite simple. The surveillence system wasn't designed to catch terrorists, election thieves, or Wall St criminals. It is designed to spy on potential domestic threats....not dangerous ones like KKK, etc. but ones percieved to be politically embarrassing like Occupy, anti- Monsanto activists, Keystone XL protestors. IOW, the threats to the Corporate State.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. I think it's more likely that the NSA is not rifling through metadata...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jul 2013

...looking for suspicious people. I think it's more likely that the metadata mostly serves as a way to find contacts after an event like the Boston Bombing.

And if the NSA is spying on all those groups you mention, why haven't they been able to shut them down?

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HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. So you admit NSA can't prevent a terrorist attack?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jul 2013

That pretty much is its reason for existance. If it can do what its claimed to do, then there is no longer a need for it.

As to your second statement....has Occupy been in the headlines lately?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. The NSA does a lot more than attempt to track terrorists.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jul 2013

Human slavery, international child pornography, organized crime, etc.

As for Occupy, they are free to do whatever they want. Except take over other cities' parks. I think most people were pretty tired of that.

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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
24. then they would have to bust Cheney, the Koch bros, and all the other wall street crooks...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013

US security doesn't matter...only the wealthy!

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
25. Better question: Do you think they should?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jul 2013

Is it okay to allow "mission creep" when pervasive surveillance is justified to keep us safe from terror?

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
30. those are the real questions.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jul 2013

They know about that and lots of other things;those are the very things they protect and hold in the highest regard.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
33. That is a groundbreaking link. Have you posted it separately?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:09 PM
Jul 2013

The tentacles of the octopus are revealed.

Of course, Michael Hastings was murdered.

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