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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRight wing traits that no self respecting liberal seems able to stomach
Fawning allegiance to a "leader" manifested in juvenile terms more suited to a fan club. Bush's swagger was so manly. Reagan started the wood chopping thing. The adoration of their families as if they were royalty.
The reflexive need to defend at the slightest hint of criticism whatever their leader says or does. The steadfast adherence to the principles of IOKIYAR. Upholding St Ronald's Law about speaking ill of party members, no matter what. The Hastert Rule. Etcetera.
Projection
Add to the list. What right wing traits and behaviors do YOU despise?
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)..as I've come to discover lately.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)My statement stands on its own.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)one based on emotion and personal animus rather than fact.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...one based on emotion and personal animus rather than fact.
You're FUN to play with!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And you are "playing" with me like Sarah Palin thought she was playing with Joe Biden.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Such a thing is fun (and very easy) to do when the accusations are weak. As yours are.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Of course, I won't alert on it because then you won't be able to post on this thread anymore. And I'm enjoying this!!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Hmmm, you might have a point there.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...because your interpretation of my initial statement apparently hit a nerve.
Oh, and you're just not using enough smilies, Skippy!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...since you're just imagining stuff now. OK... I'll bite. What is this "massive hypocrisy" you're hallucinating about?
RandiFan1290
(6,235 posts)You are arguing with a Fox "news" employee.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... "authoritarian types" I've started to hear so much about around here.
Around here lately, if your hair is not on fire, you are clearly part of the problem. And any number of folks will be more than happy to explain that to you.
markiv
(1,489 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Cooley Hurd was pointing out a vivid neon billboard. The similarities he is pointing out are incongruous on a Democratic web site.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)It's your duty to do so.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Please, my friend, keep them coming!
RC
(25,592 posts)You know, since the 'good guys' are doing them?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Whatever, check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017129410
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a brief list from that person of their positions and how those positions disprove your assertions about them.
It's easy to make anonymous broad brushed accusations against people.
RC
(25,592 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Which policies in particular. Then I will ask them to respond to you.
RC
(25,592 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)But the question referred to this OP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023161908
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)1. The Appellate courts have always ruled (let me know if you want specific examples) that surveillance regarding national security issues, espionage, terror & sabotage, funded or inspired by foreign entities, etc., are an exception to the fourth amendment. They ruled that the President has broad powers and responsibility in this regard. This exception makes sense, IMHO, because a Constitutional right being used to allow the work of those attempting to destroy Constitutional government in its entirety doesn't make sense.
2. Before 1978, the above mentioned Appellate decisions meant that warrantless wiretapping in natl. sec. situations was legal. FISA, submitted by Ted Kennedy and signed into law by Carter, finally made that illegal and required one go through the FISA process to get warrants for those things.
So, I support a national and rational discussion on what the threats actually are and what is needed to meet them in terms of national security. I support a constitutional amendment to address those threats and to curb national security surveillance to ensure that only the surveillance needed to meet those threats is allowed.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Let's see how that goes.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...but the Authoritarian and Cult worshipping arguments have not been winning here on DU.
I'm not worried in the least about being "discredited" here. I'm been here too long to worry about such rubbish. Your arguments, however, have been roundly discredited. Look at the greatest page, my friend.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Please continue!!!!! And by all means, don't forget the winks and the "you betcha's" at the end!
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)what he is saying.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)You're saying I'm not courageous, nor am I intellectually honest. I've been nothing but.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)the labeling of other DUers as
* Lovers of the Police State
* Mindless Authoritarians / Authoritarian enablers who want to cling to the perfect image of Dear Leader
* Defenders of Stasi tactics
* Goebbels apologists
* McCarthyites
That would suggest that this site has devolved into a disturbing level of intolerance that speaks volumes to the ironic mindset of the accusers.
Perish the thought!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Of course, it is an act of cowardice to throw an accusation out there like that without naming any of the folks you are talking about because then you dont have to worry about those people coming into the thread and giving fact based illustrations of their positions proving you wrong.
When you point that out, these folks fall back on "But if I named any folks, it would be alerted"
Of course, DU3 doesn't work that way. Personal call outs are not necessarily hidden, particularly if they are based on facts and what someone actually said. I think it likely a jury would let that conversation play out and that conversation would ultimately end in the humiliation of the initial accuser.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)There are a number of them here, who unrelentingly attack anyone who merely disagrees with President Obama. They have this peculiar habit of filling their posts with lots of those laughing rolling smilies, which adds nothing to their message and, in fact, makes them look pretty foolish.
I recognize them because I was kind of like that with Bill Clinton, although I didn't have the internet at my disposal during his administration. I argued with anyone who dared to criticize Bill, because even though he had huge flaws, he was the best we had and I wasn't going to let anyone talk shit about him. I've since come to realize that criticism didn't have to mean hatred and he didn't need me to defend him in any case. It's a maturing process, I guess.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)advantages.
Making shit up and using emotive triggers in doing it can create powerful forces.
Rational thought and objective facts are left with fewer weapons.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Like fuel gauge problems?
Credibility: 0
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)But then again perhaps I am overestimating you
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Sounds like something that creeptastic slug would say.
dickthegrouch
(3,174 posts)And we all know how "real" they are.
I despise their hypocrisy in telling us they're oh so "Christian" and bearing false witness on just about anything you can think of. Which is another way of saying exactly what Fumesucker said "willful ignorance".
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)They know what is best and speak for "the country". Or they speak for "Christians". They do not speak for me.
And that they are a bunch of hypocrites!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)war on women
war on science
war on blacks
war on Hispanics
war on minorities
war on gun control
war on teachers
war on public employees
war on majority rule
war on voting rights
war on gays
war on government (like some here)
War on poor
war on infrastructure
war on contraception
war on media
war on taxes
War on unions
War on judiciary
war on regulations
war on atheists
war on reason
war on compromise
war on tolerance
war on truth
war on President Obama and
their war on civility
How's this for openers?
markiv
(1,489 posts)The Link
(757 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)black Americans who are succesful as having been handed their success on a silver platter.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Their belief that they're temporarily inconvenienced millionaires.
Victim-blaming.
Zero empathy.
Faith-based economics. It figures, really. Faith is the result of someone else doing the thinking for you.
Refusal to acknowledge their own religious extremists . . . even accepting them wholeheartedly.
No care of life when it comes out the womb.
War hard-ons.
Their belief that a human's worth entirely rests in his wallet.
Manifest Destiny 2013.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The lack of same for those who don't share the sentiment.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . which is why we're made to feel shamed for demanding more human rights, better wages, more adequate schools, non-crumbling bridges and highways, etc.
Americans got away from monarchies and aristocratic rule; now they've come full circle to become a country dominated by a corporate aristocracy and dynastic political families.
Why not an allegiance to an ideal of FAIRNESS?
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)They lay it on so thick some times it makes me want to
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Intolerance for diversity of opinion.
Demanding that people march in lockstep with their attitudes: "Anyone who doesn't believe ____ is [something bad and odious in the accuser's mind]".
Demanding to know who's a "real" member of the accuser's party and who isn't.
Paranoia-based fear of the government despite the presence of rational explanations.
Well isn't this an interesting post.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)shrilly wage war over any sliver of fact not 100% supportive of authority?
quinnox
(20,600 posts)opportunity force, as has been proven many times on Du, and not only recently either.
Hmm, maybe racism, that is common enough in the right wingers, and false patriotism. They are always acting as if they are super patriotic and use insults like anti-American and so on. That kind of "my country, right or wrong" is not seen really on our side, at least, nothing like it is with the right wingers.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Latching onto half truths and outright lies to feed the need to demonize the target of their anger, however misdirected.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Given the authority is fascist.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)There are extremes on both sides.
pampango
(24,692 posts)The "us vs them" mentality of those on the right does encompass, and flow from, all of the others. It can manifest itself as "Whites and Blacks (or any combination of Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Africans, etc.) are too different to live together and prosper." Or the corollary, "Americans and foreigners are too different to live together and prosper." And the same applies to straights and gays, to men and women, native-born citizens and immigrants, etc.
Freddie
(9,266 posts)I'm sure they're out there but I haven't met many liberal men of the "barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen" persuasion. Rigid adherence to gender roles is a sure sign of authoritarian culture; it's also one of the warning signs of a future spouse abuser.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)As if, all other things being equal, they'll prevail because being a conservative makes them tougher and stonger.
I get that shit all the time when I argue with the conservatives in my life: They're always quick to be angry, confrontational ( usually after you trounce their BS arguments ) and try to give off a "don't tempt me" vibe, which, while not a worded threat to a physical confrontation as such, is used to imply more or less "you never know what I might do....".
BAH!
KT2000
(20,577 posts)got an email from RW neighbor this morning that is all about hatred for Jane Fonda.
Maybe their short term memory is so bad they only have their long term memory to work with.
They seem to pack away every single hatred and resentment as if it was valuable.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Of course FDR was very well loved but that was not because of how they looked.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of adherents on the ideological left.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)In other words, legally sactioned privilege is anathema to a liberal and should be anathema to anyone living in a democracy.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)even though a flatworm could see they've comprehensively lost.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)What you disingenuously describer as "fawning allegiance" is really simply a love of truth. And the only "reflexive need to defend" comes from those defending the lies.
Fact: If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian - then people like Ed Snowden are not your friends.
But Barack Obama could be.
And the willful disregard of facts.
They just don't give a rat's ass if they're pushing a half truth or an outright lie.
If this isn't a RW trait, I don't know what is.
pampango
(24,692 posts)a practice was the domain of conservatives. Live and learn.
I know we smile when conservatives form circular firing squads. I imagine they do the same when we do it.
longship
(40,416 posts)It really pisses me off when they invoke God when they're discussing their warped policies, as if they were blessed and that everybody who disagrees is against God.
think
(11,641 posts)while trampling the very laws it represents
YeahSureRight
(205 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)No matter how hard up they might be now......they like to protect big corporations etc, for the ultra rich.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)is counter to their dearly held beliefs.
Their frequent use of strawmen when they are confronted with indisputable evidence that counters theri dearly held beliefs are one way that they frequently display this deliberate obtuseness.
For example:
Zorra: "Look at this evidence presented by Alan Grayson in this video. It clearly points to the fact that the NSA has been invasively snooping into our private lives. How can you defend this?".
SquirrelChaser: "But there should be no expectation of privacy. Besides, Snowden is a traitor and a coward and has a girlfriend who is a pole dancer, and you are a doody headed paulbot!".