To those who think we need another revolution...

[riqster]

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/to-all-those-fools-who-think-we-need-another-revolution-lets-hit-the-wayback-machine/

Read the list of grievances against King George, and ask yourself if it is really all that bad under Obama.

[JoePhilly]

1. Most of those on DU calling for revolution of one sort or another ...

... are not more ready to actually engage in it than the far right wing tea baggers have been.

Its just more of the same bluster and hyperbole.

[think]

4. One might beg to differ on that

I didn't go to Nicaragua to get in the middle of Ollie's illegal war in 84 to be safe. Occupiers knew what was coming yet they continued.

There are those that give a fuck that much.

[Zorra]

19. +1 nt

[think]

2. what the world needs now is

societal evolution but expecting that is a bit fanciful....

[MineralMan]

3. Those who publicly declare the need for another revolution

are very unlikely to ever participate in such a thing. Their motto is:

"Let's you and him fight!"

That's almost a universal truth.

[Katashi_itto]

7. We don't need to call for a revolution. Liberals simply staying home the next election

would cause an devastating shift.

[MineralMan]

12. That depends on how many stay home, actually.

Since "progressives" and "liberals" have definitions without any clear boundaries, it's hard to say how many will stay home.

If enough stay home, then certainly it would have an effect. Given the political realities of this country, that effect would be that a number of Republicans would be elected and some legislative bodies might change from a Democratic majority to a Republican one. That actually happened in a number of states in 2010, including my own, Minnesota.

The results were not good. The new Republican majority enacted two Minnesota constitutional amendments that were distinctly bad. One would have required photo IDs for future elections. The other would have constitutionalized a ban on same sex marriages.

Fortunately, the voters returned to the polls in 2012 and those two amendments were defeated. Democratic majorities were restored to both legislative houses. Within 6 months, the new legislature passed a marriage equality bill in Minnesota, which was signed by our Governor. It takes effect on August 1.

So, yes, if progressives stay away from the polls there are effects. Republicans gain power and can further erode progressive goals. Frankly, I'm not too fond of that possibility. So, I'm a staunch supporter of Democratic candidates for all offices, and work to get Democratic voters to the polls in numbers that will prevent those effects.

Those who stay home can certainly affect where things go. I suggest they think long and hard about what those effects might be.

[riqster]

18. In Ohio, too,

And it's been devastating, all right.

[brush]

17. Are you advocating that?

You do understand that this will turn over many house and senate seats to the repugs, and possibly the White House.

What's your position.

[cali]

5. oh for pity's sake.

and who is calling for revolution or a coup against Obama as you appear to be implying?

I sure haven't seen that on DU and presumably you posted this nutty stuff here for the benefit of DUers.

Characterizing people who vocalize opposition to policies as shrieking loons is just a sad little attempt to discredit people who don't agree with you.

but good job trying to drive traffic to your blog- something you do all too regularly. Why don't you just post your rants here on DU without the link, hmmm?

[Katashi_itto]

8. Agree!

[leftstreet]

6. Can't we move all the Revolution Threads out of GD??!!!

I just can't take it!!!!

[think]

9. good point

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yup, you got is, calling for revolution

Yup, civil war even...just cause we dare be critical...

Is this newspeak definition of revolution? I missed the memo in the change of language?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

11. Neat. Now show me who is calling for an armed revolution, and we'll be somewhere.

[Zorra]

16. Yep. Our revolution will consist largely of peaceful mass resistance, and persistent, determined

mass non-participation in the profit making systems of the 1%.

We will surround the 1% like the Lakota surrounded Custer at the Little Big Horn. There's 99% of us, and 1% of them. But instead of slaughtering them, we will convince them of the wisdom of yielding to the forces of democracy, and they will have no choice but to accede to our wishes.

Expose the propagandists and propaganda of the 1%.

[mick063]

13. Great

A thread tagged for further review by the NSA.

I am 100% opposed to revolution. The men in long dark robes are very wise.

I hope I covered my ass.

[think]

15. You used the word hope

Sorry. This won't look good in your meta data mesh. Please be more careful in the future patriot 1008490234.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Of course we need another revolution...

Unless you think that the capitalists that own the political system are going to freely give up the representatives that they bought. Unless you think they're going to give up their systemic greed that causes them to try and appropriate every cent the working class has to line their already overfilled pockets.

But revolutions are preceded by what are called pre-revolutionary conditions. The two main ones are the rulers not being able to hold power like they have in the past and the ruled not being able to carry on being ruled like they have in the past. There are other conditions, but these two are primary. And in the USA, we're not there yet. However, thanks to the capitalists, we will be relatively soon.

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. That's the revolutionary propagandist spin, anyway

the facts are, as they say, rather different. The British Parliament expected that the King's American subjects should pay tax in order to defray the expense of defending them (and the debt incurred in the recent Seven Years' War, known as the French and Indian War in America). The taxes levied amounted to a substantially lower rate of taxation than that levied on the King's British subjects. The bit about "appropriations of new lands" and "refusing to licence their migrations"? That's all about the Royal Proclamation of 1763; the Ohio country was declared an Indian reserve, white settlers were barred from the territory. (The Proclamation of 1763 still forms the legal basis for native land rights in Canada.) And there was one more reason for the colonists' ire, that Jefferson was persuaded to cut from the final draught of the Declaration: "he has incited treasonable insurrections in our fellow-subjects, with the allurements of forfeiture & confiscation of our property". That property was slaves. There was a case before the Court of King's Bench, in 1772; Somersett's Case, in which the plaintiff, one Somersett, born a slave in Massachusetts and brought to Britain, had escaped, was recaptured, and made application for a writ of habeas corpus. The judge found that there was nothing in English law to support Somersett being held in the condition of slavery, and ordered his release. The colonists, especially in the South, were somewhat worried about the ramifications this might have. It's a very real and frequently unmentioned reason behind the southern colonies' revolutionary ardour.

[Zorra]

21. pffft. So the Proclamation of 1763 somehow renders invalid all other reasons for wishing

to be free from the control of a distant, corrupt quasi-monarchy?

Is that the new status quo authoritarian propagandist spin about the Declaration of Independence?

I'd wish you a Happy Independence Day, but it appears that this would be inappropriate.

Anyway, I've always found that being a gracious winner is productive to the cause of tolerance, liberty, and progressivism, so here's a respectful version of "God Save The Queen" to cheer you up some while the rest of us are celebrating our independence.

Peace!

[Bluenorthwest]

22. To those who think they see lots of people wanting another revolution I say

what the fuck website have you been reading? I sure don't see such posts. The OP, of course offers no examples, no links just some weird language...

[riqster]

23. The Declaration of Independence is "weird language"?

Maybe we really DO have a literacy crisis in America...